Mouse input lag/ floaty and heavy help/discussion :)

[Everythingblows]

Yeah this issue is no different on console. The problem still shows up and behaves exactly the same way offline.

Sometimes I wonder if like 99% of the people on this site all just have EMI problems.

[Vocaleyes]

"problem" exists with PS2 as well.

Do you mean PlayStation 2 or ps2 port?

[TooManyPixels]

I believe this issue was introduced in Windows 10 1903 or 1909 - so I was hoping if anyone here could wipe their machine and do a clean install of Windows 10 1809 - or 1803 and confirm if the issue still happens - or if it’s gone (and make sure to never connect to the Internet either, in case any updates get installed which ruin the experiment). You’ll probably need to run 1803 for at least a week given the sporadic nature of the issue.

From what I can tell so far, I believe a change in mouse handling logic in Win32kBase.sys in Windows 10 1903 or 1909 is to blame - but that change works fine for the 99% of other Windows users out there, so I’m trying to hunt-down what it is about our machines that triggers it.

If you are able to help out by testing Win10 1803, can you also do a EFI/BIOS factory settings reset too? I want to eliminate unnecessary variables.

[Sambyal]

I believe this issue was introduced in Windows 10 1903 or 1909 - so I was hoping if anyone here could wipe their machine and do a clean install of Windows 10 1809 - or 1803 and confirm if the issue still happens - or if it’s gone (and make sure to never connect to the Internet either, in case any updates get installed which ruin the experiment). You’ll probably need to run 1803 for at least a week given the sporadic nature of the issue.

From what I can tell so far, I believe a change in mouse handling logic in Win32kBase.sys in Windows 10 1903 or 1909 is to blame - but that change works fine for the 99% of other Windows users out there, so I’m trying to hunt-down what it is about our machines that triggers it.

If you are able to help out by testing Win10 1803, can you also do a EFI/BIOS factory settings reset too? I want to eliminate unnecessary variables.

I am from India and i have found the fix after 8 years , its fking windows man and im glad you are also on the right track .

The culprit is windows defender, You have to disable the windows defender, note you just simply cant disable windows defender , I mean even if you disable from multiple methods ( Control panel , Group policy , Registry ) it will still be running as windows kinda force it and make us fool .

Run the cmd via below command and check truly wthether defender still running or stop.

sc query WinDefend

I have found that only fix is the to add the defenderdisable app to the security exclusion and disable real time monitoring and Tamper protection and the run the program to truly disable it. All steps shown in below video .

https://youtu.be/KhzSBwhqX_w?si=JhAsnBxoms_2DlVn

once its done run below command again


sc query WinDefend

state should be changed from "running" to "stop".
and restart your system.

the go to your game and feel the difference .

I want to help community who is thinking its Internet or electrical problem they have no clue windows defender is messing up with steam and steam related games .

IF you have other Antivirus installed make sure Game optimizer kinda options are turned off or try to simple uninstall th AV and follow above steps to disable Defender and try

Hope this helps .

[issawm]

I believe this issue was introduced in Windows 10 1903 or 1909 - so I was hoping if anyone here could wipe their machine and do a clean install of Windows 10 1809 - or 1803 and confirm if the issue still happens - or if it’s gone (and make sure to never connect to the Internet either, in case any updates get installed which ruin the experiment). You’ll probably need to run 1803 for at least a week given the sporadic nature of the issue.

From what I can tell so far, I believe a change in mouse handling logic in Win32kBase.sys in Windows 10 1903 or 1909 is to blame - but that change works fine for the 99% of other Windows users out there, so I’m trying to hunt-down what it is about our machines that triggers it.

If you are able to help out by testing Win10 1803, can you also do a EFI/BIOS factory settings reset too? I want to eliminate unnecessary variables.

I am from India and i have found the fix after 8 years , its fking windows man and im glad you are also on the right track .

The culprit is windows defender, You have to disable the windows defender, note you just simply cant disable windows defender , I mean even if you disable from multiple methods ( Control panel , Group policy , Registry ) it will still be running as windows kinda force it and make us fool .

Run the cmd via below command and check truly wthether defender still running or stop.

sc query WinDefend

I have found that only fix is the to add the defenderdisable app to the security exclusion and disable real time monitoring and Tamper protection and the run the program to truly disable it. All steps shown in below video .



once its done run below command again


sc query WinDefend

state should be changed from "running" to "stop".
and restart your system.

the go to your game and feel the difference .

I want to help community who is thinking its Internet or electrical problem they have no clue windows defender is messing up with steam and steam related games .

IF you have other Antivirus installed make sure Game optimizer kinda options are turned off or try to simple uninstall th AV and follow above steps to disable Defender and try

Hope this helps .

this is NOT just games but also on desktop too and whats weird is this is also happening on 2 of my desktop devices so is this really the issue have you had this same exact issue with different devices.

[TooManyPixels]

The culprit is windows defender

I don't believe this is the case. I'm prepared to believe that it worked for you, but fully disabling Windows Defender does not resolve the problem for me on my hardware.

[oletro]

guys i have been experiencing this problem for years now and I honestly think its the monitor. Went through 2 different computers and my fps drops barely but it feels very bad. im also experiencing a draggy mouse. the reason i believe its the monitor is because run a flat 240 fps and it simply just feels like 144fps/hz ive done so much trying to fix this but i think its just my monitor. i have an ASUS VG259QM 240-280hz. also the main reason is because my brother happens to have the same exact monitor as me and i tried it out on his computer and the fps drops feel bad as well. ive even tried his monitor on my pc still same thing. and also it gets worse at sometimes. i was playing a game running 280 fps flat and it felt like maybe 200fps and it would progressively get worse. i am getting an Alienware 360hz monitor so i will let you guys know if it is or not. and btw ive done pretty much everything possible to fix this even play with monitor settings im just way too lazy to explain. i will keep you guys posted

[issawm]

guys i have been experiencing this problem for years now and I honestly think its the monitor. Went through 2 different computers and my fps drops barely but it feels very bad. im also experiencing a draggy mouse. the reason i believe its the monitor is because run a flat 240 fps and it simply just feels like 144fps/hz ive done so much trying to fix this but i think its just my monitor. i have an ASUS VG259QM 240-280hz. also the main reason is because my brother happens to have the same exact monitor as me and i tried it out on his computer and the fps drops feel bad as well. ive even tried his monitor on my pc still same thing. and also it gets worse at sometimes. i was playing a game running 280 fps flat and it felt like maybe 200fps and it would progressively get worse. i am getting an Alienware 360hz monitor so i will let you guys know if it is or not. and btw ive done pretty much everything possible to fix this even play with monitor settings im just way too lazy to explain. i will keep you guys posted

nah ur explaining a whole different issue u have refresh rate issues this is input as a WHOLE which has no solution whatsoever

[issawm]

I believe this issue was introduced in Windows 10 1903 or 1909 - so I was hoping if anyone here could wipe their machine and do a clean install of Windows 10 1809 - or 1803 and confirm if the issue still happens - or if it’s gone (and make sure to never connect to the Internet either, in case any updates get installed which ruin the experiment). You’ll probably need to run 1803 for at least a week given the sporadic nature of the issue.

From what I can tell so far, I believe a change in mouse handling logic in Win32kBase.sys in Windows 10 1903 or 1909 is to blame - but that change works fine for the 99% of other Windows users out there, so I’m trying to hunt-down what it is about our machines that triggers it.

If you are able to help out by testing Win10 1803, can you also do a EFI/BIOS factory settings reset too? I want to eliminate unnecessary variables.

I am from India and i have found the fix after 8 years , its fking windows man and im glad you are also on the right track .

The culprit is windows defender, You have to disable the windows defender, note you just simply cant disable windows defender , I mean even if you disable from multiple methods ( Control panel , Group policy , Registry ) it will still be running as windows kinda force it and make us fool .

Run the cmd via below command and check truly wthether defender still running or stop.

sc query WinDefend

I have found that only fix is the to add the defenderdisable app to the security exclusion and disable real time monitoring and Tamper protection and the run the program to truly disable it. All steps shown in below video .



once its done run below command again


sc query WinDefend

state should be changed from "running" to "stop".
and restart your system.

the go to your game and feel the difference .

I want to help community who is thinking its Internet or electrical problem they have no clue windows defender is messing up with steam and steam related games .

IF you have other Antivirus installed make sure Game optimizer kinda options are turned off or try to simple uninstall th AV and follow above steps to disable Defender and try

Hope this helps .

this is NOT just games but also on desktop too and whats weird is this is also happening on 2 of my desktop devices so is this really the issue have you had this same exact issue with different devices.

ive had this issue on different devices too yet it feels normal for a few seconds when i unplug and plug the USB back in which is super weird. like its STILL THERE but something is adjusting it which is super weird.

[issawm]

has ANYONE FOUND A FIX YET. it is depressing how the potential is being held back and its super ODD HOW IT WORKS FOR A FEW SECONDS THEN IT DOESNT. IT MEANS THERE IS NO PLACEBO ITS LITERALLY THERE THEN IT ISNT. i want to try linux and see if its a windows service doing this.

It's not windows, I've tried linux and the issue is still there. Also on consoles.

I'm starting to think through process of elimination, that this may be due to USB 3.0 root hub or 3.1 extensible host causing this.

As some of you may know, even when mouse worked properly, it NEVER enjoyed being in the 3.0 ports. 2.0 always felt better.
For me 3.0 used to feel like... well, how it feels now tbh.
I think that even though the top 2 ports of my mobo's are 2.0, they are being handled by the 3.0 driver, which is great for speeds, but I don't think it's doing the job it used to do when 2.0 ports were handled by a 2.0 driver. Also i'm pretty sure that ps4 uses 3.0 ports, so would explain it there too. (ps4 being the console I tested this issue on most)

Problem is on modern systems, there is no 2.0 driver that i can find to test this theory. Which sucks.

If anyone knows of a way to user an alternate driver to handle the 2.0 ports, instead of a 3.0 one, or just a way to have the 2.0 handled by a 2.0 driver and leave the 3.0 and 3.1's on the ones they have now. Please advise.

Also can anyone whose mouse used to work properly please care to comment on the statement that 3.0 ports were always worse than 2.0 in regards to mouse movement consistency.

Also, I did purchase an external USB 2.0's which is plugged into my mobo's usb 2.0 header, but unfortunately those are also handled by the 3.0/3.1 driver, so am unable to achieve correct testing there too.

dang. crazy how i saw someone say on a forum from 2014 say they got a brand new pc and still had the issue. i was dumb to ignore that and buy a new one anyways