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Upgraded to a "flawless sensor" mouse and I love it

PostPosted: 21 Jul 2017, 14:27
by open
Upgraded to the zowie ec1-a as it was on the list of flawless sensor mice I found here http://on-winning.com/flawless-sensor-m ... t-perfect/

Used to use the razor naga for the longest time. If you want the real lowdown the biggest upgrade is the way it glides. Im finding better accuracy with long range micro adjustment shots with my high sensitivity. I'm also liking the form factor I chose as the naga is a palm support form factor with a hump in the back but the ec1-a has the hump in the middle and it has helped me to use more full arm movements than i used to. It may also have less input lag and better tracking. When i have to lift the mouse the transitions are infinitely better. The dpi adjustment is on the bottom where I cant hit it, the polling rate is adjusted when I plug it in, and it requires no bloatware which I really am greatful for.

I cant believe it took me this long to upgrade my mouse. I upgraded my computer and monitor 2 times before I tried this. My last monitor upgrade to 240hz did not even seem to help me in game until I added the mouse. The mouse really helps me take advantage of the new monitors smoothness.

Re: Upgraded to a "flawless sensor" mouse and I love it

PostPosted: 21 Jul 2017, 22:08
by Chief Blur Buster
open wrote:Upgraded to the zowie ec1-a as it was on the list of flawless sensor mice I found here http://on-winning.com/flawless-sensor-m ... t-perfect/

Used to use the razor naga for the longest time. If you want the real lowdown the biggest upgrade is the way it glides. Im finding better accuracy with long range micro adjustment shots with my high sensitivity. I'm also liking the form factor I chose as the naga is a palm support form factor with a hump in the back but the ec1-a has the hump in the middle and it has helped me to use more full arm movements than i used to. It may also have less input lag and better tracking. When i have to lift the mouse the transitions are infinitely better. The dpi adjustment is on the bottom where I cant hit it, the polling rate is adjusted when I plug it in, and it requires no bloatware which I really am greatful for.

I cant believe it took me this long to upgrade my mouse. I upgraded my computer and monitor 2 times before I tried this. My last monitor upgrade to 240hz did not even seem to help me in game until I added the mouse. The mouse really helps me take advantage of the new monitors smoothness.

Fantastic. Yes, the mouse accuracy is indeed extremely important.

We have a Mouse Guide, but it will need to be updated to include sensor accuracy considerations -- that is also super important!

As you've now discovered -- a 1000Hz or 2000Hz mouse is no good for competitive play if the mouse sensor is not accurate enough to keep up accurately.

Re: Upgraded to a "flawless sensor" mouse and I love it

PostPosted: 01 Aug 2017, 14:37
by Chief Blur Buster
I think I need to obtain an Asus ROG Gladius 2000Hz mouse, to test some of my high-Hz displays.

I'm beginning to see limitations of a 1000Hz poll rate. I see more clear beat-frequency artifacts in my mouse arrow pointer already, 240Hz monitor at 1000Hz mouse poll rate = more visible skipped mouse cursor locations when I rapidly move my mouse in a circle on a black background. This is happening with both the old Logitech G9 and the newer Razer Deathadder.

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However, at the 240Hz refresh rate, the 1000Hz mouse pollrate limitations are much bigger than at 120Hz refresh rate (used to create the above image).

I now finally consistently see 1000Hz mouse limitations much more clearly at 240Hz non-strobed non-VRR.

Manufacturers need to release more accurate sensors and more official 2000Hz (not only by mouse overclocking) mice. I'll have to track down a 2000Hz mouse and retest this photograph too. The mouse pollrate needs to remain far above refresh rate, to prevent microstutter from showing up -- and this becomes important as refresh rates gets higher.

Re: Upgraded to a "flawless sensor" mouse and I love it

PostPosted: 01 Aug 2017, 23:02
by RealNC
We don't need polling rates. We need report rates. Doesn't USB 3 support this?

Re: Upgraded to a "flawless sensor" mouse and I love it

PostPosted: 02 Aug 2017, 03:40
by Glide
The ASUS ROG Gladius sends two reports every 1ms rather than one report every 0.5ms like a true 2000Hz mouse would, so it's basically "fake" 2000Hz support. Don't buy one.

I wish these sensor lists were better. There are lots of mice considered to have "flawless" sensors which are not.

I had a Roccat Savu and while the sensor has no acceleration, that mouse's implementation of the sensor would malfunction with fast movement speeds - particularly on lighter coloured mouse pads.

The Razer DeathAdder 2013/Chroma sensor is "flawless" - but only up to 1550 CPI. Above that you get significant amounts of smoothing. (32 frames or more, if I recall correctly)

I'm not saying that they are the only truly "flawless" mice, but Logitech's recent mice have flawless tracking up to 12,000 CPI with only 2 frames of smoothing and high malfunction speeds.

As I understand it, all new sensors have a minimum of 2 frames smoothing, but it doesn't matter when the highest polling rate used is 1000Hz as 2 frames is a fraction of a millisecond.

RealNC wrote:We don't need polling rates. We need report rates. Doesn't USB 3 support this?

I believe it does, and I would love to see mice and keyboards designed to use that, rather than polling.
Failing that, I would like to see true >1000Hz polling rates.

Re: Upgraded to a "flawless sensor" mouse and I love it

PostPosted: 02 Aug 2017, 15:19
by Chief Blur Buster
What about the SteelSeries 310? Looks like a very promising model.

I'm in the market to obtain a more 240Hz-friendly mouse, even if it simply has a more accurate 1000Hz poll rate.

Re: Upgraded to a "flawless sensor" mouse and I love it

PostPosted: 12 Aug 2017, 15:48
by sharknice
If I remember correctly Zowie EC1's have issues with 1000hz. So you might want to stick with 500hz.