2000Hz vs 4000Hz [Mouse]

[chandler]

hi, I am using the DAv3 (wired non-pro) .

I really cant see any difference between 2k and 4k polling rate in CS2 @ 360hz both strobed and non-strobed (FPS is well above that in both polling rate values - typically hovering between 500-700)

I thought you guys can shed some light on the subject for me

[Inco^]

What DPI are you using? If you use some mouse rate checker online, you'll probably notice that polling rate doesn't go very high even though you swipe the mouse quite fast (that was assuming your DPI was low). Now increase your DPI and decrease the windows mouse sensitivity to keep the same actual sensitivity: you will notice that the polling rate can now go higher.

[chandler]

What DPI are you using? If you use some mouse rate checker online, you'll probably notice that polling rate doesn't go very high even though you swipe the mouse quite fast (that was assuming your DPI was low). Now increase your DPI and decrease the windows mouse sensitivity to keep the same actual sensitivity: you will notice that the polling rate can now go higher.

oh yeah sorry for not mentioning. I switched to 800DPI once I got the 360Hz monitor .

after watching the video about how raising DPI actually lowers sensor input lag I decided to go with 800DPI. (even though I saw many times that Chief and other people recommend 1600 - I feel like its unusable in windows .. and the difference in input lag over 800 dpi is pretty negligible(???) )

[Inco^]

What DPI are you using? If you use some mouse rate checker online, you'll probably notice that polling rate doesn't go very high even though you swipe the mouse quite fast (that was assuming your DPI was low). Now increase your DPI and decrease the windows mouse sensitivity to keep the same actual sensitivity: you will notice that the polling rate can now go higher.

oh yeah sorry for not mentioning. I switched to 800DPI once I got the 360Hz monitor .

after watching the video about how raising DPI actually lowers sensor input lag I decided to go with 800DPI. (even though I saw many times that Chief and other people recommend 1600 - I feel like its unusable in windows .. and the difference in input lag over 800 dpi is pretty negligible(???) )

It's not just input lag, I would like to insist on that higher DPI allows for the polling rate to go higher. I suggest you make 2 DPI profiles, one for ingame, and another for windows desktop.

[chandler]

What DPI are you using? If you use some mouse rate checker online, you'll probably notice that polling rate doesn't go very high even though you swipe the mouse quite fast (that was assuming your DPI was low). Now increase your DPI and decrease the windows mouse sensitivity to keep the same actual sensitivity: you will notice that the polling rate can now go higher.

oh yeah sorry for not mentioning. I switched to 800DPI once I got the 360Hz monitor .

after watching the video about how raising DPI actually lowers sensor input lag I decided to go with 800DPI. (even though I saw many times that Chief and other people recommend 1600 - I feel like its unusable in windows .. and the difference in input lag over 800 dpi is pretty negligible(???) )

It's not just input lag, I would like to insist on that higher DPI allows for the polling rate to go higher. I suggest you make 2 DPI profiles, one for ingame, and another for windows desktop.

you are talking about 1600? so 800 isnt enough?

[Inco^]

Correct, I don't think 800 is enough.
You can see for yourself by using mouse polling rate checker such as https://devicetests.com/mouse-rate-test.
I don't play CS2 and I'm aware most pros using low DPI and I've heard there might be reasons not to go high DPI in that game, but I'd encourage still trying it out. At least you can go 1600 DPI, EliGE is using it so that should be fine.

[chandler]

Most pros still use 400, even those who made the switch to 2000 and 4000 hertz:))))

And Ok, Ill test 1600 if that is the case, thank you mate.

[joseph_from_pilsen]

The reason why hardcore gamers dont use highest dpi is simple, the ultra high settings of dpi will cause to your aim to be extremelly shaky. The sensor reads too many parasite moves at high dpi so the aim is shaky and not holding the track. I have been playing kinda long time with 3200dpi and 0.xx sensitivity and it was great for sniping (sniper rifles like scout or awp were extremelly responsive) but terrible for rifling, the crosshair was simply not holding altitude and was hard to control, due to parasite moves causing it to be extremelly sensitive to any micromoves. When i switched back to 800 dpi i felt like getting an aimbot. The only worse thing were less responsive snipas.
400 to 800 dpi is a good trade off, the crosshair stability is still good, and the mouse reacts noticably faster. 800 to any higher value like 1600 is not such a good trade, 3200 and more is already Parkinson simulator. Meanwhile mouse response lag decreases with diminishing returns, the amount of unwanted parasite moves added to your mouse movement increases exponentially with every dpi increment.

[chandler]

The reason why hardcore gamers dont use highest dpi is simple, the ultra high settings of dpi will cause to your aim to be extremelly shaky. The sensor reads too many parasite moves at high dpi so the aim is shaky and not holding the track. I have been playing kinda long time with 3200dpi and 0.xx sensitivity and it was great for sniping (sniper rifles like scout or awp were extremelly responsive) but terrible for rifling, the crosshair was simply not holding altitude and was hard to control, due to parasite moves causing it to be extremelly sensitive to any micromoves. When i switched back to 800 dpi i felt like getting an aimbot. The only worse thing were less responsive snipas.
400 to 800 dpi is a good trade off, the crosshair stability is still good, and the mouse reacts noticably faster. 800 to any higher value like 1600 is not such a good trade, 3200 and more is already Parkinson simulator. Meanwhile mouse response lag decreases with diminishing returns, the amount of unwanted parasite moves added to your mouse movement increases exponentially with every dpi increment.

exactly what I am experiencing in-game. and Im a pure main rifler.
the thing is its not only in CS. Ive played 400 dpi since 2003 maybe and switched to 800 only on old mice that had 800 as the "native" dpi.

and I still feel the difference between 400 and 800 @ 1000hz in some games. Feel how the cursor behaves in tiny adjustments that is.

[r0ach]

I assume you’re using 1080p 360hz. I’m a lifetime 800 DPI user and anywhere from 1080p 60hz to 1080p 144hz it feels pretty good, but once you start getting into territory of 240-360+ is when it starts feeling a bit overly-squirrelly and probably falls back into 400 dpi user territory again for people trying to maximize control.

Everyone has different aim preferences but the solution for me was just moving to 1440p 240hz instead because I didn’t want to go down to 400 DPI to use something like 1080p 360hz, and 1440p has a few benefits anyway. Funny enough, going up to something like 300-360hz on 1440p starts bringing back the same issue where it makes me want to drop DPI again to maximize control, but 1440p 240hz and 800 DPI is perfect for me at least.

Yes, even higher hz 1440p panels are already available, but I dislike using DSC and don’t really need a monitor that requires me to upgrade both my GPU and CPU once per week when 240hz is already a big enough problem to reach.