BenQ XL2546X doubts

[kyube]

If you don't need 60-85hz strobing, the Dyac+ monitors are decent, if you use VT tweaks (though some refresh rates get weird with the monitor syncing or lagging on mode switch, with VT higher than 1400, like 175hz, yet 180hz accepts VT 1550 with no problem or lag). I know nothing about the new Dyac 2 monitors, besides what you guys are posting. Do the Dyac2 monitors not accept or respond to VT Tweaks at 100-120hz anymore?

I don't know about the build quality or reliability of the XG2421--don't own it and not getting involved in that debate, but yes, assuming you get a good panel, it works fine. I do not know how the max brightness at something like 1.5ms persistence at 60hz compares to the early Z series monitors at 60hz, although I think I remember Chief saying that the Viewsonic didn't have strobe LED brightness boost (the Benq's used about 1.8x bias, which was a reverse engineering of what Lightboost used), as IIRC, the Z series monitors had certain bugs with accepting VT tweaks at certain refresh rates, like 60hz didn't work with the VT 1497-1502 range, while 61hz worked just fine. Also the Benq's had missing strobe information for 50hz, so enabling "Single strobe" at 50hz would cause the monitor to fail to strobe and would set the backlight to an outrageously high current level without strobe available (again, about 1.8x) which would make the monitor power cycle due to OCP. This could be partially circumvented by using a VT tweak, which would cause the monitor to think it was at 60hz and would use the 60hz pulse widths instead of the 50hz ones, but then certain values of Strobe Duty/phase would not work reliably at all. (you'll have to do a search for this stuff, this was discussed like 9 or 10 years ago).

From my understanding, they've seemingly locked down the ability to adjust strobe parameters such as phase and duty cycle with the blurbusters utility on the new DyAc2 apparently.
I've asked Sirius for a TestUfo crosstalk pattern test using stock DyAc2 with the & Discorz' MPRT ruler to identify it's MPRT, but he didn't make them yet.
As of the time of writing, the XG2431 for 60-120hz and XL2566K for 100-240hz content remain at the top in terms of low MPRT strobing without crosstalk (both being 0.5ms or even less)

[Supermodel_Evelynn]

As for XG2431 Amazon has a warning label on the product page that clearly advises against buying the monitor due to an astronomically high failure rate / returns. 25% of reviews have said the monitor has failed, same on newegg and other sites, reddit is full of complaints about the monitor dying either in warranty or out of warranty.
Normally products that gets this badge warning on Amazon are those Chinese knock offs which doesn't last a week.

Also returning a monitor to Viewsonic has to be done at YOUR cost and it's often half the price of the actual monitor, in other words you are screwed if it goes bad.

Not everyone are in Amazon.com
I don't see any issues with other Amazon and mine, it is surprising that the XG2431 have a lot of recent bad reviews but i've had two, no issues.

Regarding reviews on Amazon, what do we know if they are relevant? we do not know how people received and how they used their monitors, some hit their equipment because they are angry, some receive their products of a bad batch, some receive basically with a damaged box, it is not a relevant metrics and it's not 100%, only 25%, there are a tons of people who enjoy their XG2431.

The warranty at ViewSonic, like many brands, depends on where you are, in Europe for example it is very accommodating.

As I said, you are only here to criticize and bring negativity but what do you advise then ? you have not yet said what you are playing, what is your actual monitor (who must be better than all the monitor that we have)

Oh i want to go back on something about Amazon and review about that, it's like, NZXT H5 case, literally NOBODY in the entiere internet say that the build quality is bad and that there are some issues, great 5 stars reviews but the stupid issue with the I/O part at the front of the case are still here, i've had like 6 of them, all have issues.

Apart from bying yourself, you can't believe all buyers, when someone says to me "it's rubbish don't buy" I buy, when people say "it's perfect" I don't necessarily buy.

LOL what?

I am stating basic facts, Amazon has a warning label they attack to items with a 25% return rate due to defects, Amazon is the biggest retailer in the world. They sell more of these viewsonic monitors than anyother retailer, this is literally how you determine if a product has a high failure rate or not.

I still bought one today, last one was defective, I have to ship it to the Caribbean so I have no warranty and the return shipping 2 way is $400 USD hence why I didn't return the last one and ended up buying a new one.

If this one also has manufacturers defect that means I will now be ANOTHER $245 USD out of pocket not to mention the $80 USD international shipping to the Caribbean.

If this one is also defective like the last one them I am done with Viewsonic.

Fingers crossed this one is good, I have a 25% chance of receiving a lemon and a 50% chance it will be a lemon in 14 months

[Supermodel_Evelynn]

If you don't need 60-85hz strobing, the Dyac+ monitors are decent, if you use VT tweaks (though some refresh rates get weird with the monitor syncing or lagging on mode switch, with VT higher than 1400, like 175hz, yet 180hz accepts VT 1550 with no problem or lag). I know nothing about the new Dyac 2 monitors, besides what you guys are posting. Do the Dyac2 monitors not accept or respond to VT Tweaks at 100-120hz anymore?

I don't know about the build quality or reliability of the XG2421--don't own it and not getting involved in that debate, but yes, assuming you get a good panel, it works fine. I do not know how the max brightness at something like 1.5ms persistence at 60hz compares to the early Z series monitors at 60hz, although I think I remember Chief saying that the Viewsonic didn't have strobe LED brightness boost (the Benq's used about 1.8x bias, which was a reverse engineering of what Lightboost used), as IIRC, the Z series monitors had certain bugs with accepting VT tweaks at certain refresh rates, like 60hz didn't work with the VT 1497-1502 range, while 61hz worked just fine. Also the Benq's had missing strobe information for 50hz, so enabling "Single strobe" at 50hz would cause the monitor to fail to strobe and would set the backlight to an outrageously high current level without strobe available (again, about 1.8x) which would make the monitor power cycle due to OCP. This could be partially circumvented by using a VT tweak, which would cause the monitor to think it was at 60hz and would use the 60hz pulse widths instead of the 50hz ones, but then certain values of Strobe Duty/phase would not work reliably at all. (you'll have to do a search for this stuff, this was discussed like 9 or 10 years ago).

From my understanding, they've seemingly locked down the ability to adjust strobe parameters such as phase and duty cycle with the blurbusters utility on the new DyAc2 apparently.
I've asked Sirius for a TestUfo crosstalk pattern test using stock DyAc2 with the & Discorz' MPRT ruler to identify it's MPRT, but he didn't make them yet.
As of the time of writing, the XG2431 for 60-120hz and XL2566K for 100-240hz content remain at the top in terms of low MPRT strobing without crosstalk (both being 0.5ms or even less)

There is an App on steam called Lossless_Scaling it will turn any 60 FPS content into 120 FPS via interpolation and it's really good at doing it sometimes without issues even in 3D games but keep in mind artifacts happen.

It's like interpolation found on TV except this time because it's using your PC CPU and GPU the input delay is extremely small I use it for 60 FPS locked fighting games to run at 120 FPS / 120 HZ. Games like Street Fighter 6 and Guilty Gear etc that uses key frames animate really well and natural you often can't even tell it's doing interpolation it looks like natural 120 FPS design

[Sirius]

LOL what?

I am stating basic facts, Amazon has a warning label they attack to items with a 25% return rate due to defects, Amazon is the biggest retailer in the world. They sell more of these viewsonic monitors than anyother retailer, this is literally how you determine if a product has a high failure rate or not.

I still bought one today, last one was defective, I have to ship it to the Caribbean so I have no warranty and the return shipping 2 way is $400 USD hence why I didn't return the last one and ended up buying a new one.

If this one also has manufacturers defect that means I will now be ANOTHER $245 USD out of pocket not to mention the $80 USD international shipping to the Caribbean.

If this one is also defective like the last one them I am done with Viewsonic.

Fingers crossed this one is good, I have a 25% chance of receiving a lemon and a 50% chance it will be a lemon in 14 months

Yes, not everyone buy at Amazon.com, that's also a fact and the "label" ( lol wtf ? ) are not in my Amazon for example.
25% is not that bad considering other % doesn't have any issues and enjoy this monitor, you need to be careful and warranty exist, in EU no worry.

The fact that you are at Caribbean can change the thing, in EU we have a warranty and warranty and return conditions can change at where you from.

So you confirm that you basically have a XG2431 but for an FPS usage ? because it is clearly not the best performing in that regards, the XL2546X is imo so much better at max refresh rate, seeing ennemies in dark area are so much better, dark things is also better (don't have that much backlight bleed like IPS) and the input lag/responsivness is also better imo, at 60hz/120hz, the viewsonic with strobing is obviously "better" but i don't understand personally how we can appreciate strobing at these low refresh rate since my eyes just cannot endure that unfortunately, i see flickers and it's disturbing, mostly at 60hz.

I prefer brute force technique of OLED, it's obviously more blurrier than a CRT or XG2431 with strobe but i can't managed to see strobe at very low refresh rate.

[Sirius]

If you don't need 60-85hz strobing, the Dyac+ monitors are decent, if you use VT tweaks (though some refresh rates get weird with the monitor syncing or lagging on mode switch, with VT higher than 1400, like 175hz, yet 180hz accepts VT 1550 with no problem or lag). I know nothing about the new Dyac 2 monitors, besides what you guys are posting. Do the Dyac2 monitors not accept or respond to VT Tweaks at 100-120hz anymore?

I don't know about the build quality or reliability of the XG2421--don't own it and not getting involved in that debate, but yes, assuming you get a good panel, it works fine. I do not know how the max brightness at something like 1.5ms persistence at 60hz compares to the early Z series monitors at 60hz, although I think I remember Chief saying that the Viewsonic didn't have strobe LED brightness boost (the Benq's used about 1.8x bias, which was a reverse engineering of what Lightboost used), as IIRC, the Z series monitors had certain bugs with accepting VT tweaks at certain refresh rates, like 60hz didn't work with the VT 1497-1502 range, while 61hz worked just fine. Also the Benq's had missing strobe information for 50hz, so enabling "Single strobe" at 50hz would cause the monitor to fail to strobe and would set the backlight to an outrageously high current level without strobe available (again, about 1.8x) which would make the monitor power cycle due to OCP. This could be partially circumvented by using a VT tweak, which would cause the monitor to think it was at 60hz and would use the 60hz pulse widths instead of the 50hz ones, but then certain values of Strobe Duty/phase would not work reliably at all. (you'll have to do a search for this stuff, this was discussed like 9 or 10 years ago).

Yes effectively it's good, ULMB2 is better on PG27AQN imo but 1200 euro for a 1440p IPS panel with a fan on it, not for me.

What is the VT range for 240hz ? i don't know enough how to tweak CRU
i mean, i can test and post some Alien Invasion test but i don't think i will be a pro with CRU lol

[Sirius]

I've asked Sirius for a TestUfo crosstalk pattern test using stock DyAc2 with the & Discorz' MPRT ruler to identify it's MPRT, but he didn't make them yet.

I test some component like one RTX 4070 for a friend, a 4080 Super for me, two Z790 motherboard and try overclocking and undervolting + other daily stuff so sorry but i try my best to do the thing that you ask xD

Please wait, tell me again what you want me to do in details ?

Stock DyAc2, ok but Alien Invasion ? what speed (pps) ? what is Discorz MPRT ruler ? (any link) ? ( sorry to make you repeat )

Anyway, what do you think is better actually at price range ?

I mean, we should have here an actual price range best performing monitor like :

300$ =

500$ =

1000$ =

+1000$ =

I have the impression that there is only PG27AQN, XL2566K, XG2431 and new Zowie that is good but curious to know if somebody have another magical monitor to advice.

[Supermodel_Evelynn]

LOL what?

I am stating basic facts, Amazon has a warning label they attack to items with a 25% return rate due to defects, Amazon is the biggest retailer in the world. They sell more of these viewsonic monitors than anyother retailer, this is literally how you determine if a product has a high failure rate or not.

I still bought one today, last one was defective, I have to ship it to the Caribbean so I have no warranty and the return shipping 2 way is $400 USD hence why I didn't return the last one and ended up buying a new one.

If this one also has manufacturers defect that means I will now be ANOTHER $245 USD out of pocket not to mention the $80 USD international shipping to the Caribbean.

If this one is also defective like the last one them I am done with Viewsonic.

Fingers crossed this one is good, I have a 25% chance of receiving a lemon and a 50% chance it will be a lemon in 14 months

Yes, not everyone buy at Amazon.com, that's also a fact and the "label" ( lol wtf ? ) are not in my Amazon for example.
25% is not that bad considering other % doesn't have any issues and enjoy this monitor, you need to be careful and warranty exist, in EU no worry.

The fact that you are at Caribbean can change the thing, in EU we have a warranty and warranty and return conditions can change at where you from.

So you confirm that you basically have a XG2431 but for an FPS usage ? because it is clearly not the best performing in that regards, the XL2546X is imo so much better at max refresh rate, seeing ennemies in dark area are so much better, dark things is also better (don't have that much backlight bleed like IPS) and the input lag/responsivness is also better imo, at 60hz/120hz, the viewsonic with strobing is obviously "better" but i don't understand personally how we can appreciate strobing at these low refresh rate since my eyes just cannot endure that unfortunately, i see flickers and it's disturbing, mostly at 60hz.

I prefer brute force technique of OLED, it's obviously more blurrier than a CRT or XG2431 with strobe but i can't managed to see strobe at very low refresh rate.

No I had an XG2431 was used for 60 FPS fighting games, Street Fighter, Dark Souls etc

I bought another one fingers crossed, same usage, 60 FPS single strobe.

Currently have a 27" 1440P Gigabyte M27Q-P so I have to sell this, it's a bit of a downgrade going to the viewsonic but the strobing will make up for it.

I personally would never play FPS games with strobing because it looks choppy where as non strobing and addition of blur actually helps smoothen the image

Anybody who is truly honest would agree strobing becomes pretty useless at very high refresh rates / high FPS, law of diminishing return.
It however makes a gigantic difference at 60 HZ and slow paced games like street fighter because the refresh rate is so low therefore pixel transition is so slow and the game is so slow paced that you can see how awful the character body and faces becomes a blurry mess because you have time to notice it.

[Sirius]

No I had an XG2431 was used for 60 FPS fighting games, Street Fighter, Dark Souls etc

For fighting games? how is this useful to have strobing for fighting games ? i can play at these games without strobing and i don't see any blur on this kind of games (even if tbh i don't like this type of games lol) and i absolutely CANNOT managed strobing at low hertz, simply because i can literally see strobing with naked eyes, mostly at 60hz, remains me of CRT, horrible.
I personally prefer brute force technique of OLED or simply higher the hertz.

Motion Blur Reduction is more useful for games with a lot of movement where you didn't understand what is happening, this is absolutly great for Apex Legends or Overwatch for example, game with a lot of clutter and lot of very fast movement.

I personally would never play FPS games with strobing because it looks choppy where as non strobing and addition of blur actually helps smoothen the image

You didn't have that things with ELMB-SYNC, anyway on a stable machine with 240FPS full lock without any drop, i don't have any hard jidder feeling or anything like that, in a scenario when we take a person that have G-Sync+V-sync VS another person which have Sync stuff disabled but strobing like DyAc2, the person which have strobing have the advantage, less input lag, less ghosting and strobing can be bad if you have a lot of crosstalk, at max refresh rate, the XL2546X is pratically perfect for my eyes but it is not perfect because it can't be use with Blur Busters Utility.

Anybody who is truly honest would agree strobing becomes pretty useless at very high refresh rates / high FPS, law of diminishing return.
It however makes a gigantic difference at 60 HZ and slow paced games like street fighter because the refresh rate is so low therefore pixel transition is so slow and the game is so slow paced that you can see how awful the character body and faces becomes a blurry mess because you have time to notice it.

I have to totally disagree, on a LCD, mostly IPS/VA, obviously at low hertz strobing become "obligatory" for some use and it's comfortable for motion perception but i disagree with the "240hz without strobing is not necessary, it's fine like that" that's simply assuming that you didn't play at games at very high refresh rate that need that smoothness and less motion blur, i mean, it's an added comfort, it's by playing in comfort that you will play better and enjoy it better.
In fact, let's rephrase, 60hz/120hz needs strobing more than...360hz for example, yes, no one will say the opposite but you don't have a perfect image even at 360hz, it depends on what you're looking for and the degree of requirements that you have/games that you play.

I'm playing Apex Legends day one and yes, I don't necessarily need Strobing (because OLED at high Hz is enough) but I don't need Strobing to be forced to win a fight.

On the other hand, I played Apex at the first day of it's release and at the first year i play at 1080p/1440p 144hz, I played very badly, already because the first screens I had, have smearing (VA) but also IPS which gave me headache/were too grainy or had either a slow Overdrive mode without Overshoot or a fast Overdrive mode with Overshoot, the famous Dell S2721DGFA, horrible that one.

After jumping to 240hz, the difference was night & day...until i change for new hardware ! i mean, i've had RTX 3070 / I9-10850k (yes i know this cpu for gaming was overkill and an idiot choice lmao) and 240hz even at 1080p were not as smooth, since I changed and had 13600k and 4080 Super in DDR5, by touching the overclock a little, my vision has completely changed, it's like a "cheat", everything responds instantly....except no...I felt restricted why ? > I used the Acer XV272UX 1440p 270hz for 2 and a half years until a few weeks ago when I received the XL2546X, 1080p TN...ew. ..disgusting...at first!!

Because know i literally can't go back, my Acer (270hz anyway and 1440p!) have literally a trash ghosting handling and also a trash strobing mode (with a tones of crosstalk and very low brightness)

I cannot see anything on the Acer while on the Zowie, it's instantaneous, bright in black area, darker things are more pleasant because i don't have this horrible backlight bleed, anyway even at 10/10 my Acer sometimes "black crushed" opponent in dark places, it is just unpleasant and i've tried a LOT of 1440p high hertz, never truly liked one.

I don't play every time with the strobing with the XL2546X but this is also one of the rare monitor that my eyes endure with strobing (i'm sensitive to that basically) maybe because of astygmatism and Myopia that I unfortunately have.

All of that for saying that even at high hertz, having strobing at high hertz can be very useful.

For my use and for now, i've personally don't see better than the XL2546X, don't forget that we all search different things for different use, like, i know certain IPS are "good" but i just didn't like them, anyway i will try another XG2431 again like you, you make me curious about this one, need to try this one on my new PC.

The thing that i've don't like about this monitor is the fact that it is smaller about 1 inch than a BenQ for example and even if it's a small ridiculous difference, i've see that, the coating make me difficult to focus on far distances on big map games ( Apex Legends again ) and i've don't like overall the OSD control menu but, i will give it another try.

[Sirius]

Very difficult to move that fast but here is these Crosstalk test that some people ask me to do !
I've tried my best for doing that.

There is timestamp on all videos.

60hz at 1920pps > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69a-iB6BJOg

60hz at 2560pps > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1igk9IHeCs

120hz at 1920pps > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJeMO2CZcv4

120hz at 2560pps > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcAEjjU9Bb4

I can't achieve better than that, sorry.

For Discorz MPRT ruler sorry i absolutely didn't understand the thing ^^"

Like you see, at 60hz it's unusable compared to XG2431 for example, at 120hz it's "ok", again, it is not like the XG2431.

I will maybe try custom VT with CRU but before that i need a noob tutorial about how i add stuff to do the thing on CRU.

[DukeDice929]

XL2546X is an old TN panel, try something else.
It lacks variable refresh rate (G-Sync/Freesync), has more input lag on refresh rates less than 240 Hz (which is no go with 60-120Hz console gaming), bad angles (what TNs are known for). The only upside for this particular model is DyAc aka strobing. Otherwise stay away from it in 2024. Wait for more OLED panels or get yourself a good fast-IPS monitor.