Benq XL2430T Settings

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Re: Benq XL2430T Settings

Post by CybeRFernandes » 04 Feb 2015, 19:12

Thanks for sharing your settings as well pinobot, as i can see they're similar to mine... I'm very happy with this monitor just like you.
In which concerns to the digital vibrance settings, i am only using the color vibrance from the monitor settings because i find it more convenient to have it set to the amount i want just by pressing a button (switching between profiles), but i would be looking forward to understand what do you mean with "less clipping and highlights" and why does it make NVIDIA digital vibrance better than the on-board vibrance ;)

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Re: Benq XL2430T Settings

Post by pinobot » 05 Feb 2015, 13:46

The Vibrance function on the monitor also seems to change the contrast and crush black levels.
The Digital Vibrance function seems to be a more advanced algorithm to saturate colors because grey levels don't have blown out highs and crushed blacks.
You can test here:
http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/contrast.php

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Re: Benq XL2430T Settings

Post by pinobot » 07 Feb 2015, 08:57

Just realised that it's best to first set the screen brightness to 100%, then adjust the Intensity of the Blur Reduction to the required screen brightness, and lastly use the Area setting to determine where to place the crosstalk. :D

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Re: Benq XL2430T Settings

Post by CybeRFernandes » 07 Feb 2015, 11:32

For gaming i'm currently using brightness @ 100%. How am I supposed to know what's the best intensity setting for the screen brightness i'm currently using? Is there any test i can do? What's your Intensity and Area settings atm? Oh and whats the "crosstalk" btw?

Sorry for all these questions but i don't know much about the "technical-side" of monitors in general...

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Re: Benq XL2430T Settings

Post by pinobot » 07 Feb 2015, 13:35

Mij current setting is Intensity 18 / Area 10.
You want to have as high an Intensity as possible but also a screen that's bright enough, so in the evening you might use a higher Intensity because you don't need the screen to be as bright as in the daytime. Keep the screen at 100% brightness all the time.

Crosstalk at default setting Intensity 10 / Area 10:
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Crosstalk with Intensity 18 / Area 10:
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Personally i think the difference is really small.

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Re: Benq XL2430T Settings

Post by Falkentyne » 07 Feb 2015, 14:14

You need a VT 1500 tweak to get rid of that god awful crosstalk at the bottom.
Also using a VT 1500 tweak should allow you to use an intensity of 20-23 and get decent brightness.
Crosstalk at the bottom should be pushed almost completely off the screen and crosstalk at at the top should only be at the first few pixel rows.

Remember that Intensity is "strobe duty" in REVERSE, although no one knows the actual persistence values per point, yet.
Intensity 25= strobe duty 001 on XL2420Z (reversed). With a VT 1500 tweak and at 100 hz, this would be 0.167ms persistence.
The problem is, on the Z monitors, there were 30 points of strobe duty. With a VT 1500 (or VT 1350) tweak, the monitor uses the 60 hz backlight strobe pulse widths, and Masterotaku wrote down the persistence values per strobe duty point:

http://forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=560

You can see that strobe duty 001 (with vt 1500 tweak) is 0.167 persistence and Strobe duty 030 is 5.0ms persistence.
WITHOUT a VT tweak, the persistences are different. The values for each refresh rate (60, 100, 120 and 144 hz) were posted here:
http://display-corner.epfl.ch/index.php/BenQ_XL2411Z

You can see at at 60hz refresh rate, the persistence values are the same as with a VT tweak at 100 and 120hz (that's why the monitor OSD reports 60hz whenever you use a VT tweak, even at 100 and 120hz--it uses the 60hz backlight pulse widths because the monitor is being run out of normal specificiation. You know it's being run out of spec, because if you try a VT 1350 or VT 1500 tweak on an Asus VG248QE (SAME panel as XL2430T, XL2420Z and XL2411Z), you get a black screen "out of range" signal. so 0.167ms per point up to 5 ms (duty 1 to duty 30 in 30 steps).

At 100 hz (no VT tweaks) it goes from 0.1ms to 3 ms (each strobe duty point= 0.1ms more persistence, 0.1ms x 30= 3 ms :)
at 120 hz it goes from 0.08ms to 2.5ms, each point=0.08ms, 0.08 ms x 30=2.5ms (the math adds up)
At 144 hz its 0.07 ms to 2.1 ms (each point =0.07 ms).

The problem is, the XL2430T only has 25 Intensity points (strobe duty is 1-25 instead of 1-30) so I don't know how this applies now.
Did benq remove the top range (points 26-30) of strobe duty, inverted and then invert the remaining 25, removing the highest 5 points of persistence? Or, did they remove the old values 001-005--the lowest persistence values, and then invert the remaining 25 values?
Or did they just recalculate everything?

since 25 intensity (strobe duty 025) is the lowest persistence now (inverted from before), is this the same as Z series OLD strobe duty 001? or is it the same as old strobe duty 006?

(was the persistence ranges 'removed' at the top end or the bottom end? or was the entire persistence point per strobe duty recalculated?)

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Re: Benq XL2430T Settings

Post by pinobot » 07 Feb 2015, 14:28

Did the VT 1500 trick at 120Hz, Intensity 18 / area 46.

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When i push the Area over 40 then the screen gets darker, at 50 it's black.
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Re: Benq XL2430T Settings

Post by CybeRFernandes » 07 Feb 2015, 14:28

I'd really like to help everybody in this matter Falkentyne, but can't understand those technical aspects :(

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Re: Benq XL2430T Settings

Post by pinobot » 07 Feb 2015, 14:47

120Hz VT 1500 Intensity 18 / Area 0

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Re: Benq XL2430T Settings

Post by Falkentyne » 07 Feb 2015, 15:01

pinobot wrote:Did the VT 1500 trick at 120Hz, Intensity 18 / area 46/

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When i push the Area over 40 then the screen gets darker, at 50 it's black.
Set the area to 0, and intensity to 20-21, and take another screenshot.
Also how is it with area 0 and intensity 25?
Is the screen extremely dark or is it usable?

On the Z monitors, strobe phase 0 and strobe duty 1 is 0.167ms with a VT tweak active. Too dark to use.
But strobe duty 003 (0.5ms persistence) is usable in a dark room at night, and strobe duty 006 (1.0ms persistence) is very pleasant in daytime (as long as sunlight isn't shining on the screen).

The crosstalk at the bottom should be pushed off instead of having the bottom look ugly, while the crosstalk at the top should be at the first few pixels.

VT tweaks work best with area (strobe phase) at 0.
The only reason to push area (strobe phase) to a high value is if you want the top of the screen to look perfect at the expense of the bottom.

and yes, Masterotaku explained strobe phase going above 40 here.
http://forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=560
If you pass some point, you'll notice that brightness lowers, meaning that the strobe length is changing alonside the strobe phase (as explained before). Be careful when you change your refresh rate upwards, because if you go from 90Hz with s.p. 058 to 120Hz, you'll get a black screen, unless you disable blur reduction. At least it can be toggled with one button even if you see nothing.
This only happens if you are using VT tweaks. The main reason is, when you use a VT tweak, you push the bottom strobe pulse setting errors further off the screen (assuming that area/strobe phase is set to 000) while the top position remains the same (pushing strobe intensity to a LOWER value (higher value on a z series, remember it's inverted on your monitor now) will also push the top crosstalk field lower. But when using a VT tweak, the crosstalk (both top AND bottom) moves FARTHER down per increase of area (strobe phase) than without it. Without a VT tweak, you can go to area 100 without the brightness (persistence) getting lower. When you ARE using a VT tweak, the cutoff point becomes area (strobe phase) 30 or so. Meaning, once you increase strobe phase past 30, the strobe DUTY (persistence) starts decreasing. Assuming a Z series (with a range of 1-30 strobe duty) At 100 hz and VT 1500, strobe phase (area) 031 will lower the MAX strobe duty to 029, meaning if you had strobe duty at 31, it becomes 29 (5.0ms persistence - 0.167ms). Strobe phase 032 = Strobe duty 028, strobe phase 033=strobe duty 027 (meaning strobe duties 1-27 will work but 28-30 will be the same as 027!). So...an area of 059 (strobe phase 059) means the MAX STROBE DUTY is now 001 ! that is, 0.167ms persistence, regardless of what strobe duty value you entered. Increasing strobe phase by 1 more point will turn off the backlight, because the persistence drops to 0.

I hope this makes sense.

Remember this math is based on the Z series, with strobe duty 001 =lowest persistence (aka intensity 30 on your 2430T), and 30 points of duty. But your monitor has only 25 points of duty instead of 30, so I don't know how the persistence values per point work here.

*edit*
Yes, with VT 1500, going past 050 strobe phase (area) will set persistence to 0 and shut off the backlight at 120hz.
At 100 hz, it's strobe phase 60 (area 60) that will shut off the backlight at VT 1500.
Without a VT tweak, Area 100 can keep max persistence (intensity 1 on yours, strobe duty 030 on ours) without lowering the persistence.
At lower refresh rates, 60 or 75hz, this changes a bit. I think the backlight will shut off at 85+ strobe phase at 75hz, I forgot though. Maybe it just lowers the max persistence again.

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