Overclocked 8000hz Mice - Benefit vs Top-of-Line 1000hz mice

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Overclocked 8000hz Mice - Benefit vs Top-of-Line 1000hz mice

Postby AXUS » 11 Feb 2017, 10:09

Certain mice can be overclocked to 8000hz, or slightly above: http://www.overclock.net/t/1589644/usb- ... t_24852885

Certain mice have much better tracking performance than their peers: Image

The mice with the best tracking appear to have hardcoded driver limitations keeping them at a maximum of 1000hz. My question is this: between good tracking performance and a 8000hz refresh rate, which is more beneficial, assuming you're using a 240hz monitor? Could running the mice at an overclocked polling rate possibly cause issues with responsiveness, input lag, or etc.?

In short, should I be ditching my 1ghz G403 for an 8ghz overclocked mouse? If so, does anyone have a recommendation for which mouse in particular would be best to overclock, putting aside aesthetics/ergonomics and focusing purely on sensory performance?
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Re: Overclocked 8000hz Mice - Benefit vs Top-of-Line 1000hz

Postby RealNC » 11 Feb 2017, 10:36

AXUS wrote:1ghz G403 for an 8ghz

It's kHz :-P
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Re: Overclocked 8000hz Mice - Benefit vs Top-of-Line 1000hz

Postby AXUS » 11 Feb 2017, 10:44

these hertz numbers hert my brain
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Re: Overclocked 8000hz Mice - Benefit vs Top-of-Line 1000hz

Postby Chief Blur Buster » 11 Feb 2017, 15:09

Fantastic!

There are diminishing returns, but I do definitely think it's worth going well above 1000Hz for computer mice.

It is probably still best to stay at 2000Hz for now, because there's still so many factors that hurts 8000Hz (much like the early days of 1000Hz, when computer systems and game engines couldn't reliably benefit from them like they can today). That's not to say 8000Hz has no benefit -- but it's still outlier territory.

It still requires unduly precision along the whole chain (ultra low jitter USB port, high quality USB drivers with low jitter to app, good operating system, game engine, graphics drivers, high >240Hz+ monitor refresh rates, mouse drivers that doens't get in the way, uber GPUs, older game engines like Source, etc) in order for 2000Hz to become the microstutter weak link (like 500Hz and 1000Hz has finally become in certain circumstances).

The step from 125Hz->500Hz->1000Hz is big. But the step 1000Hz->2000Hz is very subtle and 2000Hz->4000Hz even more subtler. However, doing a big step up, the cumilative benefits of 1000Hz->8000Hz is more likely to be more noticeable than just 1000Hz->2000Hz. It is possible that 1000Hz->8000Hz may be almost as visible as 500Hz->1000Hz in certain conditions, such as running with ULMB/LightBoost (blur reduction) since the lack of motion blur significantly amplifies visibility of microstutters.

The Blur Busters Mouse Guide explains why it's useful to keep increasing the poll frequency (as long as computer capability & sensor accuracy permits). This chart illustrates how computer mice can be a microstutter weak link, especially when the poll rate creates beat-frequency effects against frame rates and/or refresh rates.

In the era of GSYNC monitors & blur reduction monitors eliminating a lot of motion imperfections, the computer mouse can become the microstutter weak link...

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Re: Overclocked 8000hz Mice - Benefit vs Top-of-Line 1000hz

Postby Jourgensen » 14 Feb 2017, 06:31

And whatch your cpu while you move your mouse...
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Re: Overclocked 8000hz Mice - Benefit vs Top-of-Line 1000hz

Postby flood » 25 Feb 2017, 14:48

the only mice that can do 8000hz (or even 4000hz) are the microsoft mlt04 ones

and the ones i've modded with a teensy
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Re: Overclocked 8000hz Mice - Benefit vs Top-of-Line 1000hz

Postby lexlazootin » 25 Feb 2017, 23:52

flood, you reckon the mercury sensor is fine? I might just get the G102/G203 over the G pro since it's a little cheaper.

I would use my WMO but it's a little big for me and i wish it worked at 800dpi. 400 is a bit small for low fov or high resolutions.
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Re: Overclocked 8000hz Mice - Benefit vs Top-of-Line 1000hz

Postby flood » 04 Mar 2017, 21:57

i think someone on ocn said diagonal movement feels off with the mercury sensor
i didn't notice that though.

personally i slightly prefer 3366, though i'm not confident i'd be able to distinguish the two in a blind test.

oh and g102/203 cable is the best logitech has ever used :P
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Re: Overclocked 8000hz Mice - Benefit vs Top-of-Line 1000hz

Postby Chief Blur Buster » 12 Mar 2017, 19:31

flood wrote:i think someone on ocn said diagonal movement feels off with the mercury sensor

I wonder if that's mousepad-specific?

I am thinking -- perhaps some cloth mousepads have a diamond-threaded or square-threaded pattern that can make diagonal movements behave slightly different from horizontal/vertical movements? Some sensors might not handle that kind of stuff as well as others.

Using a random texture (e.g. textured plastic mousepad) may improve tracking of some sensors, since there's no repeated patterns to throw off tracking as much, and this might cause the tracking issue to disappear.
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