jorimt wrote: ↑05 May 2020, 08:48
How long has it been since you switched from 60Hz to high refresh? Because, as I said, the biggest difference you're going to notice at first is the refresh rate; everything else will get drown out at first. It was that way for me as well.
My time for returning this monitor is almost over, I have 28 days to return products purchased online where I live, so that's about it
jorimt wrote: ↑05 May 2020, 08:48
When I first made the switch from you're basic office-use 16:10 1080p 60Hz Dell Utrasharp to this monitor, I actually wasn't even finding the refresh rate difference worth it, let alone G-SYNC, and tried a couple of 1440p 60Hz Ultrasharp models before switching back to this one.
In my case, this was because I had mainly been playing 3rd person SP games with a controller, where slow panning and lack of a need for precise aim made the high refresh and G-SYNC less noticeable. But after I started playing more FPS games with a mouse and keyboard, it slowly became evident both were worth it (and definitely noticeable after time) for my use case.
For me the refresh rate was very noticeable from the first moments of using the new display, and I immediately felt a significant difference, not only in FPS games. I actually saw a difference in
"Plague Inc: Evolved", all the animations, so fluent, so smooth
Even everyday desktop stuff is more pleasing with all that fluidity and smoothness. Of course, it's a shock that lasts for some time, then brain gets used to this goodness and switching back to 60 Hz feels like dying
jorimt wrote: ↑05 May 2020, 08:48
So let's take a scenario where you're playing a game that doesn't half refresh lock with it's standalone V-SYNC method, and your FPS is within the refresh rate with both G-SYNC and standalone V-SYNC. V-SYNC is typically going to have 1 to 1 1/2 frame higher input lag than G-SYNC in that scenario.
Seems like all games have decent V-SYNC these days, I did not experience any half refresh locks.
jorimt wrote: ↑05 May 2020, 08:48
At 60Hz, this is an additional 16.6ms to 24.9ms of input lag. However, at 165Hz, it's only an additional 6.1ms to 9.15ms of input lag. If you've just recently made the switch from 60Hz, that level of additional input lag is peanuts (no matter how sensitive you are) compared to what you were dealing with on a 60Hz display. You may ultimately become able to distinguish that input lag difference, or maybe not. Again, this is difficult to talk about because it is all subjective.
Yeah, it just feels so good, even lower frame rates are much, much more playable than on my old 60 Hz IPS display. It surely is sweet! As for the input lag, maybe you're right, thus far I struggled to notice a difference.
jorimt wrote: ↑05 May 2020, 08:48
Yes, sounds fine to me. Out of curiosity though, have you ever enabled the "Refresh Rate num" option in the monitor OSD? It's a yellow number readout that appears at the top right of the screen, and when G-SYNC is engaged, it will fluctuate with the framerate to signify G-SYNC is functioning.
I have, indeed. It has fluctuated with G-SYNC enabled, matching the frame rate, and stayed at the refresh rate when disabled, obviously. So, yes - G-SYNC was definitely working - and I just couldn't see it do anything
jorimt wrote: ↑05 May 2020, 08:48
Extreme overdrive is unusable on this monitor, yes. As for Normal overdrive and ghosting, I'll give you a little tip; 165Hz overdrive is slightly worse on this panel than 144Hz. Downclock and try again. TFT Central tested this on this panel (not model) and found that 165Hz has slightly slower GtG than 144Hz, so I use 144Hz myself, because, while slight, I can notice the difference as well.
I don't really see any difference between 165 Hz and 144 Hz when it comes to ghosting. Seems pretty much the same to me.
jorimt wrote: ↑05 May 2020, 08:48
Regarding trails, for one, FYI, this is still about the best 144Hz 1440p IPS panel you're going to get where GtG levels are concerned (there is a Viewsonic IPS model that recently released that has slightly faster GtG, but it has other issues).
Well, Acer Predator XB271HU is already a pretty old display, latest nanoIPS panels - like LG 27GL850 - seem to have superior reaction times and motion handling, as well as very low input lag. This particular LG model is praised for its response times and very little processing lag as for an IPS panel. I am interested in testing it, and I probably will.
jorimt wrote: ↑05 May 2020, 08:48
If you're not opposed to 1080p and want to stick with IPS, I'd recommend something like the ViewSonic
XG270, or a TN panel for faster GtG performance with less ghosting/overdrive artifacts. That, and 240Hz is even better for comp twitch shooters. And yes, if you don't notice a difference with G-SYNC at 165Hz, you'll notice it even less at 240Hz, so maybe you're better off with a 240Hz TN (with or without G-SYNC) at this point if you can tolerate sub 1440p.
And here we reach my main problem. I guess I am opposed to 1080p, and to anything smaller than 27 inches, and less than 1440p... and probably even to TN panels. I've used 27" 2560x1440 IPS for YEARS. I ordered BenQ Zowie XL2546 and I actually expect an unpleasant shock, as it's just 24.5" 1080p TN panel, but I just want to experience such a display firsthand. Other than that, I have two more monitors on my "to test" list: already mentioned LG 27GL850 (27" 1440 nanoIPS, Free-Sync/G-SYNC Compatible) and HP Omen X 27. The latter is actually 27" 1440p TN panel with 240 Hz refresh rate, reasonably priced, so it basically looks like the ultimate choice here - putting good size, high resolution and responsiveness together - especially that it's praised for extremely good response times and extremely low input lag. It supports both Free-Sync and G-SYNC Compatible, that's always good, in case I start to appreciate what G-SYNC does over time
What do you think about these displays? Here's the review of Omen X 27:
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/hp/omen-x-27
jorimt wrote: ↑05 May 2020, 23:40
Regardless @speancer, if you're sensitive to ghosting, there are certainly TN panels (and a probably a couple of newer IPS panels) that have less ghosting/lower GtG.
FYI, the reason I personally chose an IPS monitor, is I also need it for color-correct work, I'm not super picky about ghosting or overdrive artifacts (~5.1ms is low enough GtG performance for me at 144Hz with my sensitivities and use case), and I can't tolerate the gamma shift (viewing angles) of most TN panels. Your mileage obviously may vary...
Yeah, I'd really like to have a display that would be less blurry and show less ghosting, TN panel would probably be the best for this, but I share the same concern with you - don't know if I'll be able to stand TN overall image quality - although I've heard TN panels actually got better in color reproduction. Omen X 27 I mentioned supposedly has a nice image quality as for a Twisted Nematic panel.
And from my last G-SYNC testing I can tell you this - I think I noticed a little bit of jittery feeling just moving my mouse around in
"DOOM Eternal" while using V-SYNC. I picked one specific place in game for this. With G-SYNC I am almost sure that jittery feeling was not present. I guess this would be V-SYNC microstuttering? However, during normal gameplay, I don't think I'd notice this, and seems like I don't. I am also tired of testing this already