He did not fix his issue. Furthermore troubleshooting this type of problem can be extremely costly and time consuming. We cannot just buy a good power conditioner or UPS. The best type of EMI/RFI "filtering" is a good low impedance grounding (return path for transient current) - nothing else can make up for this. I do not mean offense and I see you are trying to help, however it is misinformation to say that people need a power conditioner or that it will do anything at all in terms of an EMI/RFI problem like ours. Modern day PSUs are extremely good at smoothing the power out as they convert it from AC to DC. With a high impedance ground neither a PSU nor a Power Conditioner/Online UPS will be able to short the high frequency transients to ground- instead it will just transfer between your appliances/devices or radiate into the airspace from the wiring throughout your home.Chief Blur Buster wrote: ↑24 Mar 2020, 23:08I'm glad you fixed your electrical-power-related issues!
One of the most difficult types of computer problems to fix.
Appreciate the success report. Multiple reports of lag solved by fixing electricity problems, means I'm interested in seeing someone stu8dy this problem more closely. There would be a market for easier "semi-comprehensive" EMI/ground troubleshooting. I have a simpler ground fault detector, but it only detects a few ground issues, and it doesn't detect EMI.
Once again I will drop this description that an industrial EE supplied me with upon hearing my electricians breakdown of my issues:
You either fix the grounding impedance/resistance issues or you do not fix it. That is the bottom line here.As for how all of this works.. impedance is referring to how easy current flows at various frequencies. It does vary with frequency so high frequency stuff will see higher impedance than low frequency stuff. What that means is that when your device generates RF noise the filters will try shorting it to ground. If you have a low impedance ground then you just get RF current on ground, RF current in a wire can radiate into the air and go into other stuff. It's much worse though when you have a high impedance ground. Current into a high impedance ground turns into a voltage on ground. This will also go into your neutral and you'll see a voltage where it will feed into the filters on other devices (they assume ground is zero) and their voltages can swing at RF rates. Essentially most things are designed to assume ground and neutral are zero volts and reference everything to that. RF noise from a device when you have a high impedance ground basically goes into all other devices instead of the actual ground.
So in the end, RF noise can travel through wires, it can jump from wires to the air, interfere with wireless stuff. Also, yea, power is 120V and the noise is typically tiny milivolts, but your electronics has filters that let noise move to ground, so RF voltages can jump right past the filters in many cases without getting reduced (input might be 120V is 30mV of noise and output could be 3.3V with 30mV of noise). The noise can even get amplified if it messes with sensitive parts.
Excellent post showing the problems with these Greenwave "detectors and filters". There is zero proof that these devices offer any concrete evidence of actual problems. Stop cheaping out on this people- we need to run actual electrical tests with real devices- clamp meters, multi meters, 4 point ground tests (resistance), spectrum analyzers, and oscilloscopes are the only devices that will bring light to these issues. I am not trying to be combative- this is a real issue that I have seen first hand and wrote in depth about. I am still unsure of the exact nature of the issue however it is certainly related to grounding (return path for transient interference). This is not some simple, "buy a device or two and call it fixed"- trust me I tried.mello wrote: ↑26 Mar 2020, 09:48
I have looked into this and the device you used, which is a Greenwave EMI (Dirty Electricity) Meter. The company sells Dirty Electricity Filters which are supposed to fix the problem. There are other companies who do the same thing and provide exactly the same products:
- Stetzer Electric (US) / Stetzerizer Filters
- SOLS Society (Swiss / EU) / Dirty Electricity Filters Greenwave SOLS for Switzerland and EU
- EMF Protection (UK) / Dirty Electricity Filters for UK and EU
These filters and meters are not cheap, and i have seen comments and reviews that these are a scam, and either they do not work as advertised or they create magnetic field which may be causing other problems, see this video: Perils and Problems with Dirty Electricity Filters: What to be Aware of!
But on the above video, there is also this comment:
So not sure what to think about that. Anyone here has experience with that kind of stuff ?We have seen this video before and it is inaccurate and sadly misleading. Let me explain how magnetic fields are created in homes. The Live and Neutral wires have opposing currents which both create magnetic fields, but they neutralize each other when the wires are next to each other. When you separate the fields you get an independent magnetic field.
This misleading video sets up a wiring error by separating Live and Neutral wires and then puts a voltage on them which will always create a magnetic field under every situation. This is NOT a result from the filter, this is from the wiring error created. If instead of a filter you place a light bulb or a phone on charge in the circuit you would get the same magnetic field so its NOT caused by the filter but the wiring error.
In Australia we use twin and earth cables where the Live and Neutral cables are manufactured within the same cable so the magnetic field is neutralized. Only where the live and neutral are separated will a magnetic field occur.You will always measure a small local field around every powerpoint which has a device plugged in and is switched on because the wires are separated out in the back of the wall socket to supply the socket, so with any device including the filters you will read a magnetic field at the power socket or any place where the wires are separated, this is called a wiring error . This will typically diminish at around 30cm distance. You won't place the filters under bed heads to avoid sleeping spaces.
I hope this clarifies the situation and the video misleading the public.