Sweaty Optimization Guide (Low Input Lag/High FPS/Competitive Gaming)

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Slender
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Re: Sweaty Optimization Guide (Low Input Lag/High FPS/Competitive Gaming)

Post by Slender » 06 Feb 2023, 22:13

yeesecretalias wrote:
06 Feb 2023, 21:07
Slender wrote:
06 Feb 2023, 20:05
you seriously use useplatformtick yes + 0.5ms timer in 2023??
and msi afterberner adds dpc latency on lastest nvidia drivers, use reg tweak for lock freq.
anyway, thanks for this.
No difference on my system between afterburner on/off. I tested many times with longer time frames than 6-7 minutes, but this is sufficient. There are few things that actually affect DPC latency (drivers/timers/powerplan and power saving features/bad apps).
I have found no reg tweaks that actually lock the frequency correctly.
After applying them, they still bounce around like crazy if you check any info tool, but if you have a link that worked for you I'd love it.

Also the reason why I use timer tool is because 1803 is the last OS with a specific timer system (and overall lower latency than newer windows OS versions), and setting the timer res works nicely especially for older games. There is way too much debate on the net regarding timers and thousands of different opinions/system variation regarding it, so just use whatever runs best on your config.
im sorry, i dont see.
yes, old qpc timer like in 1709, 1803 work normal with tick yes + 0.5ms
what nvidia driver you use?
u dont have dpc spikes to 150dpc by nvdia driver?

yeesecretalias
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Re: Sweaty Optimization Guide (Low Input Lag/High FPS/Competitive Gaming)

Post by yeesecretalias » 06 Feb 2023, 22:40

Slender wrote:
06 Feb 2023, 22:13
yeesecretalias wrote:
06 Feb 2023, 21:07
Slender wrote:
06 Feb 2023, 20:05
you seriously use useplatformtick yes + 0.5ms timer in 2023??
and msi afterberner adds dpc latency on lastest nvidia drivers, use reg tweak for lock freq.
anyway, thanks for this.
No difference on my system between afterburner on/off. I tested many times with longer time frames than 6-7 minutes, but this is sufficient. There are few things that actually affect DPC latency (drivers/timers/powerplan and power saving features/bad apps).
I have found no reg tweaks that actually lock the frequency correctly.
After applying them, they still bounce around like crazy if you check any info tool, but if you have a link that worked for you I'd love it.

Also the reason why I use timer tool is because 1803 is the last OS with a specific timer system (and overall lower latency than newer windows OS versions), and setting the timer res works nicely especially for older games. There is way too much debate on the net regarding timers and thousands of different opinions/system variation regarding it, so just use whatever runs best on your config.
im sorry, i dont see.
yes, old qpc timer like in 1709, 1803 work normal with tick yes + 0.5ms
what nvidia driver you use?
u dont have dpc spikes to 150dpc by nvdia driver?
I don't have any spikes beyond 50-60, ever. Check this album for a 30 minute run of LatencyMon (I've ran it for over 24hrs+ previously and it exactly the same) https://imgur.com/a/eN67YYJ
My current Nvidia driver version is 522.25, however from the versions I've tested previously (latest version, 466.*, 517.*) there is no difference in DPC latency between Nvidia drivers on my 3070. I'm simply using this specific version as my friend asked me to test it last.
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Slender
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Re: Sweaty Optimization Guide (Low Input Lag/High FPS/Competitive Gaming)

Post by Slender » 06 Feb 2023, 22:48

yeesecretalias wrote:
06 Feb 2023, 22:40
Slender wrote:
06 Feb 2023, 22:13
yeesecretalias wrote:
06 Feb 2023, 21:07
Slender wrote:
06 Feb 2023, 20:05
you seriously use useplatformtick yes + 0.5ms timer in 2023??
and msi afterberner adds dpc latency on lastest nvidia drivers, use reg tweak for lock freq.
anyway, thanks for this.
No difference on my system between afterburner on/off. I tested many times with longer time frames than 6-7 minutes, but this is sufficient. There are few things that actually affect DPC latency (drivers/timers/powerplan and power saving features/bad apps).
I have found no reg tweaks that actually lock the frequency correctly.
After applying them, they still bounce around like crazy if you check any info tool, but if you have a link that worked for you I'd love it.

Also the reason why I use timer tool is because 1803 is the last OS with a specific timer system (and overall lower latency than newer windows OS versions), and setting the timer res works nicely especially for older games. There is way too much debate on the net regarding timers and thousands of different opinions/system variation regarding it, so just use whatever runs best on your config.
im sorry, i dont see.
yes, old qpc timer like in 1709, 1803 work normal with tick yes + 0.5ms
what nvidia driver you use?
u dont have dpc spikes to 150dpc by nvdia driver?
I don't have any spikes beyond 50-60, ever. Check this album for a 30 minute run of LatencyMon (I've ran it for over 24hrs+ previously and it exactly the same) https://imgur.com/a/eN67YYJ
My current Nvidia driver version is 522.25, however from the versions I've tested previously (latest version, 466.*, 517.*) there is no difference in DPC latency between Nvidia drivers on my 3070. I'm simply using this specific version as my friend asked me to test it last.
on 472.12 and 512.15 i have normal dpc (50), but on newer driver like you use, i have spikes to 150

Sirito
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Re: Sweaty Optimization Guide (Low Input Lag/High FPS/Competitive Gaming)

Post by Sirito » 07 Feb 2023, 10:20

yeesecretalias wrote:
05 Feb 2023, 07:01
Hello all. :D

This forum was quite helpful in my quest for competitive gaming, low input lag, high FPS, and smoothness in the past. I've decided to drop my own compiled research for anyone interested, as knowledge is best shared!

This project started out with a couple of friends after we got tired of subpar, random, and poor performances out of PC games. We went through a ton of information on the internet to arrive at settings that work fairly well. I've tested 20+ games at this point and all of them run smoothly and without any complaints (with objective FPS/latency data through CapFrameX). There is minimal noticeable input lag on my system, everything feels ultra responsive/instant, and gaming is a lot more fun. Whereas prior to this - it was a stuttering mess and felt delayed.

https://tinyurl.com/sweatypcguide
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ILu ... xYJgQ4sxDM (non-shortened link)

Parts of the guide are game-specific for the games I play (Unreal Tournament 4/Aimlab/Kovaaks) and can be ignored, but the rest of the information should have value to everyone. It's also oriented around Nvidia GPU + Intel CPU since this is what our PCs have, and therefore could be tested.

HF, and let me know if there's any feedback/questions!
Great guide, Will timer resolution thing have any effect on windows 11 overall performance?

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Re: Sweaty Optimization Guide (Low Input Lag/High FPS/Competitive Gaming)

Post by dannyoceanic » 07 Feb 2023, 14:43

Can anyone confirm if this guide works for valorant and has any impact on that swammy feeling?

Shade7
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Re: Sweaty Optimization Guide (Low Input Lag/High FPS/Competitive Gaming)

Post by Shade7 » 07 Feb 2023, 15:10

dannyoceanic wrote:
07 Feb 2023, 14:43
Can anyone confirm if this guide works for valorant and has any impact on that swammy feeling?
I'll be testing some stuff from this guide for Valorant later. I'll let you know what I think.

Briefly skimmed it, the guide is very comprehensive. IMO- a little too comprehensive. Some of this stuff might not have to be messed with in the newest versions of Windows. Still, I'll give it a shot. Always fun to try.

Thanks for sharing OP.

dannyoceanic
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Re: Sweaty Optimization Guide (Low Input Lag/High FPS/Competitive Gaming)

Post by dannyoceanic » 07 Feb 2023, 15:12

Shade7 wrote:
07 Feb 2023, 15:10
dannyoceanic wrote:
07 Feb 2023, 14:43
Can anyone confirm if this guide works for valorant and has any impact on that swammy feeling?
I'll be testing some stuff from this guide for Valorant later. I'll let you know what I think.

Briefly skimmed it, the guide is very comprehensive. IMO- a little too comprehensive. Some of this stuff might not have to be messed with in the newest versions of Windows. Still, I'll give it a shot. Always fun to try.

Thanks for sharing OP.
Hey shade7 thanks again for answering me :)
Can you let me know what your test results are please.

I'm to much of a PC "noob" to understand everything from the guide, while reading it for the first time and dont want to change anything, if it doesnt help in valorant, since its the only game I put the time into^^

Traveler
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Re: Sweaty Optimization Guide (Low Input Lag/High FPS/Competitive Gaming)

Post by Traveler » 07 Feb 2023, 15:28

Is this better than what FR33THY does or it's the same thing?

Sirito
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Re: Sweaty Optimization Guide (Low Input Lag/High FPS/Competitive Gaming)

Post by Sirito » 07 Feb 2023, 16:27

dannyoceanic wrote:
07 Feb 2023, 14:43
Can anyone confirm if this guide works for valorant and has any impact on that swammy feeling?
I tried bios and windows tweaks, I had some good games on valorant today (currently immo 1 73rr) after these tweaks but the game is running normally so I don't know if it's a good day for me or the tweaks made a thing, I got some fps boost I think because of bios tweaks, can you tell me what do you mean by swammy feeling?

dannyoceanic
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Re: Sweaty Optimization Guide (Low Input Lag/High FPS/Competitive Gaming)

Post by dannyoceanic » 07 Feb 2023, 16:58

Sirito wrote:
07 Feb 2023, 16:27
dannyoceanic wrote:
07 Feb 2023, 14:43
Can anyone confirm if this guide works for valorant and has any impact on that swammy feeling?
I tried bios and windows tweaks, I had some good games on valorant today (currently immo 1 73rr) after these tweaks but the game is running normally so I don't know if it's a good day for me or the tweaks made a thing, I got some fps boost I think because of bios tweaks, can you tell me what do you mean by swammy feeling?
My system runs a steady 240 Hz and internet connection is solid with 15-25 Ms ping depending on what server I play, based in EU. Peaked imo 1 in Act 3 and currently on my way to ASC 1. Was global on CS some years ago. Thanks for the reply, I will test the things you mentioned on my system as well :)

I hope I can explain the swammy feeling that it makes some sense:
I have situations in the game during gun fights in which I start shooting significantly earlier then the opponent, for example I am 1-2 m away from enemy, I start shooting with a frenzy in this case and I get killed after emptying my whole clip. The enemy is clearly in front of me and the shoots couldn't have gone any other way then hitting him, to my disappointment the damage report only shows 1-2 body hits in some instances.

Sometimes I got the vandal out they are 5-6 m away and I should have gotten awarded the kill because I start shooting earlier then my opponent but some shots aren't counted and I hit him for 3 hits and he hits me for 4.

In both cases while playing CS GO I always would have gotten those kills with any weapon. Imagine you start shooting before the other player, even if it's for 1s and you got better ping then the other person, any other case then him headshoting you or your aim being off, you always should get awarded the kill.


Sorry for the long post, maybe I explained it good enough for you to understand what I mean.
For sure I have tried many fixes to get a smoother feeling to this game, it way felt way better in beta then after it was released

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