Heavy character movement (not input lag)

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Thatweirdinputlag
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Re: Heavy character movement (not input lag)

Post by Thatweirdinputlag » 23 Jun 2022, 22:43

kokkatc wrote:
21 Jun 2022, 12:28
Sirito wrote:
21 Jun 2022, 11:54
kokkatc wrote:
21 Jun 2022, 00:30
Sirito wrote:
20 Jun 2022, 17:52


Ty for detailed reply,

Bios:
I already disabled these settings.

XMP:
My ram was running at XMP 3200MHZ with auto timing (I think it was 15 17 17 36 69) .
But I read that maybe this is affected by ram timing so I made my ram run at 2133MHZ with auto timing(it is now 15 15 15 35 373) and didn't notice any difference and till now it is running on 2133MHZ no XMP

Windows:
Ultimate performance already enabled.
Usb power saving disabled.
Using intelligent standby list and timer is set to 0.5 and also latency mon values are very good during gaming.

Game:
Fullscreen optimization already disabled.

I tried a lot really a lot, I think the only thing left is the manual ram timing tuning but I tried once and my pc didn't boot up until I reset CMOS.
In your bios, make sure your memory is training properly. I'd disable fast boot in bios so your memory trains at every boot. This is quick and easy to do and test. You can download a program called timing configurator by ASRock for z690 from here https://www.overclock.net/threads/offic ... k.1794799/. This program will show all your timings in the windows gui. You want to take note of your rtls/iols and make sure they're training properly. The lower numbers are usually identical. The higher numbers shouldn't be more than two numbers apart (69 /71 for example). If they are more than 2 numbers apart then your memory won't be stable. You can also test running your ram in dimm slots 1 & 3 to see if there's any difference.

Some other things to try. Download DDU (display driver uninstaller). Boot into safe mode and run this and remove/clean your gpu drivers. Reboot into normal mode and reinstall gpu drivers.

If you're up for the exercise, consider reinstalling your os. Make sure your Ethernet is unplugged so windows update doesn't install driver's automatically. I've had several instances where windows update installs garbage drivers creating a lot of problems. After your new install and with your Ethernet unplugged, disable windows update from installing any drivers at all. You need to set searchorderconfig to a value of 0 in your registry, then reboot. This will prevent windows update from auto installing drivers for you. Here's a link for the registry key https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/windo ... sy.418033/. After you set this, reboot and plug your Ethernet cable back in. Update windows first, then install all of your chipset drivers and reboot after each one. Then configure all other essential settings. Use the audio and nic drivers that windows uses by default (these are already signed and tested, no need to update further unless there are problems). This is how I go about every os install to ensure I know what drivers are being used and to prevent drivers from being installed without me knowing. Also download gpuz and make sure your gpu is running in x16 4.0 or 3.0 mode, not 1 or 1.1. I once didn't seat my GPU all the way down into the slot where it was only registering 1.1.

I know this shit is frustrating as all hell. Start with a good baseline and go from there.
Sorry for the late reply,
I went to bios and found that fast boot is already disabled

I downloaded the program and here's the first screenshot
Image
and the second screensoht when I rebooted once
Image
FSB:DRAM and DRAM Frequency changed without me doing anything just a reboot.
Also if can you please check my rtls/iols cause I didn't fully understand what you said.

I used DDU and NV Clean Install before, and also stopped windows from downloading drivers, also I switched my gpu to msi mode before and also clean installed windows, and tried some gaming windows which had many services removed, I actually tested these things a lot to eliminate placebo and I can say none of these did anything.

Downloaded GPU-Z and found that my gpu is running in PCIe x16 3.0 @x16 1.1, here's a screenshot about it too.
Image
Thanks for you time :).
Okay, first I'd focus on fixing your GPU. See attachments for a visual reference. Your GPU is operating at <x16 1.1> when it should be operating at <x16 3.0>. This is bad. Your GPU bandwidth is being severely limited which could easily explain the 'heavy movement' you're experiencing. The first attachment shows what your GPU is operating at and the 2nd attachment shows what IT SHOULD be running at.

First thing I'd do is to find out whether your GPU is in power savings mode or if your card isn't operating at the correct speed. Keep GPU-Z open, and run the render test in GPU-Z. Click the question mark next to the bus interface speed to run render test. See if the bus interface changes to <x16 3.0> during the benchmark/test. It could just be throttling down when idle but I doubt it. If it still shows your GPU is operating @ x16 1.1 during the benchmark, then you know you have a problem.

Three things can cause this. 1) Your GPU is installed in the incorrect PCIE slot. Make sure it's installed in the top slot. You can also refer to your motherboard's manual. 2) Your GPU isn't seated properly. Apply good force to make sure it fully seats and you should hear a click. Keep your case open and don't screw down the card all the way, just enough so the gpu is being held by the screw on the bracket. Sometimes the screw when fully tightened lifts the GPU out of it's socket. Boot back up and check GPU-Z and see if it changed to @ x16 3.0. 3) Your default PCIE slot settings are set to gen 1 or defaulting to gen 1. If it's still showing x16 1.1, go into your BIOS and find your PCIE port settings and change to the highest available gen. For your board in the BIOS, go to 'Advanced \ Chipset Configuration, change pcie1/pcie2/pcie3 link speed to highest gen for all pcie ports. Save, reboot, check GPU-Z.

Since we're on this subject, make sure your PSU GPU power cables are properly connected to the card as well. I would just disconnect and reconnect to be sure. What PSU do you have, how many watts?

Fix this first before looking further into memory.

Post back a screenshot of GPU-Z after you fix this.
The GPU isn't operating at its maximum bandwidth because of power saving features, it will once a GPU load is applied, any game for instance. Forcing a 3.0 bandwidth 24/7 doesn't really yield any benefits. In your BIOS there are options for link speed to be set, but then again, it wouldn't matter since your GPU will request a 3.0 bandwidth during game sessions eitherways.
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Eonds
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Re: Heavy character movement (not input lag)

Post by Eonds » 23 Jun 2022, 23:36

Sirito wrote:
17 Jun 2022, 08:25
I have a strange problem and I believe it is not input lag, simply my character in Valorant moves heavily like the gravity is pulling me harder than it should, jumping also makes me float a little longer.
Why I believe it is not input lag is because all my inputs are registered correctly at the correct time, and I can flick enemies with my mouse too. Currently I'm immortal 1 which is considered high elo in the game but the game isn't enjoyable this way, I changed my playstyle to match this heavy movement so I stay back site and use my gamesense skill, because if I tried to move I will be heavy and the enemy will react on me before I even see him.
Does anyone face something like this? what is this problem called? what may be the reasons causing it? Thank you.

PC Specs:
Motherboard: Asrock B560M Pro4 (Bios Version 2.20)
Processor: Intel Core i5-10400F (2.9 GHz / 4.3 GHz) (Max Temp 55)
GPU: GTX 1060 6 GB Zotac OC (Max Temp 75C)
Monitor: AOC 24G2 23.8 IPS 144hz (Overdirve set to Strong) (Freesync set to off)
RAM: x2 HyperX Fury 8 GB DDR4 3200 MHz CL16 (Slot 2 and 4)
SSD 1: KINGSTONE SA2000 500 GB (M.2) (Windows Setup here)
SSD 2: PLEXTOR PX-128S3C 120 GB (SATA)
HDD: Samsung 7200 RPM 1TB
Power Supply: Cougar VTE 500W
Mouse: Logitech G305
Keyboard: HyperX Alloy Origins Core
The games movement mechanics are just like that. Movement isn't exactly linear. Movement in valorant has a peak of speed when moving left to right. It's a timing thing and I didn't know at first either. When I understood the mechanic I just abuse it because on their screens you appear to be sliding around and it's incredibly hard to shoot. Other than that it's input lag.

Sirito
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Re: Heavy character movement (not input lag)

Post by Sirito » 24 Jun 2022, 09:19

Thatweirdinputlag wrote:
23 Jun 2022, 22:43
kokkatc wrote:
21 Jun 2022, 12:28
Sirito wrote:
21 Jun 2022, 11:54
kokkatc wrote:
21 Jun 2022, 00:30


In your bios, make sure your memory is training properly. I'd disable fast boot in bios so your memory trains at every boot. This is quick and easy to do and test. You can download a program called timing configurator by ASRock for z690 from here https://www.overclock.net/threads/offic ... k.1794799/. This program will show all your timings in the windows gui. You want to take note of your rtls/iols and make sure they're training properly. The lower numbers are usually identical. The higher numbers shouldn't be more than two numbers apart (69 /71 for example). If they are more than 2 numbers apart then your memory won't be stable. You can also test running your ram in dimm slots 1 & 3 to see if there's any difference.

Some other things to try. Download DDU (display driver uninstaller). Boot into safe mode and run this and remove/clean your gpu drivers. Reboot into normal mode and reinstall gpu drivers.

If you're up for the exercise, consider reinstalling your os. Make sure your Ethernet is unplugged so windows update doesn't install driver's automatically. I've had several instances where windows update installs garbage drivers creating a lot of problems. After your new install and with your Ethernet unplugged, disable windows update from installing any drivers at all. You need to set searchorderconfig to a value of 0 in your registry, then reboot. This will prevent windows update from auto installing drivers for you. Here's a link for the registry key https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/windo ... sy.418033/. After you set this, reboot and plug your Ethernet cable back in. Update windows first, then install all of your chipset drivers and reboot after each one. Then configure all other essential settings. Use the audio and nic drivers that windows uses by default (these are already signed and tested, no need to update further unless there are problems). This is how I go about every os install to ensure I know what drivers are being used and to prevent drivers from being installed without me knowing. Also download gpuz and make sure your gpu is running in x16 4.0 or 3.0 mode, not 1 or 1.1. I once didn't seat my GPU all the way down into the slot where it was only registering 1.1.

I know this shit is frustrating as all hell. Start with a good baseline and go from there.
Sorry for the late reply,
I went to bios and found that fast boot is already disabled

I downloaded the program and here's the first screenshot
Image
and the second screensoht when I rebooted once
Image
FSB:DRAM and DRAM Frequency changed without me doing anything just a reboot.
Also if can you please check my rtls/iols cause I didn't fully understand what you said.

I used DDU and NV Clean Install before, and also stopped windows from downloading drivers, also I switched my gpu to msi mode before and also clean installed windows, and tried some gaming windows which had many services removed, I actually tested these things a lot to eliminate placebo and I can say none of these did anything.

Downloaded GPU-Z and found that my gpu is running in PCIe x16 3.0 @x16 1.1, here's a screenshot about it too.
Image
Thanks for you time :).
Okay, first I'd focus on fixing your GPU. See attachments for a visual reference. Your GPU is operating at <x16 1.1> when it should be operating at <x16 3.0>. This is bad. Your GPU bandwidth is being severely limited which could easily explain the 'heavy movement' you're experiencing. The first attachment shows what your GPU is operating at and the 2nd attachment shows what IT SHOULD be running at.

First thing I'd do is to find out whether your GPU is in power savings mode or if your card isn't operating at the correct speed. Keep GPU-Z open, and run the render test in GPU-Z. Click the question mark next to the bus interface speed to run render test. See if the bus interface changes to <x16 3.0> during the benchmark/test. It could just be throttling down when idle but I doubt it. If it still shows your GPU is operating @ x16 1.1 during the benchmark, then you know you have a problem.

Three things can cause this. 1) Your GPU is installed in the incorrect PCIE slot. Make sure it's installed in the top slot. You can also refer to your motherboard's manual. 2) Your GPU isn't seated properly. Apply good force to make sure it fully seats and you should hear a click. Keep your case open and don't screw down the card all the way, just enough so the gpu is being held by the screw on the bracket. Sometimes the screw when fully tightened lifts the GPU out of it's socket. Boot back up and check GPU-Z and see if it changed to @ x16 3.0. 3) Your default PCIE slot settings are set to gen 1 or defaulting to gen 1. If it's still showing x16 1.1, go into your BIOS and find your PCIE port settings and change to the highest available gen. For your board in the BIOS, go to 'Advanced \ Chipset Configuration, change pcie1/pcie2/pcie3 link speed to highest gen for all pcie ports. Save, reboot, check GPU-Z.

Since we're on this subject, make sure your PSU GPU power cables are properly connected to the card as well. I would just disconnect and reconnect to be sure. What PSU do you have, how many watts?

Fix this first before looking further into memory.

Post back a screenshot of GPU-Z after you fix this.
The GPU isn't operating at its maximum bandwidth because of power saving features, it will once a GPU load is applied, any game for instance. Forcing a 3.0 bandwidth 24/7 doesn't really yield any benefits. In your BIOS there are options for link speed to be set, but then again, it wouldn't matter since your GPU will request a 3.0 bandwidth during game sessions eitherways.
Acutally I went to bios and forced PCIE1 to GEN 3 and still automatically switching, I think it is a power saving option on Windows and not bios.

Thatweirdinputlag
Posts: 305
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Re: Heavy character movement (not input lag)

Post by Thatweirdinputlag » 27 Jun 2022, 14:54

Sirito wrote:
24 Jun 2022, 09:19
Thatweirdinputlag wrote:
23 Jun 2022, 22:43
kokkatc wrote:
21 Jun 2022, 12:28
Sirito wrote:
21 Jun 2022, 11:54


Sorry for the late reply,
I went to bios and found that fast boot is already disabled

I downloaded the program and here's the first screenshot
Image
and the second screensoht when I rebooted once
Image
FSB:DRAM and DRAM Frequency changed without me doing anything just a reboot.
Also if can you please check my rtls/iols cause I didn't fully understand what you said.

I used DDU and NV Clean Install before, and also stopped windows from downloading drivers, also I switched my gpu to msi mode before and also clean installed windows, and tried some gaming windows which had many services removed, I actually tested these things a lot to eliminate placebo and I can say none of these did anything.

Downloaded GPU-Z and found that my gpu is running in PCIe x16 3.0 @x16 1.1, here's a screenshot about it too.
Image
Thanks for you time :).
Okay, first I'd focus on fixing your GPU. See attachments for a visual reference. Your GPU is operating at <x16 1.1> when it should be operating at <x16 3.0>. This is bad. Your GPU bandwidth is being severely limited which could easily explain the 'heavy movement' you're experiencing. The first attachment shows what your GPU is operating at and the 2nd attachment shows what IT SHOULD be running at.

First thing I'd do is to find out whether your GPU is in power savings mode or if your card isn't operating at the correct speed. Keep GPU-Z open, and run the render test in GPU-Z. Click the question mark next to the bus interface speed to run render test. See if the bus interface changes to <x16 3.0> during the benchmark/test. It could just be throttling down when idle but I doubt it. If it still shows your GPU is operating @ x16 1.1 during the benchmark, then you know you have a problem.

Three things can cause this. 1) Your GPU is installed in the incorrect PCIE slot. Make sure it's installed in the top slot. You can also refer to your motherboard's manual. 2) Your GPU isn't seated properly. Apply good force to make sure it fully seats and you should hear a click. Keep your case open and don't screw down the card all the way, just enough so the gpu is being held by the screw on the bracket. Sometimes the screw when fully tightened lifts the GPU out of it's socket. Boot back up and check GPU-Z and see if it changed to @ x16 3.0. 3) Your default PCIE slot settings are set to gen 1 or defaulting to gen 1. If it's still showing x16 1.1, go into your BIOS and find your PCIE port settings and change to the highest available gen. For your board in the BIOS, go to 'Advanced \ Chipset Configuration, change pcie1/pcie2/pcie3 link speed to highest gen for all pcie ports. Save, reboot, check GPU-Z.

Since we're on this subject, make sure your PSU GPU power cables are properly connected to the card as well. I would just disconnect and reconnect to be sure. What PSU do you have, how many watts?

Fix this first before looking further into memory.

Post back a screenshot of GPU-Z after you fix this.
The GPU isn't operating at its maximum bandwidth because of power saving features, it will once a GPU load is applied, any game for instance. Forcing a 3.0 bandwidth 24/7 doesn't really yield any benefits. In your BIOS there are options for link speed to be set, but then again, it wouldn't matter since your GPU will request a 3.0 bandwidth during game sessions eitherways.
Acutally I went to bios and forced PCIE1 to GEN 3 and still automatically switching, I think it is a power saving option on Windows and not bios.
It is called DMI link speed on my Asus board, however, try to set nvidia control panel global options to maximum performance. That might do the trick..
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