input lag on newer pcs

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Slender
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Re: input lag on newer pcs

Post by Slender » 19 Jun 2022, 03:40

Shade7 wrote:
18 Jun 2022, 20:46
Slender wrote:
18 Jun 2022, 07:33
woodyfly wrote:
17 Jun 2022, 21:41
my 4690k has no input lag. any modern build of mine whether its 5800x or 12700k or whatever has more input lag. whyyy
there may be hundreds of reasons for this, new systems and bios were designed with default settings to focus on energy saving, previously there were much fewer settings.
I myself currently own the i7-12700kf and it feels MUCH worse than the i7-9700kf.
In my plans to try 5800x
In general, there is a problem on the ASUS mobo that a2 a4 slots give strange mouse behavior.
https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments ... erm=tphxa9
https://www.overclock.net/threads/asus- ... m.1797422/
https://www.reddit.com/r/ASUS/comments/ ... mer_issue/
This is the first time I'm am hearing about the A2 A4 slot thing - can you elaborate. I have an Asus mobo.
yes, because asus and alder lake = trash
i give links, just read

TN_fun
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Re: input lag on newer pcs

Post by TN_fun » 19 Jun 2022, 06:21

Sirito wrote:
18 Jun 2022, 15:41
TN_fun wrote:
18 Jun 2022, 15:11
Sirito wrote:
18 Jun 2022, 14:26
TN_fun wrote:
18 Jun 2022, 13:08
Hey guys, how about recording game play. I'm not talking about input lag (but it's related stuff), so does the gameplay footage from the game look the same to you, from different PC builds?
For example, I see people, and their games, gameplay, on the record (this is a record from the game, not the screen, i.e. shadowplay, obs, etc.) looks completely different. For me, it's like the speed of everything in the game is 1.1 or 1.15.
For example this guy https://www.youtube.com/c/TristanKilla2020 , there are others. Moreover, people not only with PCs have such gameplay, there are also consoles, for example, PS5. To me, their games look like they're faster, everything in the game, all the physics, etc. Have you noticed this in yourself or someone else?

For example, I noticed something similar in myself, in singleplayer games, but it lasted literally seconds. Everything in the game literally accelerated and looked like the videos from the people above.
Same thing here, I watch a lot of Valorant twitch streams and also youtube videos, they'r all faster than my game, looks like I play x0.9 or x0.8 speed
I searched on this topic and people said it was ram timing and speed, I made a lot of changes in bios and nothing changed the speed for me, I'm in a huge disadvantage...
Yes, it's game speed, but it's not settings or RAM speed. You can even watch recordings of games from PS5 and they look different for different people.
Do you have any idea what could be the problem? it is not input lag I'm sure
Nope. It was to think that these were components, some kind of combination, but consoles (a very good example of ps5, because there are games at 60 fps and videos on YouTube at 60 fps), behave in exactly the same way. Some have a higher speed of everything in the game (or is it a normal speed?) others are slow

Slender
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Re: input lag on newer pcs

Post by Slender » 19 Jun 2022, 09:03

assombrosso wrote:
19 Jun 2022, 01:33
Let me also state that, I found a reddit post where one users complained of input lag symptoms, heavy mouse after buying a new powerful pc. He said he couldn’t frag anymore, his skill went down badly and he had to use his old low fps pc back, and all of those issues disappeared. Input lag in weak low fps pc was actually much less than the newer higher fps pc.

Here you go guys: new hope
https://www.overclock.net/threads/new-p ... s.1643293/

He said he tried his old pc ram into the new pc and everything worked well
it also seems that RAM gives a more dramatic effect than anything

Melkxz
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Re: input lag on newer pcs

Post by Melkxz » 19 Jun 2022, 11:24

People were being sarcastic on this forum when I said I fixed my input lag mostly by using custom timing values.

I have corsair vengeance 3200mhz cas 16 on asus B550 rog strix (2/4 slots) :

recommanded timings : 16 - 18 - 18 - 36 - 54 for 3200mhz => unstable

Never got them stable for these values : had to increase tRC to 56 or lower ram speed to 3000mhz => stable input lag looks ok

XMP/DOCP profile gives me : 16 - 18 - 18 - 36 - 75 => insane input lag

It didn't fix all my mouse issues but my mouse went significantly snappier after this.

Shade7
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Re: input lag on newer pcs

Post by Shade7 » 19 Jun 2022, 12:52

Melkxz wrote:
19 Jun 2022, 11:24
People were being sarcastic on this forum when I said I fixed my input lag mostly by using custom timing values.

I have corsair vengeance 3200mhz cas 16 on asus B550 rog strix (2/4 slots) :

recommanded timings : 16 - 18 - 18 - 36 - 54 for 3200mhz => unstable

Never got them stable for these values : had to increase tRC to 56 or lower ram speed to 3000mhz => stable input lag looks ok

XMP/DOCP profile gives me : 16 - 18 - 18 - 36 - 75 => insane input lag

It didn't fix all my mouse issues but my mouse went significantly snappier after this.
Interesting, my TRC values seems rather high- trying to lower them and see if I feel a difference. Never messed with manual timings before, but will try it out now. Not sure how low I should bring it- can't find any recommended timings for my RAM for TRC.

Shade7
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Re: input lag on newer pcs

Post by Shade7 » 19 Jun 2022, 12:53

Shade7 wrote:
19 Jun 2022, 12:52
Melkxz wrote:
19 Jun 2022, 11:24
People were being sarcastic on this forum when I said I fixed my input lag mostly by using custom timing values.

I have corsair vengeance 3200mhz cas 16 on asus B550 rog strix (2/4 slots) :

recommanded timings : 16 - 18 - 18 - 36 - 54 for 3200mhz => unstable

Never got them stable for these values : had to increase tRC to 56 or lower ram speed to 3000mhz => stable input lag looks ok

XMP/DOCP profile gives me : 16 - 18 - 18 - 36 - 75 => insane input lag

It didn't fix all my mouse issues but my mouse went significantly snappier after this.
Interesting, my TRC values seems rather high- trying to lower them and see if I feel a difference. Never messed with manual timings before, but will try it out now. Not sure how low I should bring it- can't find any recommended TRC timings for my RAM.

Melkxz
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Re: input lag on newer pcs

Post by Melkxz » 19 Jun 2022, 14:02

You can check your ram timings and timings table with CPUZ.

Shade7
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Re: input lag on newer pcs

Post by Shade7 » 19 Jun 2022, 14:17

Melkxz wrote:
19 Jun 2022, 14:02
You can check your ram timings and timings table with CPUZ.
Thank you.

Just checked using CPUZ. Was able to switch my TRC value from 86 (what it was set to using "auto") -> to 68 (what CPUZ shows on the timings table for my advertised DOCP speed.

Sirito
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Re: input lag on newer pcs

Post by Sirito » 20 Jun 2022, 12:44

Shade7 wrote:
19 Jun 2022, 14:17
Melkxz wrote:
19 Jun 2022, 14:02
You can check your ram timings and timings table with CPUZ.
Thank you.

Just checked using CPUZ. Was able to switch my TRC value from 86 (what it was set to using "auto") -> to 68 (what CPUZ shows on the timings table for my advertised DOCP speed.
Did you feel any difference?

Shade7
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Re: input lag on newer pcs

Post by Shade7 » 20 Jun 2022, 13:10

Sirito wrote:
20 Jun 2022, 12:44
Shade7 wrote:
19 Jun 2022, 14:17
Melkxz wrote:
19 Jun 2022, 14:02
You can check your ram timings and timings table with CPUZ.
Thank you.

Just checked using CPUZ. Was able to switch my TRC value from 86 (what it was set to using "auto") -> to 68 (what CPUZ shows on the timings table for my advertised DOCP speed.
Did you feel any difference?
Not sure if I "felt" anything. Nothing extremely obvious at least.

I usually have good/bad moments of input lag (seems to change each time I restart/power on my PC)

It did feel like a good day however. Will have to use further to make sure it isn't just a coincidence.

Also disabled "power down mode" in Bios today, and am trying that out now.

I've seen it mentioned a few times that TRC should be tRAS + tRP.

My tRAS + tRP equals 62. Could I try pushing my TRC down to 62? CPU-Z however has "68" as TRC shown in the timings table on the SPD page.

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