Just only reading this now.
thizito wrote: ↑30 Jul 2022, 02:29
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Patience, my padawan.
Maybe, one day, you will learn why this forum exists.
If you wanted to get to Popular Science level, you go to
www.blurbusters.com/area51 and NOT this forum.
If you wanted to get to Scholar Paper level, you go to
www.blurbusters.com/research-papers and NOT this forum.
Not all posts here are always accurate but many hobbyists users here make a faithful-attempt results. Sometimes latencymon results are definitely junk, but not 100% universally always.
The forum discuss >99% casual/anecdotery/useful/semiuseful/junk to get golden <1% peer-preview. Many of our free test inventions sometimes come from forum discourse.
This section is not the Laboratory section.
If you are a researcher, you post in Area51 instead.
If you are a user or hobbyist, and just want casual discussion, you post here.
Some things that happened to displays in the last 2 years came from a lot of forum discussion 8 years ago, that consequently later cascaded to research papers, eventually vetted by researchers.
Here, this is only the butterfly of the entire Chaos Theory. But sometimes the good things only happen when the millionth butterfly happens.
Indeed, latencymon doesn't measure perfectly, but it does measure usefully enough to be a troubleshooting tool for some cases.
Even mere things like
www.testufo.com/animation-time-graph sometimes accidentally discovered inefficient RGB-animating system tray utilities, even though that tool wasn't designed to detect performance problems caused by system tray software -- but ended up useful for that purpose. So a test that is not perfectly/nor designed for specific purposes, may still produce some useful data.
Here, (for the most part) let discussion happen, without assumptions. Back in 1993, people trusted forum discussions in places like sci.* usenet newsgroups more than today. Trust in science has eroded. But even before deciding on what merits peer review or creating a paper, this is a watercooler room of discussion that we encourage.
30 years ago people didn't believe humans could tell apart 30fps vs 60fps. I micdropped it over 30 years ago with MOTION.EXE for MS-DOS.
Even when there's, say for example, 1%-5% chance your assumption is wrong and is not placebo, I pounce on blanket statements like "1ms doesn't matter" (
depends on the millisecond) or things like "It can't have any effect" or things like "It's definitely placebo" (maybe true for the OP or you, but might not be true for entire population). Some are important and some are not important. As refresh rates go up, motion blur goes down, resolutions get sharper (4K+), framerates go higher, displays get bigger, etc, ever-smaller motion imperfections become more and more visible, that was invisible at 640x480 30fps or was invisible at 1920x1080 120Hz etc.
Yes, quality of forum (signal to noise) has degraded since 2014, as all forums/twitter/facebook has, but if you scroll down to the Area51 ("Laboratory"), the posts there are vastly higher quality -- or better yet -- stick to
www.blurbusters.com/area51 instead.
Sometimes a one-in-a-million posts (...actually our batting average has been better than that...), butterflys eventually to a real peer reviewed research paper, with a research team. There's many topics that will remain unresearched, but we let discussion happen, and sometimes a researcher pounces on it.
Here's an example of a real peer reviewed science paper triggered by one of my tweets:
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=9785
There are many examples of micro-situations. Let's randomly pick one real-world example. Even a delay of a few tens or hundreds of microseconds to a mouse poll can jitter an 10,000 pixels/sec mouselook turn or a mouse cursor to the next poll interval (e.g. random gap instead of the regular gapping), and if happens often enough, you have awful mousefeel when you feel like things are randomish even in solo offline gaming (aimtrainer, bots, etc). And, also, there is also computers that can only do 4000 Hz mousepolls (cant do 8000Hz) because that specific computer had really crappy USB implementation that also created very high DPC latencies. Run latencymon on the 2000Hz/4000Hz-only mouse system, and run latencymon on the 8000Hz-mouse-capable system, and sometimes (not always) you see really INTERESTING differences -- that triggers you to run other software or try to track things down. That's one REAL-WORLD situation... Latencymon was made for a different purpose (sound), but as mouse pollrates start enroaching audio ranges (8000Hz), even latencymon sometimes creates interesting data on systems that is unable to do 8000 Hz poll rates.
DPC latency can cause sound issues (see conference paper mentioning latencymon
https://www.aes.org/e-lib/online/browse.cfm?elib=19592 ...) but nobody has yet tested how latencymon affects visuals, but in the era of 8000Hz mice (that has NOW a peer reviewed research paper), it's a legitimate stone to unturn.
People continually produce better software, and there can be better software than latencymon, but sometimes you have to use the blunt end of a screwdriver as a temporary hammer for a couple of nails, when no hammer is within 15 miles of you. Right Tool For The Right Job sometimes is limited to the tools you know about / have access to. Not everyone here is Chief Blur Buster.
Blur Busters has indirectly triggered many research papers, some that cite me and some that don't -- but over 25 do --
www.blurbusters.com/research-papers (Google Scholar). And you can always read
www.blurbusters.com/area51 -- the centralized research portal.
Blur Busters push the bleeding edge of display-related temporals (GtG, MPRT, lag, PWM, blur, stroboscopics, step effects, Hz, fps, VRR, jitter, stutter, etc) -- as we're in the Temporal business....
But yes, sure, this topic may be 100% junk. Who knows? However, discussion remains open.
As a deaf person, this forum is my watercooler, rather than a lunchroom of of casual-chatty researchers.
This forum is the Butterfly Tank running the Chaos Theory that sometimes outputs good stuff. You've probably forgot to read about the good stuff, that originally came from posts/indie/forum/discussion.
Please browse
www.blurbusters.com/area51 if you want researcher-quality stuff.
This is but a forum.