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5800x3d or 5900x 5950x

Post by assombrosso » 15 Aug 2022, 19:37

I have recently upgraded my mobo to dark hero which fixed a lot of my issues. I’m thinking about upgrading to 5950x or 5800x3d. I use pc mainly for gaming faceit csgo, and I open a lot of tabs and other programs in the background, I don’t believe 5800x3d will be beneficial to me with its cache increase in fps shooters (seen some benchmarks done with it with no change and csgo fps going low). The second reason why I think 5950w is useful for me is because when I use faceit AC, my GPU reaches 100% usage which results in pc crashing after long hours, I’m thinking my current 5600x low core is responsible for this or my 5600x is faulty.

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Re: 5800x3d or 5900x 5950x

Post by DukeDice929 » 15 Aug 2022, 21:35

First you need to deal with crashes, which may not be caused by your current CPU. I'd recommend visiting your local PC-repair service. ;)

Do not buy 5950X unless you do heavy productivity tasks such as rendering, code compile etc. 5800X3D is more suitable for purely gaming scenarios.
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Re: 5800x3d or 5900x 5950x

Post by Kyouki » 16 Aug 2022, 02:00

Very strange post.

Let's start by saying that there won't be magical much difference in going 5600x > 5950x except for core/thread count. Single thread performance or IPC is still roughly around the same, which is where most games benefit from. The larger cache can help here as well so maybe there is that but its very small.

Personally think 5800X3D would be more beneficial overall, esp for pure gaming load. 5950X is never really used in most games (most if not 98%) - I can tell from a 3950X. Exceptions were DOOM/DOOM Eternal/the new Spiderman game I suppose.

What memory speed or timings do you have?
Why does your FaceIT AC reach 100% GPU? That's very strange. Is it mining?
CPU: AMD R7 5800x3D ~ PBO2Tuner -30 ~ no C states
RAM: Gskill Bdie 2x16gb TridentZ Neo ~ CL16-16-16-36 1T ~ fine tuned latency
GPU: ASUS TUF 3080 10G OC Edition(v1/non-LHR) ~ disabled Pstates ~ max oced
OS: Fine tuned Windows 10 Pro, manual tuned.
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Re: 5800x3d or 5900x 5950x

Post by Thatweirdinputlag » 16 Aug 2022, 02:17

You genuinely don't need neither the 5900x or the 5950x for that matter, unless you're willing to constantly assign the game to 1 ccx to avoid latency penalties from switching between 2. But then you'd end up better with a 5800x or 58003DX. a lot of tabs will mostly hog your RAM and not your CPU resources the tabs usually sleep if they are not active or not visited in a while "internet explorer settings".

As for the a lot of programs that you're running in the background, can you specify? What would you actually need to be running while playing CSGO?
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Re: 5800x3d or 5900x 5950x

Post by assombrosso » 16 Aug 2022, 03:11

Kyouki wrote:
16 Aug 2022, 02:00
Very strange post.

Let's start by saying that there won't be magical much difference in going 5600x > 5950x except for core/thread count. Single thread performance or IPC is still roughly around the same, which is where most games benefit from. The larger cache can help here as well so maybe there is that but its very small.

Personally think 5800X3D would be more beneficial overall, esp for pure gaming load. 5950X is never really used in most games (most if not 98%) - I can tell from a 3950X. Exceptions were DOOM/DOOM Eternal/the new Spiderman game I suppose.

What memory speed or timings do you have?
Why does your FaceIT AC reach 100% GPU? That's very strange. Is it mining?
So 5800x3d is more beneficial here as 5950x will be fully utilised under heavy load /rendering ? Wouldn’t 5950x be overall better when I’m multi tasking /opening a lot of background processes that I’m not bothered to close ? The reason why I don’t find 5800x3d IS that good is because is too expensive to have 8 cores compared to 5950x 16 cores, the difference is around 150 dollars and more cache that I wouldn’t benefit from.

My faceit ac uses 100% of my gpu when I launch csgo with it enabled, I thought this is normal but it looks like it isn’t. There’s something wrong either in GPU or CPU, my GPU is gigabyte 3070.

Current memory 16Gb CL18 3600Mhz trident neo, it’s not that bad, timing are at default stock settings

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Re: 5800x3d or 5900x 5950x

Post by Kyouki » 16 Aug 2022, 03:25

assombrosso wrote:
16 Aug 2022, 03:11
So 5800x3d is more beneficial here as 5950x will be fully utilised under heavy load /rendering ? Wouldn’t 5950x be overall better when I’m multi tasking /opening a lot of background processes that I’m not bothered to close ? The reason why I don’t find 5800x3d IS that good is because is too expensive to have 8 cores compared to 5950x 16 cores, the difference is around 150 dollars and more cache that I wouldn’t benefit from.

My faceit ac uses 100% of my gpu when I launch csgo with it enabled, I thought this is normal but it looks like it isn’t. There’s something wrong either in GPU or CPU, my GPU is gigabyte 3070.

Current memory 16Gb CL18 3600Mhz trident neo, it’s not that bad, timing are at default stock settings
In most cases 5900/5950x will indeed only be used while rendering/compression/or other computing tasks that requires or can use a lot of cores and threads. There is indeed a price difference but you're never gonna use any or all of cores or threads in your workloads. Not with gaming + a lot of background programs/processes. Trust me on that I never or rarely seen my CPU go even beyond 10% at max, even with gaming or a lot of programs open. Remote desktops, virtual machines, browsers, monitoring programs you name it.
Most applications (+almost all) are still only using a single core or thread at best.
Do not worry of "oh I got a lot of background programs" all or many of those will highly use up to a single core with a usage of maybe 1 to 5% max. Depending per application of course. It's not that you're gonna get MORE performance just from having more cores, I wish it worked like that.

It's hard to justify the cost for the 5800X3D, I understand that but if you want the best gaming performance this is the best option right now to upgrade to. 5800/5900/5950x are options but again it would be a shame to buy such a CPU if you do not intend to use half of its cores or threads, like ever. Because that is rarely the case with games.

@faceit ac,
I think that must be the software being the issue here, even for a anticheat piece of software to use 99% GPU is very strange. I think this thing is mining instead and you may gotten a wrong one or something else is wrong with that.
Are you able to give me a screenshot of GPU-Z? Maybe have an idea of why that might be the case otherwise.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/

@memory
Not too bad, can you also confirm this runs on the proper speeds? Screenshot it please.
https://www.techpowerup.com/download/am ... n-timings/

This will help me to trouble shoot you.
CPU: AMD R7 5800x3D ~ PBO2Tuner -30 ~ no C states
RAM: Gskill Bdie 2x16gb TridentZ Neo ~ CL16-16-16-36 1T ~ fine tuned latency
GPU: ASUS TUF 3080 10G OC Edition(v1/non-LHR) ~ disabled Pstates ~ max oced
OS: Fine tuned Windows 10 Pro, manual tuned.
Monitor: Alienware AW2521H ~ mix of ULMB/Gsync @ 240hz/360hz
More specs: https://kit.co/Kyouki/the-pc-that-stomps-you

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Re: 5800x3d or 5900x 5950x

Post by assombrosso » 16 Aug 2022, 07:08

Kyouki wrote:
16 Aug 2022, 03:25
assombrosso wrote:
16 Aug 2022, 03:11
So 5800x3d is more beneficial here as 5950x will be fully utilised under heavy load /rendering ? Wouldn’t 5950x be overall better when I’m multi tasking /opening a lot of background processes that I’m not bothered to close ? The reason why I don’t find 5800x3d IS that good is because is too expensive to have 8 cores compared to 5950x 16 cores, the difference is around 150 dollars and more cache that I wouldn’t benefit from.

My faceit ac uses 100% of my gpu when I launch csgo with it enabled, I thought this is normal but it looks like it isn’t. There’s something wrong either in GPU or CPU, my GPU is gigabyte 3070.

Current memory 16Gb CL18 3600Mhz trident neo, it’s not that bad, timing are at default stock settings
In most cases 5900/5950x will indeed only be used while rendering/compression/or other computing tasks that requires or can use a lot of cores and threads. There is indeed a price difference but you're never gonna use any or all of cores or threads in your workloads. Not with gaming + a lot of background programs/processes. Trust me on that I never or rarely seen my CPU go even beyond 10% at max, even with gaming or a lot of programs open. Remote desktops, virtual machines, browsers, monitoring programs you name it.
Most applications (+almost all) are still only using a single core or thread at best.
Do not worry of "oh I got a lot of background programs" all or many of those will highly use up to a single core with a usage of maybe 1 to 5% max. Depending per application of course. It's not that you're gonna get MORE performance just from having more cores, I wish it worked like that.

It's hard to justify the cost for the 5800X3D, I understand that but if you want the best gaming performance this is the best option right now to upgrade to. 5800/5900/5950x are options but again it would be a shame to buy such a CPU if you do not intend to use half of its cores or threads, like ever. Because that is rarely the case with games.

@faceit ac,
I think that must be the software being the issue here, even for a anticheat piece of software to use 99% GPU is very strange. I think this thing is mining instead and you may gotten a wrong one or something else is wrong with that.
Are you able to give me a screenshot of GPU-Z? Maybe have an idea of why that might be the case otherwise.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/

@memory
Not too bad, can you also confirm this runs on the proper speeds? Screenshot it please.
https://www.techpowerup.com/download/am ... n-timings/

This will help me to trouble shoot you.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/p ... -fan.b8029
https://imgur.com/a/81QM9hA
here u go bro

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Re: 5800x3d or 5900x 5950x

Post by Kyouki » 16 Aug 2022, 07:53

Memory is off, you got 3600mhz but it's running actually at 3200mhz. Your GPU bus interface looks as expected. PCIe x16 slot.. Hmm doesn't seem to be something wrong with it other then memory running slower than it could.

FaceIT AC shouldn't use so much GPU.
https://old.reddit.com/r/AMDHelp/commen ... u_on_idle/
CPU: AMD R7 5800x3D ~ PBO2Tuner -30 ~ no C states
RAM: Gskill Bdie 2x16gb TridentZ Neo ~ CL16-16-16-36 1T ~ fine tuned latency
GPU: ASUS TUF 3080 10G OC Edition(v1/non-LHR) ~ disabled Pstates ~ max oced
OS: Fine tuned Windows 10 Pro, manual tuned.
Monitor: Alienware AW2521H ~ mix of ULMB/Gsync @ 240hz/360hz
More specs: https://kit.co/Kyouki/the-pc-that-stomps-you

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Re: 5800x3d or 5900x 5950x

Post by assombrosso » 16 Aug 2022, 07:58

Kyouki wrote:
16 Aug 2022, 07:53
Memory is off, you got 3600mhz but it's running actually at 3200mhz. Your GPU bus interface looks as expected. PCIe x16 slot.. Hmm doesn't seem to be something wrong with it other then memory running slower than it could.

FaceIT AC shouldn't use so much GPU.
https://old.reddit.com/r/AMDHelp/commen ... u_on_idle/
Yeah I set it as 3200mhz to see if it makes any difference with other stuff. Yeah, my pc specs look fine on paper but there is something bad at play here and I don’t know what is it. I currently have 5600x cpu, I don’t think I’ll see big benefit going 5800x+ cpus. Perhaps better off upgrade to 3080Ti?

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Re: 5800x3d or 5900x 5950x

Post by Kyouki » 16 Aug 2022, 08:20

assombrosso wrote:
16 Aug 2022, 07:08
Yeah I set it as 3200mhz to see if it makes any difference with other stuff. Yeah, my pc specs look fine on paper but there is something bad at play here and I don’t know what is it. I currently have 5600x cpu, I don’t think I’ll see big benefit going 5800x+ cpus. Perhaps better off upgrade to 3080Ti?
Would set the memory back, that likely isn't the crash reason. It's that piece of software.
There is indeed little room to upgrade for you, unless you want a bit more cores and threads and getting a tiny boost in cache which will help gaming.

I also feel very little for upgrading a 3070 to a 3080 ti, its maybe max 15-20 fps in highly GPU demanding scenarios which only make sense if you're running 4k or something.
CPU: AMD R7 5800x3D ~ PBO2Tuner -30 ~ no C states
RAM: Gskill Bdie 2x16gb TridentZ Neo ~ CL16-16-16-36 1T ~ fine tuned latency
GPU: ASUS TUF 3080 10G OC Edition(v1/non-LHR) ~ disabled Pstates ~ max oced
OS: Fine tuned Windows 10 Pro, manual tuned.
Monitor: Alienware AW2521H ~ mix of ULMB/Gsync @ 240hz/360hz
More specs: https://kit.co/Kyouki/the-pc-that-stomps-you

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