Can more cores cause lower input lag? And more cpu questions.

[Worstylolzs]

Hello,

story: I want to update my cpu to ryzen 5000 series, but i cant do decision what cpu to buy.
I can buy 5600x what is rly on low cost, but he have 6/12 cores. Then i can buy 5700x what have 8/16. This is real good budget choice, but im scared about cpu Utilization, what can cause horible lags then gpu bound situations. So i dont know if to buy 5600x/5700x or spend more money for 5900x/5950x or just buy 5800x3D.

my setup is: Cpu:intel i7-6700k, MB 270 tomahawk, psu 550w ( i think bronze... some lowcost, must buy new too) gtx 1080 360hz monitor.
Actualy i play cpu bound games like apex legends and WoW, sometimes battlefield 4.

1) Can more cores cause lower input lag in term better stability because don't have 100% cpu utilization all the time ?

2) Is for FPS Gaming more stable to have cpu with 12cores, than 5700x/5800x3D

3) Is cpu utilization rly matter?

4) 4) can i get 100% utilization on ryzen cpus 5700x,5800x/3D when i play on low settings with GTX 1080 and 360hz 1920x1080 monitor?

Thanks for you future answers!

[Kyouki]

Hello,

story: I want to update my cpu to ryzen 5000 series, but i cant do decision what cpu to buy.
I can buy 5600x what is rly on low cost, but he have 6/12 cores. Then i can buy 5700x what have 8/16. This is real good budget choice, but im scared about cpu Utilization, what can cause horible lags then gpu bound situations. So i dont know if to buy 5600x/5700x or spend more money for 5900x/5950x or just buy 5800x3D.

my setup is: Cpu:intel i7-6700k, MB 270 tomahawk, psu 550w ( i think bronze... some lowcost, must buy new too) gtx 1080 360hz monitor.
Actualy i play cpu bound games like apex legends and WoW, sometimes battlefield 4.

1) Can more cores cause lower input lag in term better stability because don't have 100% cpu utilization all the time ?

2) Is for FPS Gaming more stable to have cpu with 12cores, than 5700x/5800x3D

3) Is cpu utilization rly matter?

4) can my old gtx 1080 get 100% utilization from 5600x/5700x and from 5800x3D when i play on low settings and 360 hz 1920x1080 monitor?

Thanks for you future answers!

Ryzen 5800x3D is an excellent gaming CPU, a bit toasty but powerful as hell for gaming. Ryzen's perform best when the infinity fabric (memory lane between the different CCX's to talk to one another) is optimal at around 1800 to be within that 1:1 sweet spot. 5800x3D seems to matter less for this in compared to Ryzen 3000 and 5000. Should be an excellent choice; else you can go with 5600x, a good memory kit at 3600MHz / 1800 Infinity fabric speeds / CL16-ish and also achieve a great gaming experience. This last part is not required as much for the 5800x3D.

1) it can help when you put different tasks on different cores and threads, Interrupt policy and MSI modes. How much it'll help can vary a lot and doing it incorrectly can degrade performances in terms of input latency.

2) That'll depend on game and game engine if they do multithreading properly or not. More often than not still today, only modern titles on modern game engine developed games seem to scale better but not every game. Doing multithreading proper is hard.

3) Personally feel like it is more the GPU who matter in terms of input latency, all CPU does is handle what work the GPU has done. But this will likely depend per game, per game engine, per system.

4) Yes absolutely, I used to have a 2600K @ 5GHz with a 1080 Ti gaming on 1440p and 1080p and both worked great. 1440p helped a bit to push it more towards GPU being used more.

Doing it proper is hard and there are no golden set rules in -what-to-do- and lots of people figured out things that worked for them which might not work for another system. There are no true set-in stone answers that work on everything.
Your milage may vary type of thing.

Personally switched from that i7 2600K to a Ryzen R9 3950x in 2019/begin 2020 when it was still a relative new platform, but I was confident (albeit a bit nervous) in what I saw and happy I made the switch, this CPU has treated me excellent so far with 0 complaints, no issues.

Hope it helps.

[triplese]

I had 3700X and 5600X - 5600X fps in CSGO is slightly better.
Now i have 5950X - almost the same.

[Worstylolzs]

Hello,

story: I want to update my cpu to ryzen 5000 series, but i cant do decision what cpu to buy.
I can buy 5600x what is rly on low cost, but he have 6/12 cores. Then i can buy 5700x what have 8/16. This is real good budget choice, but im scared about cpu Utilization, what can cause horible lags then gpu bound situations. So i dont know if to buy 5600x/5700x or spend more money for 5900x/5950x or just buy 5800x3D.

my setup is: Cpu:intel i7-6700k, MB 270 tomahawk, psu 550w ( i think bronze... some lowcost, must buy new too) gtx 1080 360hz monitor.
Actualy i play cpu bound games like apex legends and WoW, sometimes battlefield 4.

1) Can more cores cause lower input lag in term better stability because don't have 100% cpu utilization all the time ?

2) Is for FPS Gaming more stable to have cpu with 12cores, than 5700x/5800x3D

3) Is cpu utilization rly matter?

4) can my old gtx 1080 get 100% utilization from 5600x/5700x and from 5800x3D when i play on low settings and 360 hz 1920x1080 monitor?

Thanks for you future answers!

Ryzen 5800x3D is an excellent gaming CPU, a bit toasty but powerful as hell for gaming. Ryzen's perform best when the infinity fabric (memory lane between the different CCX's to talk to one another) is optimal at around 1800 to be within that 1:1 sweet spot. 5800x3D seems to matter less for this in compared to Ryzen 3000 and 5000. Should be an excellent choice; else you can go with 5600x, a good memory kit at 3600MHz / 1800 Infinity fabric speeds / CL16-ish and also achieve a great gaming experience. This last part is not required as much for the 5800x3D.

1) it can help when you put different tasks on different cores and threads, Interrupt policy and MSI modes. How much it'll help can vary a lot and doing it incorrectly can degrade performances in terms of input latency.

2) That'll depend on game and game engine if they do multithreading properly or not. More often than not still today, only modern titles on modern game engine developed games seem to scale better but not every game. Doing multithreading proper is hard.

3) Personally feel like it is more the GPU who matter in terms of input latency, all CPU does is handle what work the GPU has done. But this will likely depend per game, per game engine, per system.

4) Yes absolutely, I used to have a 2600K @ 5GHz with a 1080 Ti gaming on 1440p and 1080p and both worked great. 1440p helped a bit to push it more towards GPU being used more.

Doing it proper is hard and there are no golden set rules in -what-to-do- and lots of people figured out things that worked for them which might not work for another system. There are no true set-in stone answers that work on everything.
Your milage may vary type of thing.

Personally switched from that i7 2600K to a Ryzen R9 3950x in 2019/begin 2020 when it was still a relative new platform, but I was confident (albeit a bit nervous) in what I saw and happy I made the switch, this CPU has treated me excellent so far with 0 complaints, no issues.

Hope it helps.

Thanks it help, but now i see question 4 is not specified right. I want to know if my gtx 1080 can create 100% utilization on my CPU. I will repair this question. Anyway right now see some more videos and 5600x is out so now i thinking about 5700x/5800x/5800x3D/5900x.
5950x will be best, but price is still too high so is out too. 5900x have same price like 5800x3D in my country right now.

What is difference between 5900x and 5800x3D? Is better sacrifice some fps and have more cores?

[Kyouki]

Thanks it help, but now i see question 4 is not specified right. I want to know if my gtx 1080 can create 100% utilization on my CPU. I will repair this question. Anyway right now see some more videos and 5600x is out so now i thinking about 5700x/5800x/5800x3D/5900x.
5950x will be best, but price is still too high so is out too. 5900x have same price like 5800x3D in my country right now.

What is difference between 5900x and 5800x3D? Is better sacrifice some fps and have more cores?

I think you're absolutely okay with keep using the still powerful 1080 series, but you can always look for future parts like a 20 or a 30 series that are going for better pricing today. Personally speaking you would gain some but not a lot of improvements unless that specific game really pushes the GPU or uses newer features like RTX, DLSS, etc. 10 series is still good-enough and I came from a 1080 Ti to a 3080 to witness this myself, frame rates haven't drastically changed but I was on a 1080p360hz monitor, which already relies less on the GPU due to pixel count. If you're on a 1440p display you might see more use, and benefits in a better more powerful or recent GPU.
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If you expect to 80% of the time game with your system, pick 5800x3D.
If you expect to do more than just gaming (productivity workloads) pick 5900x or 5800x.

Differences are largely just core and thread count and not performance in the 5000 series with the exception of x3D which boosts single thread (gaming) performance. (but hurts a bit in the productivity area)

[InputLagger]

Actualy i play cpu bound games like apex legends and WoW, sometimes battlefield 4.

hi, do you have input lag or some "lag" problems (lika many people on this forum) with the current configuration? games are buttery smooth and fluid?

[Tuhin Lavania]

Please leave 59XX series out of the choice if you are looking for low input lag. i have a 5950x and i have to disable 8 cores ( 1 CCD ) to get acceptable latency.
Never again buying AMD. Intel will always have lower latency averages than AMD. I have the 13900k and 4090 ordered for my new PC, lets see what it brings in terms of input lag.

[Kyouki]

Please leave 59XX series out of the choice if you are looking for low input lag. i have a 5950x and i have to disable 8 cores ( 1 CCD ) to get acceptable latency.
Never again buying AMD. Intel will always have lower latency averages than AMD. I have the 13900k and 4090 ordered for my new PC, lets see what it brings in terms of input lag.

Really isn't so bad unless you unluckily got the application on wrong cores and threads (Process Lasso can help)
https://www.anandtech.com/show/16214/am ... x-tested/5

[triplese]

Please leave 59XX series out of the choice if you are looking for low input lag. i have a 5950x and i have to disable 8 cores ( 1 CCD ) to get acceptable latency.
Never again buying AMD. Intel will always have lower latency averages than AMD. I have the 13900k and 4090 ordered for my new PC, lets see what it brings in terms of input lag.

What latencies do you measured?
I had 5600x and now 5950x - any popular benchmarks demonstrating +\- same latency.
I dont believe that you can see ~50 nanoseconds difference while playing with 2 CCD or on 1 CCD. Internet can cause way bigger lags than nanoseconds intercore latency

[Worstylolzs]

Actualy i play cpu bound games like apex legends and WoW, sometimes battlefield 4.

hi, do you have input lag or some "lag" problems (lika many people on this forum) with the current configuration? games are buttery smooth and fluid?

In my opinion yes. When i play apex, i got feel to have lag all times in firing actions mean stress situations, when you 1v1 or sometimes when i "tracking" fire someone. It's not same smooth like when i looking at the streamers. I try check utilization on my CPU and i got between 70-100% so it's reason i think there is the problem. I use process lasso what help a little but still i can see how after half hour play my graph show some cores what hit 100% still after the proces lasso optimalization. But how i say, its only my feeling and one graph. I don't have any good testing methods. If you got someone i can try it. But in other way, apex legends has rly bad engine and if i try to play minecraft, its smooth AF. But on minecraft my cpus is bored on 30%... sooo....

Wow is smooth but only for some FPS. If im near 100 fps i got not smooth screen but IDK now what CPU utilization i got when i have 100FPS.


But you say same problems like ppl on forum. I experienced how can do cable to PSU different. I bought maybe 6 cables with different brand and with some cables i got feel like my eyes are more hurt and it's not so smooth like on last one what i use now. So IDK it that means my cables are bad or if that means PSU is broken. But again, its only my feeling testing, i dont have any proof how to show you.

Whole point of this topic is to open debate if can more cores help to smoother/lower input lag experience and help my to do decision what cpu to buy. If it's on bad forum, i will ask moderators to change forum of this topic.