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Re: Input lag tweaks for amd/amd set-up

Post by imprecise » 10 Dec 2022, 03:57

Sebichek45 wrote:
10 Dec 2022, 01:32
imprecise wrote:
09 Dec 2022, 15:19
Sebichek45 wrote:
05 Dec 2022, 23:07
- receive/transmit - 1024/2048
BIOS:
XMP - enabled
I've been experimenting with receive/transmit in Rocket League and other games. Default is 128/512 on my adapter. I switched to 128/128 when I noticed a lot of out-of-order actions and immediately noticed a more consistent experience. I tested 32/512 and noticed lots of pause/burst action online, where server and client would desync and then catch back up.

I see you have a 2.5gbps port, but it's unlikely you're using the full 2.5gbps. I would recommend setting to 1gbit and then lowering to receive/transmit to 128/128. Do this all together and test to see if you notice a difference. If you are using the 2.5gbps, I would still recommend trying this to see if there's a difference.

XMP: I recommend turning it off until you find a smooth experience, and then experiment with turning it back on. Most RAM does not do well with it.

*Oops I mixed up this thread with another one, edited wording on XMP.*

Isn’t buffers supposed to be the higher the better but more memory consumption? Also I’ve tried 128/128 and it was ok. Now, I am trying 512/512 if its better.
Having a large buffer is efficient for large files, but in online games we're dealing with small file sizes that need to be updated quickly.

Watching HD video = larger packets = having a large buffer means less work for the CPU and network components, because the video will fill each buffer and send fewer packets overall. Playing games = smaller packets, a small movement might not fill a buffer completely, could get delayed in processing. Going too low could cause too many packet splits and cause increased load on cpu and network components. The best settings will likely vary by game, hardware, and software configurations.

I've found 128/128 to work very well in CSGO/UE4 games. When it was on default 128/512 it seemed like maybe 20% of the time things wouldn't happen in the right order in game. When I set it to 128/128, it seemed to fix this problem. I was able to change the settings while in-game without losing connection, but it does reset the network adapter. I tried 96/96 for a bit but things just didn't feel quite right. I later tested with the 32(min)/512(max) in Rocket League and noticed a lot of desyncs. Please let me know how the 512/512 compares, or if you can tell.

You might be interested in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHBMxOPAqWc

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Re: Input lag tweaks for amd/amd set-up

Post by Sebichek45 » 11 Dec 2022, 02:15

imprecise wrote:
10 Dec 2022, 03:57
Sebichek45 wrote:
10 Dec 2022, 01:32
imprecise wrote:
09 Dec 2022, 15:19
Sebichek45 wrote:
05 Dec 2022, 23:07
- receive/transmit - 1024/2048
BIOS:
XMP - enabled
I've been experimenting with receive/transmit in Rocket League and other games. Default is 128/512 on my adapter. I switched to 128/128 when I noticed a lot of out-of-order actions and immediately noticed a more consistent experience. I tested 32/512 and noticed lots of pause/burst action online, where server and client would desync and then catch back up.

I see you have a 2.5gbps port, but it's unlikely you're using the full 2.5gbps. I would recommend setting to 1gbit and then lowering to receive/transmit to 128/128. Do this all together and test to see if you notice a difference. If you are using the 2.5gbps, I would still recommend trying this to see if there's a difference.

XMP: I recommend turning it off until you find a smooth experience, and then experiment with turning it back on. Most RAM does not do well with it.

*Oops I mixed up this thread with another one, edited wording on XMP.*

Isn’t buffers supposed to be the higher the better but more memory consumption? Also I’ve tried 128/128 and it was ok. Now, I am trying 512/512 if its better.
Having a large buffer is efficient for large files, but in online games we're dealing with small file sizes that need to be updated quickly.

Watching HD video = larger packets = having a large buffer means less work for the CPU and network components, because the video will fill each buffer and send fewer packets overall. Playing games = smaller packets, a small movement might not fill a buffer completely, could get delayed in processing. Going too low could cause too many packet splits and cause increased load on cpu and network components. The best settings will likely vary by game, hardware, and software configurations.

I've found 128/128 to work very well in CSGO/UE4 games. When it was on default 128/512 it seemed like maybe 20% of the time things wouldn't happen in the right order in game. When I set it to 128/128, it seemed to fix this problem. I was able to change the settings while in-game without losing connection, but it does reset the network adapter. I tried 96/96 for a bit but things just didn't feel quite right. I later tested with the 32(min)/512(max) in Rocket League and noticed a lot of desyncs. Please let me know how the 512/512 compares, or if you can tell.

You might be interested in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHBMxOPAqWc

Hello, I’ve tried 128/128 and 512/512. I don’t feel much difference really, however 128/128 in a high ping server (60+ ping) caused me to “feel” delayed in some scenarios. Definitely, haven’t tested a lot of games or anything like that so take it with a bit of salt.

Both haven’t caused any packet loss issues during gameplay.

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Re: Input lag tweaks for amd/amd set-up

Post by Sebichek45 » 11 Dec 2022, 04:06

FPSMaster wrote:
09 Dec 2022, 17:36
Sebichek45 wrote:
09 Dec 2022, 09:59
FPSMaster wrote:
09 Dec 2022, 06:51
Sebichek45 wrote:
08 Dec 2022, 20:55



so I should disable spread spectrum and lock cpu clock in bios?
Really no reason to disable it. There are tests shown that it doesnt even increase lag by sub millisecond numbers. Just lock your CPU clock speeds and enable Spread Spectrum. Just to be safe from CPU Emi.

Okay thanks. Also if it helps, my pc “feels” smoother at night. Does that mean anything? How can I check if it actually is? Can I run an app that can also check why stutters happen?

I noticed while playing valorant in native capped at 300, it usually drops to ~290ish for no reason even when I’m just stading still. When I tried to make my gpu work by setting msaa 2x or aa 4x it felt just a bit less stuttery.
Just use Riva Tuner Statistics Server (RTSS) to show your GPU Usage, CPU Usage, Temps, FPS and Frametimes in Game.
Because you wrote youre experiencing stutters. Just see if there are big stutter spikes. Note that every System get stutters, but the question is, how abnormal they are.
You also wrote that you get stutters even when standing still in valorant. A drop from 300-290 isn't bad, but its not optimal.
Maybe Valorant has a bad Frame Limiter which doesn't consistently cap your FPS to a flat number. (Many games have bad Frame Limiters, even AAA titles) Try capping your FPS trough RTSS and see if the Problem still persists.
Also of course is your game installed on an SSD?

Funny thing I can’t open valorant if msi afterburner/rtss is running. Also I want to try disabling hpet but won’t it mess with the timers even more? I’ve read somewhere where it says that the fps you see when hpet is disabled is “bugged” since windows timer

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Re: Input lag tweaks for amd/amd set-up

Post by Slender » 16 Jan 2023, 22:33

MegaMelmek wrote:
06 Dec 2022, 12:04
There is one big improvement - get INTEL bro!!
yes, buy intel
get broken timer res, high c2c latency, acpi system timer, and 100500 e-cores.

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Re: Input lag tweaks for amd/amd set-up

Post by Slender » 19 Jan 2023, 07:26

thizito wrote:
19 Jan 2023, 00:37
Slender wrote:
16 Jan 2023, 22:33
MegaMelmek wrote:
06 Dec 2022, 12:04
There is one big improvement - get INTEL bro!!
yes, buy intel
get broken timer res, high c2c latency, acpi system timer, and 100500 e-cores.
https://miro.medium.com/max/1400/1*ix08 ... h84vQ.jpeg
https://www.reddit.com/r/ASUS/comments/ ... mer_issue/

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Re: Input lag tweaks for amd/amd set-up

Post by zeasty » 29 Apr 2023, 01:48

Sebichek45 wrote:
09 Dec 2022, 10:07
Also, I have locked my gpu clocks using msi afterburner and morepowertool. Amd gpus have issues in valorant because it doesnt utilize much of the gpu. It goes from 800 - 1500mhz consistently so I just kept it at 1600. I raised poower limit and made fans in auto mode.
it fixed the input lag problem?
can you share some tutorial to do the same?
i have 6600xt paires with 5600x
high fps but shoppy gameplay with inputlag

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Re: Input lag tweaks for amd/amd set-up

Post by Sebichek45 » 29 Apr 2023, 11:08

zeasty wrote:
29 Apr 2023, 01:48
Sebichek45 wrote:
09 Dec 2022, 10:07
Also, I have locked my gpu clocks using msi afterburner and morepowertool. Amd gpus have issues in valorant because it doesnt utilize much of the gpu. It goes from 800 - 1500mhz consistently so I just kept it at 1600. I raised poower limit and made fans in auto mode.
it fixed the input lag problem?
can you share some tutorial to do the same?
i have 6600xt paires with 5600x
high fps but shoppy gameplay with inputlag
Yeah havent fixed the input lag still trying a lot of fixes though.

If you are talking about how to lock the core clock of your gpu so you don’t downclock then I believe fr33thy has a youtube video on it and also calypto has a document guide on it (just search it).

Personally, what I did takes too much time so I don’t advise you to the same (just do calypto’s guide tbh)

Make sure you have restore points or have a way to revert things to normal.

what i did:

1. full install amd driver, set clock to -100 of max gpu core clock and make voltage stable

2. apply the profile and use msi afterburner to save the settings to the msi profiles.

3. uninstall driver using ddu and install minimal driver

4. apply msi profile and disable ulps

5. install morepowertool, get bios from gpuz, load it to mpt and disable all the ds_ in the feature settings, write sppt and restart

6. check using hwinfo if locked frequency is working.


If u want amd gpu tweaks I suggest u go find ramenrider post/guide or go to reputable forums like toms hardware, guru3d, blurbusters, and overclocking net.


Make sure you research also what you are trying to do as most of the posts are like from 2020.

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Re: Input lag tweaks for amd/amd set-up

Post by RamenRider » 05 May 2023, 02:00

Sebichek45 wrote:
29 Apr 2023, 11:08
what i did:

5. install morepowertool, get bios from gpuz, load it to mpt and disable all the ds_ in the feature settings, write sppt and restart

6. check using hwinfo if locked frequency is working.


If u want amd gpu tweaks I suggest u go find ramenrider post/guide or go to reputable forums like toms hardware, guru3d, blurbusters, and overclocking net.

Make sure you research also what you are trying to do as most of the posts are like from 2020.
Thanks for reminding me I need to fix them.

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Re: Input lag tweaks for amd/amd set-up

Post by Coldplayer » 05 May 2023, 22:04

What powerplan do you guys think is best for zen 4? Upon reading people are saying the best is the windows balanced plan because the AMD chipset drivers install a ryzen plan.

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Re: Input lag tweaks for amd/amd set-up

Post by dannyoceanic » 08 May 2023, 12:49

Sebichek45 wrote:
09 Dec 2022, 10:07
Also, I have locked my gpu clocks using msi afterburner and morepowertool. Amd gpus have issues in valorant because it doesnt utilize much of the gpu. It goes from 800 - 1500mhz consistently so I just kept it at 1600. I raised poower limit and made fans in auto mode.
Hello mate, Im playing valorant as well and game seems so inconsistent at times.
Did clocking your mhz at 1600 help run the game smoother ?
So far I have tried many things and nothing really helped to make this game run better

My setup:
rtx 3080, Ryzen 7 5800X3D and the game is running on a M2

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