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Heavy mouse feeling

Post by Airon » 10 Mar 2023, 06:40

Hello!

I have experienced over 4 years that the mouse feels heavy in CSGO. Mouse does not feel snappy and this comes over time. Many people believe that this has electrical causes, but that is not my case as I have tried my PC in 15 different places around the country (Norway). Mouse feels imprecise and feels like you have a dead zone that is similar to a puddle. I have 20 years of experience with PCs and have tried to make many tweaks within BIOS, Regedit, Bcdedit, Gpedit.msc etc. I have had 7 different PCs throughout 2022 with different motherboards from all the different manufacturers, both AMD and Intel. I have replaced EVERYTHING! That would also mean video cards, monitors, ram, power supplies, mouse, keyboard, external network cards and sound cards, 3 different ISP’s. I have tried high quality UPS, power filters and I can say right away that it has nothing to do with the electrical or hardware! I've even had electricians here re-run tests with a device to monitor what happens when things are good and not good.

To my question:

When I have a discord stream or a youtube movie running in the background while I play, the mouse is ABSOLUTELY perfect. The entire gaming experience is completely changed. Screen is VERY clean, Why??? There is no screen tearing, heavy mouse, the mouse is snappy and everything is 100% good. If I turn off the discord stream, things are just as bad again after 1 minute. It should be said that when things are good, I watch someone else's discord stream. I have tried time resolutions, hardware acceleration both on and off, but this makes no difference. I've tried monitoring which resources are running when things are good and when things are bad, but can't see any changes. I suspected at first that it might have something to do with interupts, but I have brown MSI Tool to enter variable interupts, but this is not the cause. The same problem happens if I stop using the mouse for 40 seconds and then start using it again, the mouse is perfectly fine and snappy, but gets heavier and heavier over time (1 minute). Why??

The only thing I wonder is why the mouse is perfect, and the game experience 100% good when I look at someone else's discord stream while playing? Its like when i use my mouse when things is good, i can shake it with 0 deadzone and its very fast.

Are there any clever minds out there who have an explanation for this, and how it can be solved?

And yes, i have mouse acceleration turned off, and high power plan activated.

Thank you in advance🙏🏼

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Re: Heavy mouse feeling

Post by Chief Blur Buster » 13 Mar 2023, 01:55

Try...
- Power management settings (graphics, CPU, USB). Try to peg the CPU to 100% minimum in Performance Mode
- Use single monitor mode + fullscreen exclusive only. Multimonitor adds nasty latency interference effects.
- If you are using VRR, always use a VRR range bigger than framerate range. Cap as needed, or if you hate capping, buy more Hz so your framerates organically breathes inside VRR range. There's a mouse latency-change effect when framerates gyrates past the VRR min/max, so avoid that by having a VRR range bigger than your framerate range.
- Switch sync technologies.
- Try RTSS frame rate capping as a workaround, it often "smoothes" mouse latency.
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Re: Heavy mouse feeling

Post by boomlegshot » 13 Mar 2023, 08:49

Had similar feeling with a g403 once but then i changed to a g203 and it was fine, now on a g305 still fine.

One thing you can try if you haven't already is: through search bar go to Control Panel>Ease of Access>Change how your mouse works>Set up mouse keys> Acceleration

a different setting from enhance pointer precision

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Re: Heavy mouse feeling

Post by worthfreethrow » 14 Mar 2023, 03:53

If you haven't previously, you might want to try going to Control Panel > Ease of Access. Alter the mouse's operation> Install mouse keys. Acceleration eggy car

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Re: Heavy mouse feeling

Post by imprecise » 14 Mar 2023, 06:24

Airon wrote:
10 Mar 2023, 06:40
To my question:

When I have a discord stream or a youtube movie running in the background while I play, the mouse is ABSOLUTELY perfect. The entire gaming experience is completely changed. Screen is VERY clean, Why??? There is no screen tearing, heavy mouse, the mouse is snappy and everything is 100% good. If I turn off the discord stream, things are just as bad again after 1 minute. It should be said that when things are good, I watch someone else's discord stream. I have tried time resolutions, hardware acceleration both on and off, but this makes no difference. I've tried monitoring which resources are running when things are good and when things are bad, but can't see any changes. I suspected at first that it might have something to do with interupts, but I have brown MSI Tool to enter variable interupts, but this is not the cause. The same problem happens if I stop using the mouse for 40 seconds and then start using it again, the mouse is perfectly fine and snappy, but gets heavier and heavier over time (1 minute). Why??
This sounds like Core Parking to me. Keeping the load high prevents the cores from going into parked mode, so they don't have to wake up when they're needed.

Efficacy of Disabling Core Parking
Empirical evidence shows that disabling CPU core parking can make a tangible improvement in system performance. There are many factors that will determine precisely how effective it will be for a given situation. However, generally, Windows is too aggressive in its core parking, resulting in high latency during bursting CPU loads, stemming from the overhead of having to unpark CPU cores. Since bursting CPU loads are the most common type for many workloads, core parking can be a substantial drag on system performance and responsiveness.

https://bitsum.com/parkcontrol/

I just put up a new guide that I think will help with your issue. Power savings in Device Manager could be the cause:
viewtopic.php?t=11799
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Re: Heavy mouse feeling

Post by assombrosso » 14 Mar 2023, 06:40

This is beyond bizzare , what about mouse after windows reinstall ? Is it also bad ? What about different mouse ? Net cafe ?

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Re: Heavy mouse feeling

Post by holiday » 15 Mar 2023, 08:25

https://www.mouse-sensitivity.com/forum ... es/page/3/

here you go problem explained and fixed!

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Re: Heavy mouse feeling

Post by jorimt » 16 Mar 2023, 15:35

holiday wrote:
15 Mar 2023, 08:25
https://www.mouse-sensitivity.com/forum ... es/page/3/

here you go problem explained and fixed!
This sounds pretty much the same as the well known MarkC fix from years back:
http://donewmouseaccel.blogspot.com/201 ... n-fix.html
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Re: Heavy mouse feeling

Post by holiday » 17 Mar 2023, 13:09

jorimt wrote:
16 Mar 2023, 15:35
holiday wrote:
15 Mar 2023, 08:25
https://www.mouse-sensitivity.com/forum ... es/page/3/

here you go problem explained and fixed!
This sounds pretty much the same as the well known MarkC fix from years back:
http://donewmouseaccel.blogspot.com/201 ... n-fix.html
No, markC set the binary’s to achieve a linear curve so there is no accel.

Since csgo use the smoothmousecurves somehow markC won’t work. You have to set all binary’s to 00.

Also the cpl or cheese mousefix won’t work (I know they are for wind xp) I used them for testing cause different binary values gives you a different mousefeeling.
That’s why ppl say win7 sens is different from 8, 10 and 11 in csgo.

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Re: Heavy mouse feeling

Post by jorimt » 17 Mar 2023, 13:22

holiday wrote:
17 Mar 2023, 13:09
No, markC set the binary’s to achieve a linear curve so there is no accel.

Since csgo use the smoothmousecurves somehow markC won’t work. You have to set all binary’s to 00.

Also the cpl or cheese mousefix won’t work (I know they are for wind xp) I used them for testing cause different binary values gives you a different mousefeeling.
That’s why ppl say win7 sens is different from 8, 10 and 11 in csgo.
Replace the "pretty much the same" from my original reply with "similar" then. I haven't used the MarkC fix for years myself because I assumed it wouldn't necessarily work as intended in the very latest versions of Windows 10 and 11 anyway.

I merely glanced at the post you linked and thought it looked very similar to the MarkC fix. The fact any of this has be considered to achieve true raw input in CS:GO on modern operating system is silly, for sure. The game needs an engine update.
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