It's over.

[chandler]

I have a Latency Tool and I found out, 90% of all the tweaks are placebo. Human mind can actually easily add 50ms of "placebo lag".

Just debloat windows (Uninstall all useless AppxPackages, Apps), disable all power saving features, set interrupt affinities, set devices to msi mode, disable memory compression and never let your GPU reach over 95% Usage.

Hardware is the biggest factor, NOT tweaking your OS. Sadly most people here don't understand this. I saw people complaining about lag, when they were playing on a GT 1030 paired with a old I3 dual core CPU and a 60hz office monitor and thaught tweaking windows would give them god tier responses... there is a clear line, of when it gonna get unplayable based on hardware.

The biggest problem is, that nobody really tested most of the tweaks (except couple of youtubers) and people claim to have fixed things, based on their feels. While in reality, most of these tweaks don't even reduce lag by 1ms. Not even 0.5ms.... that just shows the power of placebo and how it influences human reaction times.

Since I confirmed that tweaking windows maybe improves 5% of the lag in the whole input lag chain, I understood that most of this stuff is placebo.

You say that is hardware, but there are many cases, you'll find on here, where people's old machines perform way better (ie no input lag/desync) than their newer ones. It's really odd.

But at the same time, these people NEVER tested their systems.

There is no logical explenation for why this would happen. The only thing could be, that they have some kind of compatibility issue. Maybe they used a incompatible ram kit with their CPU and mobo. Maybe they used a bad power supply. Maybe they used a bad CPU in combination with a high end GPU. Most of the stuff is user skill issue or incompatibility.

Of course there could also be some kind of driver issues, but that also mostly happens due to data corruption or a bad windows install, and not because of the hardware. Out of the box, windows does a pretty good job in finding the best drivers for your hardware.

If I understood you correctly, you're saying old hardware can outperform new hardware, which doesn't seem right at all and if it really does, it is because of the end user and/or incompatibility.

that is true, i have second pc 144hz (8700k 1060 z370) in same room and it gives me better feel of input then my z790 13700k 3070ti 360hz

it doesnt make ANY sense to be honest..

[Slender]

You say that is hardware, but there are many cases, you'll find on here, where people's old machines perform way better (ie no input lag/desync) than their newer ones. It's really odd.

But at the same time, these people NEVER tested their systems.

There is no logical explenation for why this would happen. The only thing could be, that they have some kind of compatibility issue. Maybe they used a incompatible ram kit with their CPU and mobo. Maybe they used a bad power supply. Maybe they used a bad CPU in combination with a high end GPU. Most of the stuff is user skill issue or incompatibility.

Of course there could also be some kind of driver issues, but that also mostly happens due to data corruption or a bad windows install, and not because of the hardware. Out of the box, windows does a pretty good job in finding the best drivers for your hardware.

If I understood you correctly, you're saying old hardware can outperform new hardware, which doesn't seem right at all and if it really does, it is because of the end user and/or incompatibility.

that is true, i have second pc 144hz (8700k 1060 z370) in same room and it gives me better feel of input then my z790 13700k 3070ti 360hz

it doesnt make ANY sense to be honest..

that real, i want buy back my old 9700kf asus z390 board and 1080ti card (i think 2080ti with type-c port is gold). Idk why but sometimes 144hz smoother then my xl2566k

[giggio10]

You say that is hardware, but there are many cases, you'll find on here, where people's old machines perform way better (ie no input lag/desync) than their newer ones. It's really odd.

But at the same time, these people NEVER tested their systems.

There is no logical explenation for why this would happen. The only thing could be, that they have some kind of compatibility issue. Maybe they used a incompatible ram kit with their CPU and mobo. Maybe they used a bad power supply. Maybe they used a bad CPU in combination with a high end GPU. Most of the stuff is user skill issue or incompatibility.

Of course there could also be some kind of driver issues, but that also mostly happens due to data corruption or a bad windows install, and not because of the hardware. Out of the box, windows does a pretty good job in finding the best drivers for your hardware.

If I understood you correctly, you're saying old hardware can outperform new hardware, which doesn't seem right at all and if it really does, it is because of the end user and/or incompatibility.

that is true, i have second pc 144hz (8700k 1060 z370) in same room and it gives me better feel of input then my z790 13700k 3070ti 360hz

it doesnt make ANY sense to be honest..

doesn't make sense but it is just true, my 1060ti with i5 7400 had no problems whatsoever, it all started when i bought this prebuilt (3060ti, i7 10700, h410m-e).

[cursed-gamer]

But at the same time, these people NEVER tested their systems.

There is no logical explenation for why this would happen. The only thing could be, that they have some kind of compatibility issue. Maybe they used a incompatible ram kit with their CPU and mobo. Maybe they used a bad power supply. Maybe they used a bad CPU in combination with a high end GPU. Most of the stuff is user skill issue or incompatibility.

Of course there could also be some kind of driver issues, but that also mostly happens due to data corruption or a bad windows install, and not because of the hardware. Out of the box, windows does a pretty good job in finding the best drivers for your hardware.

If I understood you correctly, you're saying old hardware can outperform new hardware, which doesn't seem right at all and if it really does, it is because of the end user and/or incompatibility.

that is true, i have second pc 144hz (8700k 1060 z370) in same room and it gives me better feel of input then my z790 13700k 3070ti 360hz

it doesnt make ANY sense to be honest..

that real, i want buy back my old 9700kf asus z390 board and 1080ti card (i think 2080ti with type-c port is gold). Idk why but sometimes 144hz smoother then my xl2566k

Do you play on the same steam account on both PCs?

[akylen]

You say that is hardware, but there are many cases, you'll find on here, where people's old machines perform way better (ie no input lag/desync) than their newer ones. It's really odd.

But at the same time, these people NEVER tested their systems.

There is no logical explenation for why this would happen. The only thing could be, that they have some kind of compatibility issue. Maybe they used a incompatible ram kit with their CPU and mobo. Maybe they used a bad power supply. Maybe they used a bad CPU in combination with a high end GPU. Most of the stuff is user skill issue or incompatibility.

Of course there could also be some kind of driver issues, but that also mostly happens due to data corruption or a bad windows install, and not because of the hardware. Out of the box, windows does a pretty good job in finding the best drivers for your hardware.

If I understood you correctly, you're saying old hardware can outperform new hardware, which doesn't seem right at all and if it really does, it is because of the end user and/or incompatibility.

that is true, i have second pc 144hz (8700k 1060 z370) in same room and it gives me better feel of input then my z790 13700k 3070ti 360hz

it doesnt make ANY sense to be honest..

We're past things making any sense , but its reality

[FPSMaster]

But at the same time, these people NEVER tested their systems.

There is no logical explenation for why this would happen. The only thing could be, that they have some kind of compatibility issue. Maybe they used a incompatible ram kit with their CPU and mobo. Maybe they used a bad power supply. Maybe they used a bad CPU in combination with a high end GPU. Most of the stuff is user skill issue or incompatibility.

Of course there could also be some kind of driver issues, but that also mostly happens due to data corruption or a bad windows install, and not because of the hardware. Out of the box, windows does a pretty good job in finding the best drivers for your hardware.

If I understood you correctly, you're saying old hardware can outperform new hardware, which doesn't seem right at all and if it really does, it is because of the end user and/or incompatibility.

that is true, i have second pc 144hz (8700k 1060 z370) in same room and it gives me better feel of input then my z790 13700k 3070ti 360hz

it doesnt make ANY sense to be honest..

We're past things making any sense , but its reality

How do you know if it is "reality" if you didn't conduct any tests? Again, alot can be just placebo, which 90% of the nonsense tweaks are.

[akylen]

that is true, i have second pc 144hz (8700k 1060 z370) in same room and it gives me better feel of input then my z790 13700k 3070ti 360hz

it doesnt make ANY sense to be honest..

We're past things making any sense , but its reality

How do you know if it is "reality" if you didn't conduct any tests? Again, alot can be just placebo, which 90% of the nonsense tweaks are.

I never talked about tweaks. I personally think windows tweaks don't change anything , not for the problem i have anyway.

For my own sake i did some test with anything i could , but FOR me , in my own case , it always comes up at the only thing i can't do , moving out (electricity)

But the same problem we all have its a reality that he's there. Not some placebo bs.

[Slender]

that is true, i have second pc 144hz (8700k 1060 z370) in same room and it gives me better feel of input then my z790 13700k 3070ti 360hz

it doesnt make ANY sense to be honest..

that real, i want buy back my old 9700kf asus z390 board and 1080ti card (i think 2080ti with type-c port is gold). Idk why but sometimes 144hz smoother then my xl2566k

Do you play on the same steam account on both PCs?

steam account not affect

[Slender]

that is true, i have second pc 144hz (8700k 1060 z370) in same room and it gives me better feel of input then my z790 13700k 3070ti 360hz

it doesnt make ANY sense to be honest..

We're past things making any sense , but its reality

How do you know if it is "reality" if you didn't conduct any tests? Again, alot can be just placebo, which 90% of the nonsense tweaks are.

thats not tweaks, that is hardware