You are clearly clueless and ignorant and i should never reply to people like you, but there might be lurkers here and they might actually learn something, so here we go again...
lexlazootin wrote:
No one on this planet has tested this wide spread phenomena that is effecting all of these CS players since the 2000...
Even if someone wanted to test it, it would not be easy, read my last 2 posts and you will know why, i have explained it thoroughly. It is not as simple as testing cpu, gpu, ram or monitor/mouse input lag. Besides it doesn't affect everyone, just a certain % of people. And no one said it is happening since 2000, in my case it started happening in ~2004, when more and more people were getting connected to the internet in my city and my area (on the same/old/cables infrastructure).
lexlazootin wrote:
So the problem isn't measurable, but you can see and feel the changes. I've been to a few of those 'spiritual body mind' fairs and this is very similar talk when they try and sell you one of their healing crystals.
No, it is not measurable, at least not by the kind of brain like yours apparently. I have also explained why you can't really measure it (at least not by normal measuring standards and practices via score/graph), but you seem to completely ignore the things i explained. You have no control over your connection and what is happening on the other side (outside your home), so you can't isolate it and test it the way you think.
The closest i came to the scientific study (
) with the limited resources i had is this:
I was gaming during an important national football match when the whole country was watching the game (in home, in bars, on jumbotrons/jumbovision in big cities)... In this scenario you can safely assume, without shadow of a doubt, that the internet in the whole country could catch a breath and there was no chance that ISP's network was overloaded. And ? My hit registration was almost perfect, and all other problems have disappeard, my reaction time was elite (as it should be) and i probably had the best gaming experience from my home in years. This all happened without my ping changing at all, and with interleaving and error correction enabled (according to my router). I have tested it few more times in the next few months, and it has become clear to me, less network usage in your area/city at any given time = the better gaming experience and hit registration you will have.
It also has been proven many times before... when you have higher packet priority (and/or lower error correction algorithms) in your ISP's network in relation to other people in your area, the problem is either vastly reduced or is becoming a non-issue. Basically as soon as you can avoid network congestion you are fine. This is also why in the past people were chasing after FAST PATH mode and/or SNR manipulation techniques in modems/routers in hopes of changing interleaving depth profile on their connection. There was quite a lot of talk about this in the fps gaming world, but you are probably to young to realize this.
Also, the curse for fps gamers became a DLM that is being used in ADSL/VDSL connections, it increases delays and interleaving depth on the connection. It basically increases delays and stability and this negatively impacts games where UDP packets are time sensite and fast and proper delivery is essential. In the past you could have asked your ISP to reset the DLM and for ~3-7 days you could enjoy perfect hit registration and gaming experience.
If you don't know these things it means that that you are too young and i should really stop wasting my time on you.
lexlazootin wrote:
Do you have one of these twenty vague and nondescript issues? Well it your internet.
You can't measure it because it is not software/hardware related. You can't isolate the internet for yourself. People have tried everything for years and still no one has found a solution ? How so ? It is because they were looking at the wrong thing, and completely disregarded another. And everyone experiences everything differently, and is affected by certain things/changes differently. The same reason why for some people think 60fps@60Hz is perfect/good enough, same reason why some people are bothered by stutter, some are bothered by tearing, other are bothered by strobbing... etc. This is why people are explaning this problem in different words, because of their experience and focus on certain things differs.
You also seem to despite the words i am using "you can see it and feel it, but its hard to describe". It is hard to describe because the situation is not constant and it changes all the time, problem randomly appears and disappears. And as far as seeing and feeling:
- you can see and feel the difference going from 60Hz>144Hz>240Hz
- you can see and feel the difference going from 100fps>200fps>400fps>600fps
- you can see and feel the difference when you change the sensitivity of your mouse
- you can see and feel the difference when you change your mouse
- you can see and feel the difference when using G-SYNC vs V-SYNC OFF
- you can see and feel the difference when using V-SYNC @ 60Hz vs V-SYNC @ 480Hz
- you can see and feel the difference between strobing vs non strobing mode
- you can see and feel the you are getting ping spikes or huge packet loss
So why is it that hard for you to understand that the same thing applies to the in-game performance and the problem people are experiencing ? They can only make a comparison to something else, so the third person can get a vague idea how this problems looks and feels like.
You clearly lack experience in this area, and you have never seen and experienced this problem first hand, so in reality you have no business being part of this thread. There are of course more people like you that are providing false and incorrect information to other people, unintentionally of course (when only trying to help).
lexlazootin wrote:So you're saying that people are jittering through the battlefield and are confusing it with FPS issues...
You still think that this problem is somewhat constant, it IS NOT. It appears randomly and goes away randomly.
No one said that they confuse it with FPS issues, i only said that you may compare it to FPS drop like feeling WITHOUT acutall FPS dropping.
lexlazootin wrote:If it would be just a massive fps drop / hz drop, then you would be able to get used to it (predictability factor) and play around it
I don't even... There is just so many small things wrong with the whole theory that i just can't.
See, you prove my point again and again. I have seen and known many elite players in the early days, and many of them never had good PC's, and yet they were able to perform at the highest level despite having fps issues. Same goes for people in the early days that were going and playing from internet cafes (these were really popular long time ago), people were playing on different PCs and monitors all the time (including different mouses/keyboards) and back then everyone was forced to adapt quickly to the PC specs you were using at any given time. But you can't do anything when you are being bottlenecked by your inet connection, because it is the most important thing when it comes to playing online. Pro player still can play on elite level on ancient pc/monitor while using not his own mouse/keyboard but he will not be able to do that same thing when being skill capped by poorly performing inet connection.
You don't know these things because you are clearly clueless.
lexlazootin wrote:
People are not perfect, sometimes are reactions are quick, and sometimes they are slow, sometimes we win every game, sometimes we can go weeks without doing well. But when we are not doing so well we like to blame others or even our internet connection instead of taking responsibility. it makes us feel better if we have a excuse, it makes it not our fault.
And you spit pseudo knowledge once again...
If you do something long enough for long periods of time you became good at it. Same goes for gaming. You know when something feels perfect and just right, and you can clearly see and feel when you are getting ping spikes/teleports, without a need of checking your ping. Same goes for big packet loss, you can see, feel and even hear it (cause of missing sounds) ! Same goes for cheaters, if you are good and you have great knowledge and understanding of the game you can clearly see and spot cheaters (non obvious ones) without actually watching a player. The point is, no one is blaming anyone or issuing false claims, you can see and feel when your performance suffers because of network congestion and network performance fluctuations. You just cant go from destroying everyone (regardless of their skill) to struggling with avarage/low skilled players, it just never doesn't happen. And especially not when you are getting input lag like problems, delays, laggy feeling (accurate mouse movement / recoil control) etc. And you can actually see and feel certain changes affecting your in-game experience (i gave you a list above) and you can easily spot when there is something wrong happening in your game that should never happen.
You are unable to grasp and understand the problem, because you have never experienced it yourself.