very interesting stuff here, so again a bit of a long post here from me, first want to ask Chief about one specific thing:
Chief Blur Buster wrote: ↑
24 Mar 2020, 21:25
It's just cheaper to spend money on a high-rated power conditioner (with voltage regulation) with true sine-wave AC. The kind that can keep voltage high during brownouts. The kind that isolates power from power. Even a $500 to $1000 power conditioner is cheaper than the money you spend on some professional datacenter-grade electricians (the type Google and Facebook hires) to troubleshoot weird issues that most electricians don't even know how to troubleshoot. Do not skimp on a basic power conditioner. The $100 and $200 units will not always be good enough. Get one with good batteries, good voltage regulation that is brownout-proof and good sinewave AC. Many computer problems mysteriously magically disappear with a great top-of-the-line power conditioner.
just want to ask you Chief if "true sine-wave AC" power conditioner that you mention, is this the same as a double conversion UPS or power conditioner, or they have nothing to do with each other? as I was reading a bit on this subject and thought that a double conversion is the same as isolating power from power, as it will more or less guarantee(?) clean and regulated 120 volt (or 230-240 volt in Europe I guess where I am?) coming out of the UPS/power conditioner no matter if the incoming power is "dirty" and so on ?
other than that, I have a long post incoming but this is more in general and anyone can feel free to reply to this if they want and think they can help me, so here goes:
I want to ask how I should connect pc and lcd monitor to a power conditioner either with, or without a double conversion online UPS in the same chain, to a grounded power outlet that is on my first floor ( I have my pc on second floor where we have only non grounded power outlets )
So lets say I want to connect my pc and my monitor in a room on my second floor in my house, to one of my grounded power outlets on my first floor, would I connect it something like this?
Grounded power outlet on first floor --> 10 metre grounded power extension cable to second floor where PC is --> Online double conversion UPS --> Power conditioner
and then connect lcd monitor + pc power supply in to the power conditioner ? would this work to at least improve EMI/RFI situations if not eliminate all of potential lag issues being caused by that, unless there is severe case of both bad grounding and/or EMI/RFI noise in my house for example?
was looking at this power conditioner which in its specs supposedly helps reducing EMI/RFI noise:
the furman M10XE ( https://www.furmanpower.com/product/10a ... -M-10X%20E
but I guess it is one of the cheaper alternative at around ~130 euro or so, would this be a pointless choice or could it work?
was thinking, this setup, with also perhaps ferrite chokes on the end of the power cables, right where they connect to monitor and pc power supply, could perhaps be a solid setup in at least greatly reducing (if not eliminating) all RFI/EMI/bad grounding issues ?
main reason I am wanting to do this setup is that I also have problems with heavy mouse feeling for the past 2 years or so, fps and benchmarks are all great and there is no artifacts or monitor issues etc, only heavy mouse feeling that comes and goes at different hours of the day, but the times where it feels good can be very varying from day to day, sometimes longer windows of time with good feeling, sometimes shorter windows of time and so on, very late nights and early days seem to be the best in general though, but it has nothing to do with internet latency or usage as the mouse input is very heavy even on desktop/BIOS without ethernet cable connected, and I can instantly tell from how the mouse feels there how it will feel in a game for example, at that point in time,
(interestingly this was not a problem before then in the same house, but there has been multiple power blackouts and power issues which I believe is the root of these problems beginning to manifest for me)
and I have excluded the possibility of it being a hardware or software issue since every component has been replaced with the issue persisting, in my case I also have reason to believe it is very likely due to bad grounding, since if I touch my pc case, I can feel current flowing through it and my skin tingles whenever I touch it, and so I did a quick test to connect the PC to a grounded power outlet in my kitchen on the first floor, where the skin tingling goes away and there is no current flowing on the outside of the case (if that is the right way to word it anyway) although the input delay and mouse feeling did feel better here,
I have not yet concluded if its good enough and totally fixed as I only tested for a short period of time, to see if the skin tingling went away in these grounded outlets and it did, basically I just tested if the grounding worked at all in these outlets on my first floor, I guess it would be good if I tested the PC connected here for at least a couple of days or something, but I am more interested in going all the way and getting a proper power conditioner with or without a double conversion UPS (and again maybe ferrite chokes on the 2 power cables from pc and monitor too)
so, with all that said, would the way I described above be the proper way to connect pc and lcd monitor in a chain, together with UPS and power conditioner to a grounded power extension cable which then connects to a grounded power outlet on my first floor?
would appreciate any feedback on this, @nuggify since you seem to have tested a lot of these solutions, maybe you could also shed some light on how connecting this chain and setup is best done in my situation?
if this does not help I guess I will have to move to another place eventually, i'm just really not that competitive gamer anymore for it to be a huge problem these days since most of the time I have available to play games are late at night anyway, when the issue is *usually* not that big, but I would be very happy to get it 100% fixed of course and never have to worry about it.
Cheers for now !