unable to
it always sticking to usb 2.0 speed
razer viper 8khz is ok for this task ?
Placebo or a possibility? USB ports and mouse feel.
Re: Placebo or a possibility? USB ports and mouse feel.
it always sticking to usb 2.0 speed
razer viper 8khz is ok for this task ?
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Re: Placebo or a possibility? USB ports and mouse feel.
if bios option to disable work correctly:
hxci hand-off disable - usb 3.0 device work in 2.1 mode
if option enable - 3.0/3.0
Re: Placebo or a possibility? USB ports and mouse feel.
USB storage not mouse with hxci hand-off - Enabled
USB Version : 3.1 Gen 1
Port maximum Speed : SuperSpeed
Device maximum Speed : SuperSpeed
Device Connection Speed : SuperSpeed
Self powered : no
Demanded Current : 304 mA
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Re: Placebo or a possibility? USB ports and mouse feel.
hxci hand off dusable please samemago wrote: ↑30 Apr 2024, 12:06USB storage not mouse with hxci hand-off - Enabled
USB Version : 3.1 Gen 1
Port maximum Speed : SuperSpeed
Device maximum Speed : SuperSpeed
Device Connection Speed : SuperSpeed
Self powered : no
Demanded Current : 304 mA
Re: Placebo or a possibility? USB ports and mouse feel.
SAME - USB storage not mouse with hxci hand-off - DisabledSlender wrote: ↑30 Apr 2024, 12:17hxci hand off dusable please same
USB Version : 3.1 Gen 1
Port maximum Speed : SuperSpeed
Device maximum Speed : SuperSpeed
Device Connection Speed : SuperSpeed
Self powered : no
Demanded Current : 304 mA
Used Endpoints : 3
bios is choppy ;X
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Re: Placebo or a possibility? USB ports and mouse feel.
I find that many people lack objective controlled trials.... I use Windows Xp and Win7, and I've also used Windows 10, and they all have the same high input lag, and I've also switched to CRT monitors with no change.kyube wrote: ↑30 Apr 2024, 07:18- CRT's have much lower input lag than modern LCD's (+ low persistence image, should be ~2-1ms MPRT due to strobing, which is miles ahead of everything)Sandy wrote: ↑30 Apr 2024, 00:47I have an old Intel Pentium 4 CPU computer using a CRT monitor and PS\2 mouse and it has never had any issues with 0 input lag. I can responsibly say that modern USB chipsets have physical input lag bugs that are not easy for ordinary users. Found this problem unless big companies come forward to solve this problem
- I don't know what OS you've used to claim this, but a properly setup modern Windows (11) with a 8KHz and a proper driver (AMD w/ w7 driver or ASmedia with their driver) runs circles around PS/2 in terms of DPC, ISR & latency.
- The only games you can play on Pentium are games which are optimised a lot more than modern titles, hence the frametimes are much better. Try running QW on a modern CPU on a 8KHz mouse, tuned affinities and ASMedia controlle or AMD PCH w/ W7 driver.
See, this is the problem with this forum. People believe in this repeated nonsense because they haven't read a single decently written article.Hyote wrote: ↑29 Apr 2024, 18:56I swear by LTSC 1809 at the moment. Amit and Calypto have good guides but I never understood why people like them go 60% of the way then say that'll all there is to it. Both of them have bad power plan suggestions. Mine is probably the lowest latency power plan out of all the ones I tried. There is also a video on the 10850k feeling faster than a 13900k because it has lower latency.
About the oscilloscope part: there isn't a need to prove anything scientifically, it's just obvious that things are more responsive at certain times and then they get worse. I made comparison videos where the difference was clearly visible.
My problem with newer tech is the fact that every generation gets performance improvement for the cost of added latency. I think the latest greatest mentality stopped being true after somewhere around 2017.
Like seriously, games forcing TAA, phones not having jack, trash soulless AI art and design, AI cores, AI upscaling, fake upon fake.
If you've actually read through the guides I've mentioned, you wouldn't need anything else. But hey, gotta feed ur ego, like u did here
Let me guess, you've found some completely irrelevant regedit tweaks posted on some obscure website which you haven't verified at all other than "FEEL" (not knowing "FEEL" is dependant on physics, such as your neighbour turning on their washing machine or not if your circuitry is bad or if testing online depending on whether your line is getting hammered by people watching youtube videos - this is all without going into psychological factors)Mine is probably the lowest latency power plan out of all the ones I tried.
Not only this, but you quote the braindead video Tech YES City made, in which he claims the "10850k IS LOWER LATENCY THAN 13900K" when a "benchmark" he used was this
This is just one of many completely irrelevant benchmarks he has in the video, this video is completely malicious and ill informed about how hardware, physics and testing latency works.
LatencyMon is a redundant test and doesn't reveal anything, high speed cameras don't scratch the surface. He used a chinese-ware SSD, a cheap PSU which chokes the GPU and very likely had his GPU downclock during testing (XDDD)
He hasn't even debloated any install he had (God knows if he even realizes that he might've had a unstable CPU, RAM, GPU and made the test even more irrelevant)
90% of that video is complete bogus and should be completely disregarded.
I can agree that games are getting bloated and devs clearly are not targetting low latency & high fps with modern games, but that's about it.
But the Intel Pentium 4 CPU computer I moved back from the trash can always maintains 0 mouse lag ($0.50 PS/2 mouse) in the same room and electrical environment
Re: Placebo or a possibility? USB ports and mouse feel.
I've used WindowsHyote wrote: ↑28 Apr 2024, 22:40That's interesting because a lot of tweaking almost fixed my problems despite having bad electricity and internet while also being on a mid-high end pc from 2020. I think Windows is more of a culprit. Had problems with my pc from 2016, fixed it by going on an older tweaked Windows version, same solution worked now. However the things you write are great, despite the only solution being about buying the most expensive pc possible.kyube wrote: ↑28 Apr 2024, 16:54It's been solved for years as well, people just like to repeat lies.Sandy wrote: ↑28 Apr 2024, 07:44Many people cannot correctly describe the phenomenon they encounter. In fact, this is a USB port input delay problem. This problem has existed for many years. Unless companies like Microsoft and Intel AMD take this problem seriously, there is currently no solution...
This entire forum subsection just likes to chase unicorns & some other mythical, fictive beasts.
The problem is solved by having (no particular order):
- Being close to server (networking) + investing in proper line,
- Good electricity,
- Stable & fast hardware (low ripple PSU's such as AX1600i or anything Corsair , Good cooling - AIO or custom loop, ≥10 layer PCB MOBO, 8 core CPU - 3d cache if AMD, latest Intel, GPU - Ada/Blackwell or RDNA2, RAM (≥32GB DDR5 A-Die or M-die), SSD (990 Pro / Intel Optane) => NOTE: IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO "OVERCLOCK", DON'T. DON'T FOLLOW YOUTUBE "TUTORIALS")
- Good software (tuned Windows & disabling junk BG processes that use CPU cycles or use I/O resources),
- Good drivers (GPU, NIC, USB) & proper CPU affinities for them,
- Good frametimes (mess with a lower Timer Resolution & in-game caps or mess with RTSS cap),
- Proper peripherals (8KHz mouse by Razer, low profile & hall effect / optical keyboard , properly compliant ≥240hz monitor such as X25, XL2566K strobed, PG248QP or derivatives in 1080p range, PG27AQN, 27G1S or OLED in 1440p/4k spectrum).
That's the entire formula. There's nothing fancy about it.
I wish I could pin this, so people can stop being obnoxious with the ridiculous thread names and "no solution..." conclusions.
If you are using anything else other than this recipe, don't go wondering how your cake tastes sour or bitter.
No amount of tweaking can fix bad hardware & physics.
But the Intel Pentium 4 CPU computer I moved back from the trash can always maintains 0 mouse lag ($0.50 PS/2 mouse) in the same room and electrical environment
Re: Placebo or a possibility? USB ports and mouse feel. [Chief: Yes, a possibility]
I have confirmed that the USB port roulette is effective, but the problem is that it lasts for 3 to 5 minutes at most and then starts to drop, and there is no other device plugged into the 10 USB ports of my computer. My keyboard is plugged into the PS/2 port. So I think this is the result of both a motherboard chipset bug and a Windows bug, because I have another very old computer with an Intel Pentium 4 CPU and it has 0 lag... This is a powerful controlled experimentChief Blur Buster wrote: ↑04 Dec 2020, 00:17Confirmed possibility.
Sometimes it is placebo but it definitely has happened to a lot of us.
Congested USB motherboard ports can fuzz high poll rates. All those adjacent ports can share USB traffic/interrupts/PCIe lanes with each other.
I saw graphs with 1KHz mouse fuzzed to a 20/1000sec variance (20 poll samples off-timing!!!), but was fully fixed by an external PCIe card.
In short -- try buying a PCIe USB card, to get a dedicated USB chip just only for your high-Hz mouse -- with a dedicated PCIe lane to your CPU. It really reduces jitter/contention a lot on a motherboards with lots of USB devices plugged into it.
Connection sequence and port roulette can affect contention/prioritization of many USB devices, so in theory the jitter can improve/worsen.
For high-Hz devices, in lag/smoothness/jitter critical situations, plug 1 USB device per PCIe card for best 1000Hz-8000Hz performance. It's like a dedicated carpool lane just for your high-Hz mouse, on an otherwise busy freeway with motherboard USB ports contending with lots of USB traffic. Even many devices built into your computer (Bluetooth controllers, memory card drives, etc) may be sharing the USB hub that runs your motherboard ports. It can be hard to play USB port roulette to find your best USB port. Forget the casino, buy a guaranteed-dedicated USB port for your mouse that's on a completely clear PCIe lane straight to your CPU. You lose a PCI slot, and some PCIe lanes, but at least nothing is sharing with your high-Hz device -- but this can be worth the price of admission to a pretty silky high-Hz mouse.
There are other causes, but this is far more common than many of us expected.
So options:
1. Play USB port roulette
2. Bypass the roulette and add a USB PCIe card to guarantee dedicated USB processing just only for your mosue.
TIP: Always put high-Hz keyboard and high-Hz mouse on SEPARATE DEDICATED USB CHIPS.
Crossposting here.
Problem: High-Hz poll performance interference between 1000 Hz keyboard + 1000 Hz mouseChief Blur Buster wrote:Houston, we have a problem.
Especially with 4000 Hz keyboards and 8000 Hz mice being used simultaneously.
I just helped someone solve a high-Hz USB performance interference problem between two high-Hz USB devices:Solution: Serparate USB controllers and PCI bus lanes per 1 high-pollrate deviceMaxTendency wrote: ↑12 Oct 2020, 16:35While I'm pretty convinced that 8k hz mouse polling is going to be not only noticeable but also impactful , I'm starting to wonder how much keyboard polling will affect this. High keyboard polling has known to destabilize the mouse polling and vice versa.
For example this is a 1khz mouse polling on an optimized setup with a 125hz keyboard. As you can see the variance is quite little, barely 1hz.
This is the same mouse but the keyboard is wooting one set to 1k hz. All of a sudden the variance is 20hz. Looks like windows can't even fully handle 1k hz keyboard and mouse at the same time.
With keyboards now supporting 4k hz polling like the Corsair K100, I'm curious how will this affect the stability of 8k hz mouse polling. Seeing that a 1k hz keyboard is enough to destabilize a mouse set to just 1k hz, a 4k hz keyboard would probably trash the stability of a 8k hz mouse.Yeah, that was what I thought. Glad my recommendation helped!MaxTendency wrote: ↑15 Oct 2020, 20:58Small update, using the asmedia port for keyboard (the lowest one, right next to the usb-c port) while using top port for mouse seems to minimize if not remove the impact of high keyboard polling on the mouse polls.
Blue is the mouse and red is the keyboard. This combo provided the best polling, pic of polling attached below.
With ultrahigh poll rates, you really need to isolate to one USB chip (and/or separate bus lanes) per high-pollrate device.
PCI-Express USB cards are also another solution that can help this. Plug the keyboard into the motherboard USB, and plug the mouse into the PCI-Express USB. Or do do USB port roulette until you find jackpot. Keep the adjacent ports empty (port above/below a plugged-in high-Hz USB device) because they often share the same USB controller.
This would probably become a staple recommendation of the new 2020s-era "Blur Busters Mouse Guide II"
Until the motherboard manufacturers "keeps up with the Joneses" and have a dedicated-USB-chip keyboard port, and a dedicated-USB-chip mouse port for the 2020-2030s esports era of 4000 Hz keyboard + 8000 Hz mouse + >360 Hz monitors + RTX 3080+ framerates.
This Grand gaming computer upgrade supercycle is going to be very interesting. I rarely see so many concurrent upgrades happen. Those now seem to happen only once every 5-10 years, rather than every 2-3 years in the 1990s-2000s. We are seeing a major Vicious Cycle Effect tick-tock (multiple concurrent frequency upgrades).
