Apex Pro TKL, Improvement in Input Latency and Measurments against other keyboards.

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Re: Apex Pro TKL, Improvement in Input Latency and Measurments against other keyboards.

Post by kurtextrem » 04 Jul 2020, 17:29

No. See hall-effect (physics) on how it works. Analogue refers to how things worked back in the days or like for example controllers do: You can choose what happens at what %-pressed. E.g.: Slight tap lets you slow walk a bit, a full press means a full sprint.
The Apex Pro doesn't have that, only the Wooting and a keyboard from input.club
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Re: Apex Pro TKL, Improvement in Input Latency and Measurments against other keyboards.

Post by senny22 » 04 Jul 2020, 17:38

kurtextrem wrote:
04 Jul 2020, 17:29
No. See hall-effect (physics) on how it works. Analogue refers to how things worked back in the days or like for example controllers do: You can choose what happens at what %-pressed. E.g.: Slight tap lets you slow walk a bit, a full press means a full sprint.
The Apex Pro doesn't have that, only the Wooting and a keyboard from input.club
Oh okay, some youtuber said that it could theoretically was possible that Steelseries would enable such "analogue" control on the apex keyboards so I guess I assumed it was analogue.

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Re: Apex Pro TKL, Improvement in Input Latency and Measurments against other keyboards.

Post by deama » 04 Jul 2020, 17:39

kurtextrem wrote:
04 Jul 2020, 17:29
No. See hall-effect (physics) on how it works. Analogue refers to how things worked back in the days or like for example controllers do: You can choose what happens at what %-pressed. E.g.: Slight tap lets you slow walk a bit, a full press means a full sprint.
The Apex Pro doesn't have that, only the Wooting and a keyboard from input.club
Does that mean the wooting is slower than the apex pro?

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Re: Apex Pro TKL, Improvement in Input Latency and Measurments against other keyboards.

Post by kurtextrem » 05 Jul 2020, 08:19

senny22 wrote:
04 Jul 2020, 17:38
kurtextrem wrote:
04 Jul 2020, 17:29
No. See hall-effect (physics) on how it works. Analogue refers to how things worked back in the days or like for example controllers do: You can choose what happens at what %-pressed. E.g.: Slight tap lets you slow walk a bit, a full press means a full sprint.
The Apex Pro doesn't have that, only the Wooting and a keyboard from input.club
Oh okay, some youtuber said that it could theoretically was possible that Steelseries would enable such "analogue" control on the apex keyboards so I guess I assumed it was analogue.
No idea, it might be possible, but it's probably more taxing on the mcu, which can make processing slower or less consistent.

Overview over Hall-effect kbs:
- SteelSeries Apex Pro (hall effect) https://steelseries.com/gaming-keyboards/apex-pro
- Wooting Lekker (hall effect, analogue) https://wooting.io/wooting_two_lekker
- Input.club Keystone (Kailh hall effect, analogue) https://input.club/ / https://kono.store/products/keystone-an ... 0351991891

Blogs / Infos about Hall-effect switches and analogue features:
https://steelseries.com/blog/adjustable ... itches-104
https://steelseries.com/blog/worlds-fas ... switch-105 (incl. comparison to Razer optical switches)
https://blog.wooting.nl/what-influences-keyboard-speed/
https://blog.wooting.nl/introducing-the-lekker-switch/ (why Wooting went from optical to hall effect switches)
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/le ... -keyboards
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/le ... ts/2747539

All those posts make me see Hall-effect switches as superior (vs default or optical ones), as they also give hard-facts and not marketing blabla.
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Re: Apex Pro TKL, Improvement in Input Latency and Measurments against other keyboards.

Post by BTRY B 529th FA BN » 21 Jul 2020, 22:42

Interesting, thanks for the post. I use a Bloody B820R. I might buy the Apex Pro and do a comparison.

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Post by BTRY B 529th FA BN » 26 Aug 2020, 17:43

Picked up the Apex Pro TKL Aug 20th. I haven't plugged it in yet, however I just took it out of the packaging today, for the first time. I also have a Bloody B820R. Will be giving a 'Feels' type review & comparison once I get through some other queued up hardware first.

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Re: Apex Pro TKL, Improvement in Input Latency and Measurments against other keyboards.

Post by Alpha » 27 Aug 2020, 22:54

I have 2 G Pro, the reg and clicky blue which I have enjoyed but am still blow away at how good the Pro TKL is. Those are permanently retired now. I didn’t install the drivers and manually set the fastest actuation. Amazing for gaming. Typing for me, not so much. :!: Definitely worth the money.

So you only need 1 USB of the two?

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Re: Apex Pro TKL, Improvement in Input Latency and Measurments against other keyboards.

Post by senny22 » 28 Aug 2020, 03:25

BTRY B 529th FA BN wrote:
26 Aug 2020, 17:43
Picked up the Apex Pro TKL Aug 20th. I haven't plugged it in yet, however I just took it out of the packaging today, for the first time. I also have a Bloody B820R. Will be giving a 'Feels' type review & comparison once I get through some other queued up hardware first.
If you have some o-rings laying around, try to place a couple under your "wasd" keys if you want to improve responsiveness. I really, really liked it for gaming and have done so on the ctrl, shift, and space keys as well. Though this hurts typing, it's really great for responsive input when gaming.

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Re: Apex Pro TKL, Improvement in Input Latency and Measurments against other keyboards.

Post by senny22 » 28 Aug 2020, 03:26

Alpha wrote:
27 Aug 2020, 22:54
I have 2 G Pro, the reg and clicky blue which I have enjoyed but am still blow away at how good the Pro TKL is. Those are permanently retired now. I didn’t install the drivers and manually set the fastest actuation. Amazing for gaming. Typing for me, not so much. :!: Definitely worth the money.

So you only need 1 USB of the two?
I only use one as I don't use the USB passthrough.

Also, see what I wrote above ^^

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Re: Apex Pro TKL, Improvement in Input Latency and Measurments against other keyboards.

Post by BTRY B 529th FA BN » 28 Aug 2020, 06:38

senny22 wrote:
28 Aug 2020, 03:25
BTRY B 529th FA BN wrote:
26 Aug 2020, 17:43
Picked up the Apex Pro TKL Aug 20th. I haven't plugged it in yet, however I just took it out of the packaging today, for the first time. I also have a Bloody B820R. Will be giving a 'Feels' type review & comparison once I get through some other queued up hardware first.
If you have some o-rings laying around, try to place a couple under your "wasd" keys if you want to improve responsiveness. I really, really liked it for gaming and have done so on the ctrl, shift, and space keys as well. Though this hurts typing, it's really great for responsive input when gaming.
I've put some 40A 1.8mm WASD brand o-rings under the keys on the Bloody B820R. Odd thing is they were advertised & labeled .4mm until I pulled out my digital caliper. They seem a little bit too thin and I was thinking of getting a thicker o-ring. Can you recommend a place, hardness, and thickness to go with?

Can they (o-rings) be use under the Apex Pro keys? I thought I seen a video that showed there wasn't a normal type stem under the Apex keys e.g. like you would see on a MX Cherry switch.

Thanks

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