I have the new Razer 8000 Hz prototype gaming mouse on my desk.

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Re: I have the new Razer 8000 Hz prototype gaming mouse on my desk.

Post by Chief Blur Buster » 22 Dec 2020, 17:41

Brainlet wrote:
22 Dec 2020, 15:08
Any chance you'll sell it to the 1% with a special disclaimer mentioning these "issues"?
A nice 8 KHz software wizard would be nice, where 2000 or 4000 Hz is default upon installation.

I remember the first 1000 Hz mice 15 years ago was configured to 500 Hz by default, for the very same reason.

2000 Hz is usually a non issue, and the first step 1000Hz->2000Hz makes a massive difference in amplifying 240Hz vs 360Hz.
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Re: I have the new Razer 8000 Hz prototype gaming mouse on my desk.

Post by NDUS » 22 Dec 2020, 18:05

The superiority of 8khz mice will become self-evident when every professional player switches to them (which they will - quickly.) There's no need to spend sleepless nights worrying about whether or not casuals will suddenly become technically literate when they never have been and they've always just mimicked pros anyway.

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Re: I have the new Razer 8000 Hz prototype gaming mouse on my desk.

Post by lyrill » 22 Dec 2020, 20:13

NDUS wrote:
22 Dec 2020, 18:05
The superiority of 8khz mice will become self-evident when every professional player switches to them (which they will - quickly.) There's no need to spend sleepless nights worrying about whether or not casuals will suddenly become technically literate when they never have been and they've always just mimicked pros anyway.
maybe you, not me. pros or streamers or any form of kols don't mean anything to me when i easily smoked Fatal1ty's longest kill record in the 2nd ea season in pubg solo, which was also 2 weeks earlier than grimmz's official nodded "play of the year" and longer distance.

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Re: I have the new Razer 8000 Hz prototype gaming mouse on my desk.

Post by Boop » 22 Dec 2020, 20:30

axaro1 wrote:
22 Dec 2020, 14:38
Viper 8Khz CONFIRMED

https://twitter.com/Kephrii/status/1341449006623416320

I really liked the shape of the viper mini but I thought it was a little bit too small, now it's time to say goodbye to my GPW 😍
Looks like a completed product. Hopefully, we'll get 8Khz Viper and Viper Mini's released at the same time. I've been wanting to buy a Viper Mini for quite a while. I have a Viper Ultimate that I no longer use because I play better with smaller mice.

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Re: I have the new Razer 8000 Hz prototype gaming mouse on my desk.

Post by Razer_TheFiend » 22 Dec 2020, 23:18

axaro1 wrote:
22 Dec 2020, 14:38
Razer_TheFiend wrote:
18 Dec 2020, 22:48
I assume the NDA has been lifted, is there anything else you can say about the new viper? Did you guys implement a faster microcontroller to handle 8khz polling? Is the sensor the same as the standard viper?
We weren't exactly hiding the development process anyways. Tomshardware even posted a "review" in October. The NDAs with testers are mostly in place to ensure no teardowns or other "trade secrets" get leaked.

Yes, it's a faster microcontroller with USB high-speed. Sensor is not the same as standard Viper (3390), it's the same as the Viper Ultimate (3399).

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Re: I have the new Razer 8000 Hz prototype gaming mouse on my desk.

Post by Futuretech » 23 Dec 2020, 00:46

Razer_TheFiend wrote:
22 Dec 2020, 23:18
We weren't exactly hiding the development process anyways. Tomshardware even posted a "review" in October. The NDAs with testers are mostly in place to ensure no teardowns or other "trade secrets" get leaked.

Yes, it's a faster microcontroller with USB high-speed. Sensor is not the same as standard Viper (3390), it's the same as the Viper Ultimate (3399).
Well I mean come on it's not really a "trade secret" you basically got one of the major micro-controller providers to open up the USB 3.0+ system to basically operate at a higher speed and handle it. You could have been doing this as far back as 2012-2013 when USB 3.0 popped up. Both to the psuedo- if not outright interrupt based system like found on PS/2 and also the 8,000:Hz(125 microsecond)-24,000:Hz(41.6 microsecond) properties. Your being kinda silly stating it's a tear down or "trade secret" like literally by stating it comes from the Viper Ultimate it's already giving away the surprise that it's either a new-gen IC or a custom work. You just connected the dots for a other people.

In reality your just kinda milking every minor upgrade possible. What's next 10,000, 12,000, 15,000, 20,000 and finally 24,000Hz.

You know who else does this Logitech. They state some BS that it's proprietary and whatnot when in reality it's just some alteration and custom work from one of the major IC vendors. Same with Pixart and all these other guys out there.

Might as well perform a simulation examination with an engineering board design and just max out USB 3.0. Might as well rant to USB consortium to create or ensure next generation USB device systems since USB is gonna remain hell I would not be surprised if even at year 2100 we still got USB devices around. Might as well pop them in the head and make them focus on creating a superior system in regards to operating speeds of said higher hertz.

Anyways in regards to the higher hertz that is nice and all but why did you not just max out to 24,000Hz ignoring things like PC can't handle it or ports can't handle it. It would have given you a huge marketing tool to leverage against every other vendor.

Things I'd like to see is USB-C with Adapters to A that way we can transition away from A ports and FINALLY since 2015 focus on a single port T-C.

And two maxing out of the USB system to 24,000Hz. Instead of the usual milking every customer for the R&D value. Might as well make a "killer" app product and just force every ones hands. That way it's like Razer comes in at gun point to every other mouse maker. Max out or die at your 1,000:Hz systems.

And not just for mouse but for keyboards as well I notice we focus too much on mice but keyboards should procure data faster to the PC. I don't think I've seen anyone do any real tests on USB 3.0+ 8K-24K for keyboards.

Well what can I say with the 8K polling rate for the microsoft mice a while back and currently with others using 2,000Hz and with Razer 8,000Hz it's a sorry state when this could all been introduced back when USB 3.0 came out with forum posts like Overclock.net discussing the changes and others mentioning ignorant stuff on USB 3.0 when all of this could have just been done nearly a DECADE ago.

At least it's come now but again by now we should have already maxed out the USB3.0+ protocol system at 24,000Hz.

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Re: I have the new Razer 8000 Hz prototype gaming mouse on my desk.

Post by Razer_TheFiend » 23 Dec 2020, 02:10

Futuretech wrote:
23 Dec 2020, 00:46
Well I mean come on it's not really a "trade secret" you basically got one of the major micro-controller providers to open up the USB 3.0+ system to basically operate at a higher speed and handle it. You could have been doing this as far back as 2012-2013 when USB 3.0 popped up. Both to the psuedo- if not outright interrupt based system like found on PS/2 and also the 8,000:Hz(125 microsecond)-24,000:Hz(41.6 microsecond) properties.
I'm going to ignore the unnecessarily antagonistic tone of your message and respond to one specific point which is of interest to me - USB 3 interrupts : All literature I've read till date mentions the bus intervals for USB 3 as 125us minimum. Hell, even the "latency tolerance" is 123us.

I'm happy to be corrected and to learn, but you'll have to provide a source for your 41.67us claim.

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Re: I have the new Razer 8000 Hz prototype gaming mouse on my desk.

Post by lyrill » 23 Dec 2020, 02:25

Razer_TheFiend wrote:
23 Dec 2020, 02:10
Futuretech wrote:
23 Dec 2020, 00:46
Well I mean come on it's not really a "trade secret" you basically got one of the major micro-controller providers to open up the USB 3.0+ system to basically operate at a higher speed and handle it. You could have been doing this as far back as 2012-2013 when USB 3.0 popped up. Both to the psuedo- if not outright interrupt based system like found on PS/2 and also the 8,000:Hz(125 microsecond)-24,000:Hz(41.6 microsecond) properties.
I'm going to ignore the unnecessarily antagonistic tone of your message and respond to one specific point which is of interest to me - USB 3 interrupts : All literature I've read till date mentions the bus intervals for USB 3 as 125us minimum. Hell, even the "latency tolerance" is 123us.

I'm happy to be corrected and to learn, but you'll have to provide a source for your 41.67us claim.

stopped reading at "this is usb 3.0 related" someone didn't bother to read basic info prior.

but I don't hate on "real talk" of any kind. nor was he particularly antagonistic. that is unless you have to insist on being tribal and defensive as RAZER brand rep

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Re: I have the new Razer 8000 Hz prototype gaming mouse on my desk.

Post by Ogmilkman » 23 Dec 2020, 02:51

Given that 1000hz shows inconsistent movement on a 360hz monitor, could it be causing inconsistent engine-side movement in an FPS game at an fps >=360 regardless of the monitor refresh rate?

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Re: I have the new Razer 8000 Hz prototype gaming mouse on my desk.

Post by aaaaaaaanon » 23 Dec 2020, 03:32

axaro1 wrote:
22 Dec 2020, 14:38
Viper 8Khz CONFIRMED

twitter/Kephrii/status/1341449006623416320

I really liked the shape of the viper mini but I thought it was a little bit too small, now it's time to say goodbye to my GPW 😍
The Viper Mini shape is just perfect for me, better than anything else I've tried. I'm really hoping to see an 8000Hz version of it, better yet if it has the 3399.

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