House causing PC Stutter/LAG, EMI/RFI?

[Unixko]

I thought it was electricity but now I'm sure it is a virus. It works in background, infects hardware and spreads over ISP & USB lines. If you don't think it is true go on amazon or whatever store and get a cheap monitor and test it out. Plug it in and it will work smoother than your super expensive monitor and you will be getting 50 frags in Counter Strike but the virus will infect it depending on few hours or days and it will come back

I'm just wondering where the virus came from. Probably Porn sites since we all view those

I bought a brand new GSYNC monitor and the issue occurred right away, also tested brand new PC's and it happened right away so I don't think its a virus.

all mine outlet was better for 1 day then become shit like all of them but for some reason all of them for the first time was 1 day perfect now every single one is like corrupted for some reason

[TTT]

guys pls stop with emi threads it sound same as chasing Casper.

"House is haunted causing spooks"
"House causing PC stutter"

and im not saying this to flame or put anyone down.
to get at the bottom of physics u start at the top. otherwise you wont have good knowledge or consistency of upper layers and one day it will "feel good" because for example windows defender was idle that day or your drivers/programs got good roll on load order or thread scheduling or ASLR rng and it feels better yet u will end up blaming the conditoner not doing anything anymore or end up in ShieldedHealing stuff.

there are books for all of this. read them to fix your problems rather than yelling ghost!!!

oh and i mean actual books not "kids guide to electronics"

if you want to fix an ultra high freq cpu then learn how it actually works by reading high frequency ic books for emi

You are sitting here talking about windows defender without reading the post.

This happens on High end PC's, low end PC's, PS4, Mobile. This has nothing to do with windows defender. This isn't a hardware/software issue so "windows defender" has nothing to do with this, or my "drivers". I don't know why people comment without reading the post instead they read the title and comment. I wish this was as simple as a driver issue.

If you actually read the post, you would think twice about what you just said.

Post vids of it happening offline.

I already did. CSGO was played offline. Offline mode in steam VS bots with a computer that was disconnected from internet.

I see.

So testing elsewhere it doesn't do it at all? Or just less?

[kryztripleb]

I thought it was electricity but now I'm sure it is a virus. It works in background, infects hardware and spreads over ISP & USB lines. If you don't think it is true go on amazon or whatever store and get a cheap monitor and test it out. Plug it in and it will work smoother than your super expensive monitor and you will be getting 50 frags in Counter Strike but the virus will infect it depending on few hours or days and it will come back

I'm just wondering where the virus came from. Probably Porn sites since we all view those

I bought a brand new GSYNC monitor and the issue occurred right away, also tested brand new PC's and it happened right away so I don't think its a virus.

all mine outlet was better for 1 day then become shit like all of them but for some reason all of them for the first time was 1 day perfect now every single one is like corrupted for some reason

Yeah I was hoping it was an outlet issue for me. But since I have a UPS and plugged everything in on battery and turned off everything in my house and that didn't help , It can't be the outlet. Although I've heard that even when its off it can generate noise or something, I don't see how though. I have no idea. I'm not an electrician .

[kryztripleb]

You are sitting here talking about windows defender without reading the post.

This happens on High end PC's, low end PC's, PS4, Mobile. This has nothing to do with windows defender. This isn't a hardware/software issue so "windows defender" has nothing to do with this, or my "drivers". I don't know why people comment without reading the post instead they read the title and comment. I wish this was as simple as a driver issue.

If you actually read the post, you would think twice about what you just said.

Post vids of it happening offline.

I already did. CSGO was played offline. Offline mode in steam VS bots with a computer that was disconnected from internet.

I see.

So testing elsewhere it doesn't do it at all? Or just less?

Runs smooth af elsewhere. I spoke to my neighbor and im going to bring my PC over to their house within the next few days. If it still occurs their, its something floating in the area. If it works fine, It something in my house causing the issue. They live 2 houses down.

[Chief Blur Buster]

Don’t forget to test back and fourth at least twice.

You need to repeat the test (lest that computer-move vibrations accidentally fixes a non-EMI problem).

Test PC at home, test PC at neighbour, test PC at home again, test PC at neighbour, test at home again. Do recordings of the exact identical thing each and every time. It’s like trying to photograph a rare Coelacanth fish, or even worse, the Loch Ness monster. More proof needs to be out in the wild here, and I welcome our forums to be an incubating area of proof. Less ghost, more proof.

Same equipment, same monitor, same cables, everything identical, so that the only conceivable difference is location. Keep the network cables disconnected and WiFi turned off both times, even at home — in case EMI travels over unused network wires.

Move the whole shebang back and fourth at least twice, and record proof every time, if you want your information to become more viral and get the karma that goes with that! Even that may not be 100% irrecontrovertible proof of EMI, without a simultaneous EMI recording (unless you buy the equipment necessary to monitor the EMI).

<Aside>

guys pls stop with emi threads it sound same as chasing Casper.

...It’s a valid point (although I am more diplomatic, mind you). I wish this stuff was a little less about chasing ghosts — because EMI is indeed an increasingly serious problem of modern 2020s computing, but most EMI-troubleshoots are often chasing ghosts....

...It is possible that by the end of 2020s — by 2030 — we may need software that aids in EMI troubleshooting — given the increased prevalence of this.

...The business model somewhere at a different company may become lucrative enough to pay some advance engineers to write such software (and/or companion connected hardware accessories) that does a full system analysis of at least 50% of common EMI-caused issues.

...In a software package usable by non-engineers. Rather than those complex advanced command line utilities, but a good visualization of everything, and can run while running a game simultaneously (max-power EMI-envelope-pushing situations), with some pretty screenshots that is forum-shareable and more trustworthy (because of high reputation of EMI troubleshooter package).

...Due to the wide universe and complexity of EMI, it necessarily has to be incomplete troubleshooting, but monitor motherboard manufacturers and OS vendors may have to co-operate in their ability to send Improved telemetry to such said software;

...Hardware add ons may need to measure various EMI simultaneously (USB-connected EMI analyzer) to allow better corroboration of system behavior to actual EMI, as more provable data

...There might someday come a point when the business model of such troubleshooting becomes viable to turn this from ghost-chasing into a real trusted industry. Where users showing EMI problems out in the field (that was never revealed in manufacturer beta testing), drives the industry to strive better. I’m happy to let the forums occasionally show the world that there is needs for an industry to exist, though Blur Busters is not in the EMI business.

...Theoretically, an advanced university hobbyist (who loves esports too), as a Masters/Ph.D electronics graduate program/thesis/whatever, could probably create/write an Arduino accessory for Linux (that fundamentally functions like a high-end USB-connected EMI analyzer, both air-based EMI and wire-based EMI, for all incoming cables connected to computer too), and use all those Linux packages that measures data (Linux RAM monitor utilities, bus monitor utilities, USB retransmit monitor utilities, network retransmit monitor utilities), all simultaneously, and have it all running simultaneously while running various Linux games, while measuring EMI/RFI simultaneously from a hardware accessory, to create a corroborated datastream that can be analyzed for definite confirmations. And make it a live thumbdrive for troubleshooting. It might only catch a % of EMI problems given the massive universe of EMI/RFI on the entire electromagnetic spectrum. But it is a major start. It might not be as good as nation-funded stuff or big-company funded stuff, but might actually kickstart a new industry I think will eventually be needed within ten years. The software/sensor/DIY maker/etc tech is finally already here that is within the budget of university research. This tech eventually needs to be pulled out of skunkworks laboratories straight into advanced prosumer hands. (If anybody qualified years later, sees this post and finds this a fantastic idea, create a new thread!)

...I suspect by year 2030, there will need to be an industry forming around this given it’s going to hit hard as a potential limiting factor in the refresh rate race to retina refresh rates for zero-lag non-smoothed use cases. I’m a big fan of end-to-end temporal management (timestamps at source etc) but that necessarily requires a bit of a latency window for smoothing spikes caused by EMI/etc, especially as refresh cycles become tinier granularities, etc.

</Aside>

[kryztripleb]

Don’t forget to test back and fourth at least twice.

You need to repeat the test (lest that computer-move vibrations accidentally fixes a non-EMI problem).

Test PC at home, test PC at neighbour, test PC at home again, test PC at neighbour, test at home again. Do recordings of the exact identical thing each and every time. It’s like trying to photograph a rare Coelacanth fish, or even worse, the Loch Ness monster. More proof needs to be out in the wild here, and I welcome our forums to be an incubating area of proof. Less ghost, more proof.

Same equipment, same monitor, same cables, everything identical, so that the only conceivable difference is location. Keep the network cables disconnected and WiFi turned off both times, even at home — in case EMI travels over unused network wires.

Move the whole shebang back and fourth at least twice, and record proof every time, if you want your information to become more viral and get the karma that goes with that! Even that may not be 100% irrecontrovertible proof of EMI, without a simultaneous EMI recording (unless you buy the equipment necessary to monitor the EMI).

<Aside>

guys pls stop with emi threads it sound same as chasing Casper.

...It’s a valid point (although I am more diplomatic, mind you). I wish this stuff was a little less about chasing ghosts — because EMI is indeed an increasingly serious problem of modern 2020s computing, but most EMI-troubleshoots are often chasing ghosts....

...It is possible that by the end of 2020s — by 2030 — we may need software that aids in EMI troubleshooting — given the increased prevalence of this.

...The business model somewhere at a different company may become lucrative enough to pay some advance engineers to write such software (and/or companion connected hardware accessories) that does a full system analysis of at least 50% of common EMI-caused issues.

...In a software package usable by non-engineers. Rather than those complex advanced command line utilities, but a good visualization of everything, and can run while running a game simultaneously (max-power EMI-envelope-pushing situations), with some pretty screenshots that is forum-shareable and more trustworthy (because of high reputation of EMI troubleshooter package).

...Due to the wide universe and complexity of EMI, it necessarily has to be incomplete troubleshooting, but monitor motherboard manufacturers and OS vendors may have to co-operate in their ability to send Improved telemetry to such said software;

...Hardware add ons may need to measure various EMI simultaneously (USB-connected EMI analyzer) to allow better corroboration of system behavior to actual EMI, as more provable data

...There might someday come a point when the business model of such troubleshooting becomes viable to turn this from ghost-chasing into a real trusted industry. Where users showing EMI problems out in the field (that was never revealed in manufacturer beta testing), drives the industry to strive better. I’m happy to let the forums occasionally show the world that there is needs for an industry to exist, though Blur Busters is not in the EMI business.

...Theoretically, an advanced university hobbyist (who loves esports too), as a Masters/Ph.D electronics graduate program/thesis/whatever, could probably create/write an Arduino accessory for Linux (that fundamentally functions like a high-end USB-connected EMI analyzer, both air-based EMI and wire-based EMI, for all incoming cables connected to computer too), and use all those Linux packages that measures data (Linux RAM monitor utilities, bus monitor utilities, USB retransmit monitor utilities, network retransmit monitor utilities), all simultaneously, and have it all running simultaneously while running various Linux games, while measuring EMI/RFI simultaneously from a hardware accessory, to create a corroborated datastream that can be analyzed for definite confirmations. And make it a live thumbdrive for troubleshooting. It might only catch a % of EMI problems given the massive universe of EMI/RFI on the entire electromagnetic spectrum. But it is a major start. It might not be as good as nation-funded stuff or big-company funded stuff, but might actually kickstart a new industry I think will eventually be needed within ten years. The software/sensor/DIY maker/etc tech is finally already here that is within the budget of university research. This tech eventually needs to be pulled out of skunkworks laboratories straight into advanced prosumer hands. (If anybody qualified years later, sees this post and finds this a fantastic idea, create a new thread!)

...I suspect by year 2030, there will need to be an industry forming around this given it’s going to hit hard as a potential limiting factor in the refresh rate race to retina refresh rates for zero-lag non-smoothed use cases. I’m a big fan of end-to-end temporal management (timestamps at source etc) but that necessarily requires a bit of a latency window for smoothing spikes caused by EMI/etc, especially as refresh cycles become tinier granularities, etc.

</Aside>

I have no idea what could possibly be going on. Others who have similar situations as mine but I'm not sure if it's identical due to not having input lag, desktop clarity issues etc, have found that using a DC blocker helps the issue. We are unable to figure out how this would be even when using battery on a regular UPS that's not double conversion, but who knows.

Whenever I have a massive stutter, Its because my frametime spikes, up to 100+. Differs on games. Some are worse. Same thing happens on my PS4, multiple PC's. I've spoken to many people and they all have doubts that EMI can do this, and it's weird how my PS5 still works fine, but everything else that touches my house doesn't. Those spikes are the huge stutters that I feel in game. Everything else seems pretty normal on the afterburner graphs , and I put a video on that below.

https://gyazo.com/b9e2f7155327d12c359d8f847f98e542 (fortnite)

https://gyazo.com/57f772ce520e9a65eaa349596f83c71b (pubg)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KmeyaP ... nnel=Chris (afterburner pubg graphs)

Even happens with nothing installed besides game, cleaned drivers, diff monitors/mice, the simple stuff. Emptystandbylist etc. I don't know what makes some games not spike as hard. If im able to find that, atleast It would make it somewhat playable if I can cut this down. Those spikes are what is ruining playing the game for me.

[spkii]

After 2 months trying computer at other house that is 10 minutes near mine, PC works a bit better but not at his best. I will still trying it here and will post results... Different ISP btw.

[kryztripleb]

After 2 months trying computer at other house that is 10 minutes near mine, PC works a bit better but not at his best. I will still trying it here and will post results... Different ISP btw.

What issues are you having? Stuttering only? Or input lag, monitor clarity etc?

[spkii]

After 2 months trying computer at other house that is 10 minutes near mine, PC works a bit better but not at his best. I will still trying it here and will post results... Different ISP btw.

What issues are you having? Stuttering only? Or input lag, monitor clarity etc?

Stuttering and input lag , Monitor now is on good clarity, but when i was on the other house, i had a lot of brightness at mornings specially.

[kryztripleb]

After 2 months trying computer at other house that is 10 minutes near mine, PC works a bit better but not at his best. I will still trying it here and will post results... Different ISP btw.

What issues are you having? Stuttering only? Or input lag, monitor clarity etc?

Stuttering and input lag , Monitor now is on good clarity, but when i was on the other house, i had a lot of brightness at mornings specially.

Only thing for me the the major stutters atm.. Never had any input lag before