Reduce Input Delay (Mouse & Keyboard Buffer Size)

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Rallaz
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Re: Reduce Input Delay (Mouse & Keyboard Buffer Size)

Post by Rallaz » 13 Sep 2021, 07:40

I've tried both KB and Mouse paramters it was set to 64 by default for me and I tried recording via Macros on both Windows 10 and 11, I cannot see in any of my programs on my optimized BIOS+OS'es that it is making a difference.

100(64)
tried setting them to
10(16)

Eonds
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Re: Reduce Input Delay (Mouse & Keyboard Buffer Size)

Post by Eonds » 13 Sep 2021, 08:11

Rallaz wrote:
13 Sep 2021, 07:40
I've tried both KB and Mouse paramters it was set to 64 by default for me and I tried recording via Macros on both Windows 10 and 11, I cannot see in any of my programs on my optimized BIOS+OS'es that it is making a difference.

100(64)
tried setting them to
10(16)
Maybe you typed something wrong, or you're just not capable of seeing it. It's pretty obvious for most people though. It's a legit tweak that's documented by microsoft.

Rallaz
Posts: 45
Joined: 12 May 2020, 08:41

Re: Reduce Input Delay (Mouse & Keyboard Buffer Size)

Post by Rallaz » 13 Sep 2021, 13:00

Eonds wrote:
13 Sep 2021, 08:11
Rallaz wrote:
13 Sep 2021, 07:40
I've tried both KB and Mouse paramters it was set to 64 by default for me and I tried recording via Macros on both Windows 10 and 11, I cannot see in any of my programs on my optimized BIOS+OS'es that it is making a difference.

100(64)
tried setting them to
10(16)
Maybe you typed something wrong, or you're just not capable of seeing it. It's pretty obvious for most people though. It's a legit tweak that's documented by microsoft.
I don't say you could be wrong just saying I don't think it does anything on my end since I've a Steelseries APEX TKL and acution point at 0.4 which extremely fast, in Rocket League I've been around top 100 for a long time each and every season.
My PC is some what very high-end as well.
240hz monitor
3080 FE Nvidia
G.Skill 4266mhz (15-15-15-28)
Asus Maximus XI CODE (modded)
Corsair 1000AXi
Every Cable is shielded as well.

Is there some important step I'm missing in the video, I'm trying this as well right now, this moment. Can't really feel the difference. I play Rocket League with KBM as well.

My problem is most likely the power as in many other threads.

Eonds
Posts: 262
Joined: 29 Oct 2020, 10:34

Re: Reduce Input Delay (Mouse & Keyboard Buffer Size)

Post by Eonds » 13 Sep 2021, 17:13

Rallaz wrote:
13 Sep 2021, 13:00
Eonds wrote:
13 Sep 2021, 08:11
Rallaz wrote:
13 Sep 2021, 07:40
I've tried both KB and Mouse paramters it was set to 64 by default for me and I tried recording via Macros on both Windows 10 and 11, I cannot see in any of my programs on my optimized BIOS+OS'es that it is making a difference.

100(64)
tried setting them to
10(16)
Maybe you typed something wrong, or you're just not capable of seeing it. It's pretty obvious for most people though. It's a legit tweak that's documented by microsoft.
I don't say you could be wrong just saying I don't think it does anything on my end since I've a Steelseries APEX TKL and acution point at 0.4 which extremely fast, in Rocket League I've been around top 100 for a long time each and every season.
My PC is some what very high-end as well.
240hz monitor
3080 FE Nvidia
G.Skill 4266mhz (15-15-15-28)
Asus Maximus XI CODE (modded)
Corsair 1000AXi
Every Cable is shielded as well.

Is there some important step I'm missing in the video, I'm trying this as well right now, this moment. Can't really feel the difference. I play Rocket League with KBM as well.

My problem is most likely the power as in many other threads.

Your problem is probably your 240hz monitor + gpu, still your setup is very premium. Your RAM could be unstable & what about your CPU ? I also play rocket league at a high level, try setting them both to 0, and can you send me a picture of yours so i can see if you misspelled something.

Rallaz
Posts: 45
Joined: 12 May 2020, 08:41

Re: Reduce Input Delay (Mouse & Keyboard Buffer Size)

Post by Rallaz » 14 Sep 2021, 01:54

Eonds wrote:
13 Sep 2021, 17:13
Rallaz wrote:
13 Sep 2021, 13:00
Eonds wrote:
13 Sep 2021, 08:11
Rallaz wrote:
13 Sep 2021, 07:40
I've tried both KB and Mouse paramters it was set to 64 by default for me and I tried recording via Macros on both Windows 10 and 11, I cannot see in any of my programs on my optimized BIOS+OS'es that it is making a difference.

100(64)
tried setting them to
10(16)
Maybe you typed something wrong, or you're just not capable of seeing it. It's pretty obvious for most people though. It's a legit tweak that's documented by microsoft.
I don't say you could be wrong just saying I don't think it does anything on my end since I've a Steelseries APEX TKL and acution point at 0.4 which extremely fast, in Rocket League I've been around top 100 for a long time each and every season.
My PC is some what very high-end as well.
240hz monitor
3080 FE Nvidia
G.Skill 4266mhz (15-15-15-28)
Asus Maximus XI CODE (modded)
Corsair 1000AXi
Every Cable is shielded as well.

Is there some important step I'm missing in the video, I'm trying this as well right now, this moment. Can't really feel the difference. I play Rocket League with KBM as well.

My problem is most likely the power as in many other threads.

Your problem is probably your 240hz monitor + gpu, still your setup is very premium. Your RAM could be unstable & what about your CPU ? I also play rocket league at a high level, try setting them both to 0, and can you send me a picture of yours so i can see if you misspelled something.
I will do when I get home I will try running at "0" and send you a screenshot of my settings in RegEdit
CPU is i9 9900K running at 5.0ghz. all the time. No Hyperthreads (HT)
GPU at 1980mhz with 60C
About my RAM I just tested it 2 days ago and it passed memtest86. ( I will test them again when I get home but I doubt it gonna change any result).

As I said I still don't think there is a difference on my end. I also tried 240hz in rl and 120hz there is no difference.
I still think it is power related 100% since its almost perfect already.

If you got some other tip on how I prevent the small few percentages from changing during specific hours please let me know,
@Eonds feels like I'm only chasing this last few %'s

Eonds
Posts: 262
Joined: 29 Oct 2020, 10:34

Re: Reduce Input Delay (Mouse & Keyboard Buffer Size)

Post by Eonds » 14 Sep 2021, 07:50

Rallaz wrote:
14 Sep 2021, 01:54
Eonds wrote:
13 Sep 2021, 17:13
Rallaz wrote:
13 Sep 2021, 13:00
Eonds wrote:
13 Sep 2021, 08:11


Maybe you typed something wrong, or you're just not capable of seeing it. It's pretty obvious for most people though. It's a legit tweak that's documented by microsoft.
I don't say you could be wrong just saying I don't think it does anything on my end since I've a Steelseries APEX TKL and acution point at 0.4 which extremely fast, in Rocket League I've been around top 100 for a long time each and every season.
My PC is some what very high-end as well.
240hz monitor
3080 FE Nvidia
G.Skill 4266mhz (15-15-15-28)
Asus Maximus XI CODE (modded)
Corsair 1000AXi
Every Cable is shielded as well.

Is there some important step I'm missing in the video, I'm trying this as well right now, this moment. Can't really feel the difference. I play Rocket League with KBM as well.

My problem is most likely the power as in many other threads.

Your problem is probably your 240hz monitor + gpu, still your setup is very premium. Your RAM could be unstable & what about your CPU ? I also play rocket league at a high level, try setting them both to 0, and can you send me a picture of yours so i can see if you misspelled something.
I will do when I get home I will try running at "0" and send you a screenshot of my settings in RegEdit
CPU is i9 9900K running at 5.0ghz. all the time. No Hyperthreads (HT)
GPU at 1980mhz with 60C
About my RAM I just tested it 2 days ago and it passed memtest86. ( I will test them again when I get home but I doubt it gonna change any result).

As I said I still don't think there is a difference on my end. I also tried 240hz in rl and 120hz there is no difference.
I still think it is power related 100% since its almost perfect already.

If you got some other tip on how I prevent the small few percentages from changing during specific hours please let me know,
@Eonds feels like I'm only chasing this last few %'s

Oh boy, you're in for a ride. Achieving low system latency is actually incredibly difficult. Just because your memory passes a memory test that doesn't mean it's 100% stable, i disable all ECC that i'm able to. Consider getting an AMD GPU & learning how to disable power saving features, setting fixed voltages + frequencies, optimizing your OS, reversing drivers, learning C & C++, Adjusting GPU memory timings, flashing unlocked bios, disabling Tile based rendering, etc. AMD gpu's have lower latency due to a whole host of reasons.

Rallaz
Posts: 45
Joined: 12 May 2020, 08:41

Re: Reduce Input Delay (Mouse & Keyboard Buffer Size)

Post by Rallaz » 14 Sep 2021, 08:01

Eonds wrote:
14 Sep 2021, 07:50
Rallaz wrote:
14 Sep 2021, 01:54
Eonds wrote:
13 Sep 2021, 17:13
Rallaz wrote:
13 Sep 2021, 13:00


I don't say you could be wrong just saying I don't think it does anything on my end since I've a Steelseries APEX TKL and acution point at 0.4 which extremely fast, in Rocket League I've been around top 100 for a long time each and every season.
My PC is some what very high-end as well.
240hz monitor
3080 FE Nvidia
G.Skill 4266mhz (15-15-15-28)
Asus Maximus XI CODE (modded)
Corsair 1000AXi
Every Cable is shielded as well.

Is there some important step I'm missing in the video, I'm trying this as well right now, this moment. Can't really feel the difference. I play Rocket League with KBM as well.

My problem is most likely the power as in many other threads.

Your problem is probably your 240hz monitor + gpu, still your setup is very premium. Your RAM could be unstable & what about your CPU ? I also play rocket league at a high level, try setting them both to 0, and can you send me a picture of yours so i can see if you misspelled something.
I will do when I get home I will try running at "0" and send you a screenshot of my settings in RegEdit
CPU is i9 9900K running at 5.0ghz. all the time. No Hyperthreads (HT)
GPU at 1980mhz with 60C
About my RAM I just tested it 2 days ago and it passed memtest86. ( I will test them again when I get home but I doubt it gonna change any result).

As I said I still don't think there is a difference on my end. I also tried 240hz in rl and 120hz there is no difference.
I still think it is power related 100% since its almost perfect already.

If you got some other tip on how I prevent the small few percentages from changing during specific hours please let me know,
@Eonds feels like I'm only chasing this last few %'s

Oh boy, you're in for a ride. Achieving low system latency is actually incredibly difficult. Just because your memory passes a memory test that doesn't mean it's 100% stable, i disable all ECC that i'm able to. Consider getting an AMD GPU & learning how to disable power saving features, setting fixed voltages + frequencies, optimizing your OS, reversing drivers, learning C & C++, Adjusting GPU memory timings, flashing unlocked bios, disabling Tile based rendering, etc. AMD gpu's have lower latency due to a whole host of reasons.
disabling Tile based rendering is litterly the only thing thats confused me here so far, is there something thats doable via nvidia service in regedit by tweaking a specific key or adding something? Nvidia Profile Inspector?

I feel like everything is very good interms of how things actually responds. I've disabled every possible ECC I can find and other power saving features, using the current best driver for my GPU etc of all that I have tested and optimized pretty much everything that would affect RL in Nvidia Profile Inspector.

As I said, just wondering about this "disabling Tile based rendering"
is there is any tweak for Nvidia regarding that, usually we either use Nvidia Profile Inspector or
edit something under " HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE > SYSTEM > CurrentControlSet > Services > nvlddmkm"

kind regards

EDIT: from what I see on the internet Nvidia calls this "CFR"?

Eonds
Posts: 262
Joined: 29 Oct 2020, 10:34

Re: Reduce Input Delay (Mouse & Keyboard Buffer Size)

Post by Eonds » 14 Sep 2021, 08:34

Rallaz wrote:
14 Sep 2021, 08:01
Eonds wrote:
14 Sep 2021, 07:50
Rallaz wrote:
14 Sep 2021, 01:54
Eonds wrote:
13 Sep 2021, 17:13



Your problem is probably your 240hz monitor + gpu, still your setup is very premium. Your RAM could be unstable & what about your CPU ? I also play rocket league at a high level, try setting them both to 0, and can you send me a picture of yours so i can see if you misspelled something.
I will do when I get home I will try running at "0" and send you a screenshot of my settings in RegEdit
CPU is i9 9900K running at 5.0ghz. all the time. No Hyperthreads (HT)
GPU at 1980mhz with 60C
About my RAM I just tested it 2 days ago and it passed memtest86. ( I will test them again when I get home but I doubt it gonna change any result).

As I said I still don't think there is a difference on my end. I also tried 240hz in rl and 120hz there is no difference.
I still think it is power related 100% since its almost perfect already.

If you got some other tip on how I prevent the small few percentages from changing during specific hours please let me know,
@Eonds feels like I'm only chasing this last few %'s

Oh boy, you're in for a ride. Achieving low system latency is actually incredibly difficult. Just because your memory passes a memory test that doesn't mean it's 100% stable, i disable all ECC that i'm able to. Consider getting an AMD GPU & learning how to disable power saving features, setting fixed voltages + frequencies, optimizing your OS, reversing drivers, learning C & C++, Adjusting GPU memory timings, flashing unlocked bios, disabling Tile based rendering, etc. AMD gpu's have lower latency due to a whole host of reasons.
disabling Tile based rendering is litterly the only thing thats confused me here so far, is there something thats doable via nvidia service in regedit by tweaking a specific key or adding something? Nvidia Profile Inspector?

I feel like everything is very good interms of how things actually responds. I've disabled every possible ECC I can find and other power saving features, using the current best driver for my GPU etc of all that I have tested and optimized pretty much everything that would affect RL in Nvidia Profile Inspector.

As I said, just wondering about this "disabling Tile based rendering"
is there is any tweak for Nvidia regarding that, usually we either use Nvidia Profile Inspector or
edit something under " HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE > SYSTEM > CurrentControlSet > Services > nvlddmkm"

kind regards

EDIT: from what I see on the internet Nvidia calls this "CFR"?


Reversing the nvidia driver is one way to find hidden dwords that can be applied via registry to modify power savings and others. Nvidia profile inspector is just doing it for you. Reversing the nvidia driver would allow you to see all hidden or otherwise unknown potential registry dwords that can be used. There's different methods on how to disable TBR, you can patch the driver call. There's no dword that can fully disable TBR on nvidia gpu's. I recommend disabling tile cache & write combining which can be done via patching the driver call or using the dword. I know the 441.41 driver works using DisableWriteCombining. There's just so much bullshit going on and it's really annoying that nvidia has to be this way.

Rallaz
Posts: 45
Joined: 12 May 2020, 08:41

Re: Reduce Input Delay (Mouse & Keyboard Buffer Size)

Post by Rallaz » 14 Sep 2021, 09:33

Eonds wrote:
14 Sep 2021, 08:34
Rallaz wrote:
14 Sep 2021, 08:01
Eonds wrote:
14 Sep 2021, 07:50
Rallaz wrote:
14 Sep 2021, 01:54


I will do when I get home I will try running at "0" and send you a screenshot of my settings in RegEdit
CPU is i9 9900K running at 5.0ghz. all the time. No Hyperthreads (HT)
GPU at 1980mhz with 60C
About my RAM I just tested it 2 days ago and it passed memtest86. ( I will test them again when I get home but I doubt it gonna change any result).

As I said I still don't think there is a difference on my end. I also tried 240hz in rl and 120hz there is no difference.
I still think it is power related 100% since its almost perfect already.

If you got some other tip on how I prevent the small few percentages from changing during specific hours please let me know,
@Eonds feels like I'm only chasing this last few %'s

Oh boy, you're in for a ride. Achieving low system latency is actually incredibly difficult. Just because your memory passes a memory test that doesn't mean it's 100% stable, i disable all ECC that i'm able to. Consider getting an AMD GPU & learning how to disable power saving features, setting fixed voltages + frequencies, optimizing your OS, reversing drivers, learning C & C++, Adjusting GPU memory timings, flashing unlocked bios, disabling Tile based rendering, etc. AMD gpu's have lower latency due to a whole host of reasons.
disabling Tile based rendering is litterly the only thing thats confused me here so far, is there something thats doable via nvidia service in regedit by tweaking a specific key or adding something? Nvidia Profile Inspector?

I feel like everything is very good interms of how things actually responds. I've disabled every possible ECC I can find and other power saving features, using the current best driver for my GPU etc of all that I have tested and optimized pretty much everything that would affect RL in Nvidia Profile Inspector.

As I said, just wondering about this "disabling Tile based rendering"
is there is any tweak for Nvidia regarding that, usually we either use Nvidia Profile Inspector or
edit something under " HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE > SYSTEM > CurrentControlSet > Services > nvlddmkm"

kind regards

EDIT: from what I see on the internet Nvidia calls this "CFR"?


Reversing the nvidia driver is one way to find hidden dwords that can be applied via registry to modify power savings and others. Nvidia profile inspector is just doing it for you. Reversing the nvidia driver would allow you to see all hidden or otherwise unknown potential registry dwords that can be used. There's different methods on how to disable TBR, you can patch the driver call. There's no dword that can fully disable TBR on nvidia gpu's. I recommend disabling tile cache & write combining which can be done via patching the driver call or using the dword. I know the 441.41 driver works using DisableWriteCombining. There's just so much bullshit going on and it's really annoying that nvidia has to be this way.
DisableWriteCombining

I have tried this on since 400.00+ drivers but it hasn't had any affect at all "DisableWriteCombining" but I'm using 456.38 as of right now I will test this when I get home and see if I notice anything but I stopped using it when I didnt notice any improvement.

I will also take a screennshot as I said earlier about regedit but I can ensure its already applid correctly.
I will also try mouse value 0 and keyboard 0 just for fun.

Thanks for your input so far

Rallaz
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Joined: 12 May 2020, 08:41

Re: Reduce Input Delay (Mouse & Keyboard Buffer Size)

Post by Rallaz » 14 Sep 2021, 10:44

@Eonds

here are the screenshot you asked for
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