Does Mousetester/LatencyMon respond to emi?
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Does Mousetester/LatencyMon respond to emi?
No matter how much i optimize my system, try different usb ports etc. my graphs are always the same.
Re: Does Mousetester/LatencyMon respond to emi?
It's not the best way to measure it.
Best would be to get a high speed camera and record it on a high hz monitor, but that's expensive and time consuming.
You could also try it with "feeling it" but you'd need to have good experience with not just using a mouse, but using it when it worked perfectly.
Best would be to get a high speed camera and record it on a high hz monitor, but that's expensive and time consuming.
You could also try it with "feeling it" but you'd need to have good experience with not just using a mouse, but using it when it worked perfectly.
Re: Does Mousetester/LatencyMon respond to emi?
The ferrite beads on the mouse cable should be able to reduce or mitigate electrical interference.inputlaghaver wrote: β21 Jun 2021, 21:06No matter how much i optimize my system, try different usb ports etc. my graphs are always the same.
As for the graph there are many tin foil hat tweakers that say that tweaking your OS can improve mousetester graphs but it's not true (unless you suffer from timing issues that desync readings, in this case make sure to disable HPET in OS and enable it in Bios + use ISLC when running mousetester graphs).
The main thing that matters is firmware optimizations, some mouse developers implement buffers to make mousetester graphs look less jittery, some others implement MotionSync to sync SPI with USB Polling events, the latter is more efficient in making the graph look better but it comes with an input lag reduction/penalty (depending on the implementation, MS reduces input lag with Razer's implementation but it does increase lag by around 1ms in 3370 implementations such as the Xm1r, GM41, Prime Wireless,..).
idk about LatencyMon.
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Re: Does Mousetester/LatencyMon respond to emi?
(not necessarily based on mousetester and lmon) Do you know of any signs that i could look for that might speak for emi? Because I've tried pretty much everything I could find after about a year and a half of googleing and troubleshooting and i'm just out of ideas on how to fix my inputlag :/axaro1 wrote: β23 Jun 2021, 03:21The ferrite beads on the mouse cable should be able to reduce or mitigate electrical interference.inputlaghaver wrote: β21 Jun 2021, 21:06No matter how much i optimize my system, try different usb ports etc. my graphs are always the same.
As for the graph there are many tin foil hat tweakers that say that tweaking your OS can improve mousetester graphs but it's not true (unless you suffer from timing issues that desync readings, in this case make sure to disable HPET in OS and enable it in Bios + use ISLC when running mousetester graphs).
The main thing that matters is firmware optimizations, some mouse developers implement buffers to make mousetester graphs look less jittery, some others implement MotionSync to sync SPI with USB Polling events, the latter is more efficient in making the graph look better but it comes with an input lag reduction/penalty (depending on the implementation, MS reduces input lag with Razer's implementation but it does increase lag by around 1ms in 3370 implementations such as the Xm1r, GM41, Prime Wireless,..).
idk about LatencyMon.
Re: Does Mousetester/LatencyMon respond to emi?
If you're worried about actual input latency just acquire a good CRT & razer 8kz mouse & 8khz keyboard. Make sure you use interrupt affinity policy tool to assign cores to each usb hub. This is probably fix all your problems. The issues your facing could basically be compensated for by doing that. No matter how much EMI reduction or tweaks you do it won't be enough. Interference will always occur even in lab environments. Hence why quantum computers are so hard to make! They have to use some sort of error correcting in them just like computers. Playing in the AM is noticeably smoother/responsive though probably due to cleaner electricity.
Re: Does Mousetester/LatencyMon respond to emi?
EMI are extremely hard to detect, Imo when you get the feeling of input lag there's 1 faulty piece of hardware in your setup, in my case it was a mouse that was supposed to be extremely low latency but ended up suffering from massive click latency inconsistencies.inputlaghaver wrote: β29 Jun 2021, 17:35(not necessarily based on mousetester and lmon) Do you know of any signs that i could look for that might speak for emi? Because I've tried pretty much everything I could find after about a year and a half of googleing and troubleshooting and i'm just out of ideas on how to fix my inputlag :/
I downgraded to a mouse with a worse sensor and worse click latency (according to different reviewers) and now my issue is gone.
If I was you I'd try to play with different setups, wether it's a mouse/mousepad/keyboard/monitor/... and see if you find any improvement.
The viper 8khz that was recommended by another user has MotionSync up to 4000hz that will make the mouse graph look flawless so if the issue that you are having is caused by sensor jitters it will completely fix it.
XL2566K* | XV252QF* | LG C1* | HP OMEN X 25 | XL2546K | VG259QM | XG2402 | LS24F350[RIP]
*= currently owned
MONITOR: XL2566K custom VT: https://i.imgur.com/ylYkuLf.png
CPU: 5800x3d 102mhz BCLK
GPU: 3080FE undervolted
RAM: https://i.imgur.com/iwmraZB.png
MOUSE: Endgame Gear OP1 8k
KEYBOARD: Wooting 60he
*= currently owned
MONITOR: XL2566K custom VT: https://i.imgur.com/ylYkuLf.png
CPU: 5800x3d 102mhz BCLK
GPU: 3080FE undervolted
RAM: https://i.imgur.com/iwmraZB.png
MOUSE: Endgame Gear OP1 8k
KEYBOARD: Wooting 60he
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Re: Does Mousetester/LatencyMon respond to emi?
what do you mean by crt?Eonds wrote: β29 Jun 2021, 19:58If you're worried about actual input latency just acquire a good CRT & razer 8kz mouse & 8khz keyboard. Make sure you use interrupt affinity policy tool to assign cores to each usb hub. This is probably fix all your problems. The issues your facing could basically be compensated for by doing that. No matter how much EMI reduction or tweaks you do it won't be enough. Interference will always occur even in lab environments. Hence why quantum computers are so hard to make! They have to use some sort of error correcting in them just like computers. Playing in the AM is noticeably smoother/responsive though probably due to cleaner electricity.
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Re: Does Mousetester/LatencyMon respond to emi?
I'm pretty sure I ruled out any hardware issues :/axaro1 wrote: β30 Jun 2021, 01:33EMI are extremely hard to detect, Imo when you get the feeling of input lag there's 1 faulty piece of hardware in your setup, in my case it was a mouse that was supposed to be extremely low latency but ended up suffering from massive click latency inconsistencies.inputlaghaver wrote: β29 Jun 2021, 17:35(not necessarily based on mousetester and lmon) Do you know of any signs that i could look for that might speak for emi? Because I've tried pretty much everything I could find after about a year and a half of googleing and troubleshooting and i'm just out of ideas on how to fix my inputlag :/
I downgraded to a mouse with a worse sensor and worse click latency (according to different reviewers) and now my issue is gone.
If I was you I'd try to play with different setups, wether it's a mouse/mousepad/keyboard/monitor/... and see if you find any improvement.
The viper 8khz that was recommended by another user has MotionSync up to 4000hz that will make the mouse graph look flawless so if the issue that you are having is caused by sensor jitters it will completely fix it.
Here's most of the stuff i've already tried to give you an idea: https://pastebin.com/FCApJ7ts
Re: Does Mousetester/LatencyMon respond to emi?
Cathode Ray Tube, AKA box tv's/monitors. Or a high end display like the 390hz acer.inputlaghaver wrote: β06 Jul 2021, 00:19what do you mean by crt?Eonds wrote: β29 Jun 2021, 19:58If you're worried about actual input latency just acquire a good CRT & razer 8kz mouse & 8khz keyboard. Make sure you use interrupt affinity policy tool to assign cores to each usb hub. This is probably fix all your problems. The issues your facing could basically be compensated for by doing that. No matter how much EMI reduction or tweaks you do it won't be enough. Interference will always occur even in lab environments. Hence why quantum computers are so hard to make! They have to use some sort of error correcting in them just like computers. Playing in the AM is noticeably smoother/responsive though probably due to cleaner electricity.
Re: Does Mousetester/LatencyMon respond to emi?
eonds if you dont test the dwords i will ban fanta from ur serverEonds wrote: β12 Aug 2021, 12:20Cathode Ray Tube, AKA box tv's/monitors. Or a high end display like the 390hz acer.inputlaghaver wrote: β06 Jul 2021, 00:19what do you mean by crt?Eonds wrote: β29 Jun 2021, 19:58If you're worried about actual input latency just acquire a good CRT & razer 8kz mouse & 8khz keyboard. Make sure you use interrupt affinity policy tool to assign cores to each usb hub. This is probably fix all your problems. The issues your facing could basically be compensated for by doing that. No matter how much EMI reduction or tweaks you do it won't be enough. Interference will always occur even in lab environments. Hence why quantum computers are so hard to make! They have to use some sort of error correcting in them just like computers. Playing in the AM is noticeably smoother/responsive though probably due to cleaner electricity.