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VenomLolo
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Microstutter, Hitching on new PC

Post by VenomLolo » 04 Oct 2021, 09:51

I´m going to try and explain my situation as detailed as i can sorry for long post.

I built my pc around december 2020 and it had this components:

-Ryzen 7 3700x
-Evga Rtx 3070 Xc3 Ultra
-G skill Trident Neo 16gbs 3600
-AsRock Velocita B550
-PSU Cougar BXM 850 Bronze
-1 SSD Nvme SK Hynix 500TB
-1 HDD Seagate Barracuda 2TB
-Case Cougar Blazer
-AIO Cougar Aqua 240
-Cougar Fans

At first I didnt had a monitor so I used my 55 inch samsung TV as monitor and it only refreshes at 60hz so I was playing like that and it was perfect, I remember downloading my first game being Devil may cry 5 which uses a very optimized game engine, I remember only having set my xmp profile on bios nothing else, Around February its when I started feeling the stutter issues and I was able to confirm while using an OSD (afterburner and rivatuner) If I tried capping the game at 60 fps with Vsync I was able to see the framerate go from 60 to 55 and the stutter was very noticeable, if left uncapped I suffered from screen tearing and stutter.

Fast forward, I bought my first monitor, 1440P, 144Hz, Msi Optix Mag 321CQR monitor. with freesync tech.
According to what I was able to read it says that the gpu was throwing a lot of frames and that the TV was not able to like process it and thats why I was seeing the hitch/stutters. Unfortunately this was not the case, and with this brand new monitor I was able to see the stutters at 144hz (GREAT!) I started using GPUZ to monitor the Gpu activity but I was not able to understand the graphs but I was able to understand that my clock speeds fluctuated a lot and the gpu usage as well even while setting "preferred max performance on" by this time I was not this knowledgeable (im still not) with Gpuz. So i thought my new rtx 3070 was the issue, I got a deal and traded my 5 months old card with a sealed RX 6800, DDu the drivers in safe mode, plugged the card and started playing some games and to my surprise I was experiencing the same situation with my brand new GPU (now team AMD) I felt really unlucky because 1 week ago I just acquired this new monitor and now this new gpu and the issues was not fixed.. Several "technicians" saw my pc but none of them were able to see what was going on, most of them said that it was the game bad optimization, (i was not able to play the sims 4 for example this one stutter really bad, Final fantasy 15 was unplayable fps drops from 144 to 125 and this felt really hard, )

Fast forward I changed my PSU from cougar bxm 850 to EVGA supernova 750 Platinum. (Because one technician told me it was power issues)
Same situation with games, I forgot to say that this doesnt happen with Esport Games such as Valorant, League of legends, and Overwatch, With Warzone the problem continues. So I continue checking with GPUZ and again I was able to see clock speed fluctuation with my new RX 6800, went to radeon settings and created profiles for every single game I played and set my max mhz to for example 2450 and the min to 2350mhz in order to maintain some stability with the clocks, this didnt helped at all.

I was also able to see some lines on gpuz that for me i interpret as drops, i will be using this internet image for example.
Image

on gpuz this readings occur on this same sections around power related graphs,

fast forward
I changed from ryzen to intel. And sold my Rx 6800 and grabbed a Evga Rtx 3080 FTW3 Ultra

Bought:
-Intel i7 10700k
-Asus Rog Strix Z490 F
-Evga Rtx 3080 FTW3 Ultra


DDU safe mode
Fresh Installed Windows
Installed Chipset Drivers

At this time it has been less over a year and I had changed my pc completely but for my rams and storage drives.
I have memtest my rams and no errors.

Now with my current setup I was able to see with afterburner while testing some games that my new cpu temperature was working really weird in comparison to my old ryzen 7 3700x

temps would be around 50 degrees and go all the way up to 75 in a second then go all the way down back to 60 and jump again back to 75 maybe 80 and it fluctuated a lot, someone told me to turn off asus MCE? multi core enhancement? So I went to Bios and set that off, I also went to the Asus bios and update it, Meanwhile on the bios I also set the frequency I wanted to 4.9 not 5.1, With some other settings in bios I kinda locked the max temp to be 75 with a voltage of 1.325 if im correct, Because with other settings and MCE ON the cpu package and individual cores would get really hot even in running in STOCK it was getting hot. This information was reflected on HWINFO it gave me yes thermal throttled (in stock and with other settings) So now I shifted from a latency problem to a brand new cpu motherboard combo getting hot AF. Somehow I think found a stability with 4.9 and the voltage and running Cinebench my cpu doesnt get that hot and hwinfo is not giving me thermal throttle **NEED TO FURTHER TEST**, I need help on how to further test my bios settings for my cpu. ¿If they are set correctly? but when reading the afterburner graphs i can see sometimes the individual cpus fluctuate a little but it gets as hot as 65-70 which I think is ok.

**STUTTER STILL EXIST**



GPU not overclocked, Boost lock in EVGA PX1 Software and fans at 80%, Sliders set to max as well.

Nvidia control panel setup profiles for every individual game.

*141 max frames
* preferred max performance
*low latency ultra
*highest refresh rate available

Setting up this changes on the control panel seems to help on some games for example World warZ aftermath is playable, Aragami 2 is playable as well but with a minor stutter every now and then.

But unfortunately with other games this is not the case, I really wonder why my fps drops this hard, I have wasted an incredible amount of money trying to fix this but to no avail, I have also exhausted myself trying to figure out what is going on. Technicians in my country scammed me saying its the games fault.

I used latencyMon like 3 times, in one instance it says my pc was suitable but the graph reading the current latency was fluctuating a lot.
in other instance with some minor tweaks it appears to be not suitable, please keep in mind that this was with my ryzen 7 cpu, When I uninstalled Realtek ethernet driver 2.5 and installed another one that also said 2.5 the graph reading the current latency was not spiking anymore.

I have not tried latencyMon with my new intel build.(important)

I have tried everything under the sun.

Different bios settings
No daisy chain pci cables
Fresh windows install like 6 times already.
Custom windows install (ghost spectre windows)
chipset drivers installed
device manager drivers updated
ULPS set to 0 (AMD RX6800)
Graphic settings to max performance with a game profile
Hardware-Accelerated GPU Scheduling on
Gamebar off
Xbox bar off

Basically most of my games will stutter, for example im playing alien fire team and im walking a little bit and frames are at 141 then they drop to 100 while entering to a new room and go back up to 141 stutter is very visible and graphics are not at ultra, I mainly try to set graphics like at mid high with no anti aliasing and shadows to min because all im trying to do is to play fluidly but unfortunately im unable to do, I have wasted so much money and Im alredy depressed because Im unable to enjoy my "descent gaming pc"

Even if the drop is around a couple of frames its still visible for example if the drop is around 141 to 135 it still stutters,
If i lock the game at 60fps it will drop to 55 and it will be visible, if i locked the game to 120 it will drop to 110 or 100 and visible as well... might as well play at 30fps at this rate.

This is my vimeo profile
https://vimeo.com/user144570294

you can see some GTA 5 gameplay and how the stutter manifest in game
and some little nightmare gameplay and how this also happens.
I dont know what else to add thanks for reading in advance!

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Re: Microstutter, Hitching on new PC

Post by VenomLolo » 05 Oct 2021, 09:01

BUMP :C

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Re: Microstutter, Hitching on new PC

Post by RealNC » 05 Oct 2021, 10:55

If you have any RGB software installed, uninstall it. They're known to cause stuttering.
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Re: Microstutter, Hitching on new PC

Post by jorimt » 05 Oct 2021, 11:24

VenomLolo wrote:
04 Oct 2021, 09:51
Even if the drop is around a couple of frames its still visible for example if the drop is around 141 to 135 it still stutters,
If i lock the game at 60fps it will drop to 55 and it will be visible, if i locked the game to 120 it will drop to 110 or 100 and visible as well... might as well play at 30fps at this rate.
Those are called "frametime spikes," where the system is actually dropping to an effective 0 FPS in said instances. That's why you're not able to prevent them no matter what you lock the average FPS to.

They happen when a frame or frames take longer than a single refresh cycle to render, at which point the previous frame must repeat its display until the next frame is ready, creating the appearance of stutter:
https://blurbusters.com/gsync/gsync101- ... spikes-101
What are Frametime Spikes?

Frametime spikes are an abrupt interruption of frames output by the system, and on a capable setup running an efficient game engine, typically occur due to loading screens, shader compilation, background asset streaming, auto saves, network activity, and/or the triggering of a script or physics system, but can also be exacerbated by an incapable setup, inefficient game engine, poor netcode, low RAM/VRAM and page file over usage, misconfigured (or limited game support for) SLI setups, faulty drivers, specific or excess background processes, in-game overlay or input device conflicts, or a combination of them all.

Not to be confused with other performance issues, like framerate slowdown or V-SYNC-induced stutter, frametime spikes manifest as the occasional hitch or pause, and usually last for mere micro to milliseconds at a time (seconds, in the worst of cases), plummeting the framerate to as low as the single digits, and concurrently raising the frametime to upwards of 1000ms before re-normalizing.

G-SYNC eliminates traditional V-SYNC stutter caused below the maximum refresh rate by repeated frames from delayed frame delivery, but frametime spikes still affect G-SYNC, since it can only mirror what the system is outputting. As such, when G-SYNC has nothing new to sync to for a frame or frames at a time, it must repeat the previous frame(s) until the system resumes new frame(s) output, which results in the visible interruption observed as stutter.

The more efficient the game engine, and the more capable the system running it, the less frametime spikes there are (and the shorter they last), but no setup can fully avoid their occurrence.
These instances have multiple causes, some of which can be mitigated, some of which can't. Even if you remove all the preventable causes, there will still be unpreventable causes that will create this form of stutter regardless.

That said, a couple instances depicted in your videos, where the screen pauses for more than a second (GTA and Little Nightmares in particular), do appear more extreme than expected. Deducing the exact cause remotely, through text, without hands-on your computer in-person is always the hard (usually impossible) part.
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Re: Microstutter, Hitching on new PC

Post by readtext » 05 Oct 2021, 11:57

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/window ... e-analyzer

download and install windows performance analyzer and run it while playing the game for 5mins where the stutter happens and stop it and save the file. Tell me if you did that

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Re: Microstutter, Hitching on new PC

Post by MegaMelmek » 05 Oct 2021, 12:06

Are these games online games? Because i dont know them…

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Re: Microstutter, Hitching on new PC

Post by deama » 05 Oct 2021, 14:14

You could try using linux, maybe it would work better?
If you do, make sure to install the low latency kernel, like liquinox.

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Re: Microstutter, Hitching on new PC

Post by nick4567 » 06 Oct 2021, 04:00

VenomLolo wrote:
04 Oct 2021, 09:51
I´m going to try and explain my situation as detailed as i can sorry for long post.

I built my pc around december 2020 and it had this components:

-Ryzen 7 3700x
-Evga Rtx 3070 Xc3 Ultra
-G skill Trident Neo 16gbs 3600
-AsRock Velocita B550
-PSU Cougar BXM 850 Bronze
-1 SSD Nvme SK Hynix 500TB
-1 HDD Seagate Barracuda 2TB
-Case Cougar Blazer
-AIO Cougar Aqua 240
-Cougar Fans

At first I didnt had a monitor so I used my 55 inch samsung TV as monitor and it only refreshes at 60hz so I was playing like that and it was perfect, I remember downloading my first game being Devil may cry 5 which uses a very optimized game engine, I remember only having set my xmp profile on bios nothing else, Around February its when I started feeling the stutter issues and I was able to confirm while using an OSD (afterburner and rivatuner) If I tried capping the game at 60 fps with Vsync I was able to see the framerate go from 60 to 55 and the stutter was very noticeable, if left uncapped I suffered from screen tearing and stutter.

Fast forward, I bought my first monitor, 1440P, 144Hz, Msi Optix Mag 321CQR monitor. with freesync tech.
According to what I was able to read it says that the gpu was throwing a lot of frames and that the TV was not able to like process it and thats why I was seeing the hitch/stutters. Unfortunately this was not the case, and with this brand new monitor I was able to see the stutters at 144hz (GREAT!) I started using GPUZ to monitor the Gpu activity but I was not able to understand the graphs but I was able to understand that my clock speeds fluctuated a lot and the gpu usage as well even while setting "preferred max performance on" by this time I was not this knowledgeable (im still not) with Gpuz. So i thought my new rtx 3070 was the issue, I got a deal and traded my 5 months old card with a sealed RX 6800, DDu the drivers in safe mode, plugged the card and started playing some games and to my surprise I was experiencing the same situation with my brand new GPU (now team AMD) I felt really unlucky because 1 week ago I just acquired this new monitor and now this new gpu and the issues was not fixed.. Several "technicians" saw my pc but none of them were able to see what was going on, most of them said that it was the game bad optimization, (i was not able to play the sims 4 for example this one stutter really bad, Final fantasy 15 was unplayable fps drops from 144 to 125 and this felt really hard, )

Fast forward I changed my PSU from cougar bxm 850 to EVGA supernova 750 Platinum. (Because one technician told me it was power issues)
Same situation with games, I forgot to say that this doesnt happen with Esport Games such as Valorant, League of legends, and Overwatch, With Warzone the problem continues. So I continue checking with GPUZ and again I was able to see clock speed fluctuation with my new RX 6800, went to radeon settings and created profiles for every single game I played and set my max mhz to for example 2450 and the min to 2350mhz in order to maintain some stability with the clocks, this didnt helped at all.

I was also able to see some lines on gpuz that for me i interpret as drops, i will be using this internet image for example.
Image

on gpuz this readings occur on this same sections around power related graphs,

fast forward
I changed from ryzen to intel. And sold my Rx 6800 and grabbed a Evga Rtx 3080 FTW3 Ultra

Bought:
-Intel i7 10700k
-Asus Rog Strix Z490 F
-Evga Rtx 3080 FTW3 Ultra


DDU safe mode
Fresh Installed Windows
Installed Chipset Drivers

At this time it has been less over a year and I had changed my pc completely but for my rams and storage drives.
I have memtest my rams and no errors.

Now with my current setup I was able to see with afterburner while testing some games that my new cpu temperature was working really weird in comparison to my old ryzen 7 3700x

temps would be around 50 degrees and go all the way up to 75 in a second then go all the way down back to 60 and jump again back to 75 maybe 80 and it fluctuated a lot, someone told me to turn off asus MCE? multi core enhancement? So I went to Bios and set that off, I also went to the Asus bios and update it, Meanwhile on the bios I also set the frequency I wanted to 4.9 not 5.1, With some other settings in bios I kinda locked the max temp to be 75 with a voltage of 1.325 if im correct, Because with other settings and MCE ON the cpu package and individual cores would get really hot even in running in STOCK it was getting hot. This information was reflected on HWINFO it gave me yes thermal throttled (in stock and with other settings) So now I shifted from a latency problem to a brand new cpu motherboard combo getting hot AF. Somehow I think found a stability with 4.9 and the voltage and running Cinebench my cpu doesnt get that hot and hwinfo is not giving me thermal throttle **NEED TO FURTHER TEST**, I need help on how to further test my bios settings for my cpu. ¿If they are set correctly? but when reading the afterburner graphs i can see sometimes the individual cpus fluctuate a little but it gets as hot as 65-70 which I think is ok.

**STUTTER STILL EXIST**



GPU not overclocked, Boost lock in EVGA PX1 Software and fans at 80%, Sliders set to max as well.

Nvidia control panel setup profiles for every individual game.

*141 max frames
* preferred max performance
*low latency ultra
*highest refresh rate available

Setting up this changes on the control panel seems to help on some games for example World warZ aftermath is playable, Aragami 2 is playable as well but with a minor stutter every now and then.

But unfortunately with other games this is not the case, I really wonder why my fps drops this hard, I have wasted an incredible amount of money trying to fix this but to no avail, I have also exhausted myself trying to figure out what is going on. Technicians in my country scammed me saying its the games fault.

I used latencyMon like 3 times, in one instance it says my pc was suitable but the graph reading the current latency was fluctuating a lot.
in other instance with some minor tweaks it appears to be not suitable, please keep in mind that this was with my ryzen 7 cpu, When I uninstalled Realtek ethernet driver 2.5 and installed another one that also said 2.5 the graph reading the current latency was not spiking anymore.

I have not tried latencyMon with my new intel build.(important)

I have tried everything under the sun.

Different bios settings
No daisy chain pci cables
Fresh windows install like 6 times already.
Custom windows install (ghost spectre windows)
chipset drivers installed
device manager drivers updated
ULPS set to 0 (AMD RX6800)
Graphic settings to max performance with a game profile
Hardware-Accelerated GPU Scheduling on
Gamebar off
Xbox bar off

Basically most of my games will stutter, for example im playing alien fire team and im walking a little bit and frames are at 141 then they drop to 100 while entering to a new room and go back up to 141 stutter is very visible and graphics are not at ultra, I mainly try to set graphics like at mid high with no anti aliasing and shadows to min because all im trying to do is to play fluidly but unfortunately im unable to do, I have wasted so much money and Im alredy depressed because Im unable to enjoy my "descent gaming pc"

Even if the drop is around a couple of frames its still visible for example if the drop is around 141 to 135 it still stutters,
If i lock the game at 60fps it will drop to 55 and it will be visible, if i locked the game to 120 it will drop to 110 or 100 and visible as well... might as well play at 30fps at this rate.

This is my vimeo profile
https://vimeo.com/user144570294

you can see some GTA 5 gameplay and how the stutter manifest in game
and some little nightmare gameplay and how this also happens.
I dont know what else to add thanks for reading in advance!
If ur problem is a settings problem then changing low latency mode to off instead of ultra will fix it low latency mode used to be pre-rendered frames so change that for stutter

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Re: Microstutter, Hitching on new PC

Post by VenomLolo » 06 Oct 2021, 14:48

RealNC wrote:
05 Oct 2021, 10:55
If you have any RGB software installed, uninstall it. They're known to cause stuttering.
This has happened before installing ICUE! I only install icue to change the polling rate of mouse and keyboard as of both of them are corsair, dark core mouse and corsair mk 70 v2 respectively

VenomLolo
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Re: Microstutter, Hitching on new PC

Post by VenomLolo » 06 Oct 2021, 14:49

readtext wrote:
05 Oct 2021, 11:57
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/window ... e-analyzer

download and install windows performance analyzer and run it while playing the game for 5mins where the stutter happens and stop it and save the file. Tell me if you did that
I will download this and inform you!

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