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Re: 1600 DPI can't loot in PUBG, Apex etc. menu is to fast.

Post by axaro1 » 09 Dec 2021, 06:42

2: Is it worth the trouble putting a Paracord on the Razer 8K?
It absolutely is but be aware that some cables don't support the Viper 8khz due to cable length/shielding.
I bought a cable from paracablemods 2.2m (that I used for another mouse) after pin swapping the JST socket to match the Viper 8khz layout I noticed that the leds on the pcb lit up but it didn't work, asked support on Discord what could be the issue and I was told that the maximum length that they use for the Viper 8khz is 1.5 meters.

I'm currently using the Xm1r cable for my Viper 8khz with no issues or polling rate inconsistencies, tested with mouserate_x86 and mousetester 1.5.3(couldn't find the exact length of the Flexcord 2.0, it is in the 1.8/1.9m range depending on the source that I use [EGG, Caseking, Rtings,...])
3: Is it worth the trouble putting ( tiger arc1) skates on it?
It depends on what you need, Tiger Arc 1 are good if you want control, Tiger 2 are faster, Corepads are somewhat inbetween Tiger 1 and Tiger 2, Tiger Ice are the smoothest and the ones I prefer.

I noticed that you plan to get another PCIe to USB card, personally I'd buy it as a last resort if all combinations of USB ports fail the USB lottery or you suffer from DPC latency issues.
Don't be scared to use onboard USB 3.0 pins that go straight to your PC case, I noticed that having the USB controller isolated from the rest of the I/O (or even DAC-UP USB for some Gigabyte boards with it's own isolated USB power design) can help.

8000hz is very buggy with Apex, I use 4000hz with 1600DPI (and 0.7sens), I can't loot with 3200dpi and 400 dpi makes it difficult to armorswap fast mid fight, looting with 1600dpi was weird at first but I got used to it since windows sens = looting sens.
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Re: 1600 DPI can't loot in PUBG, Apex etc. menu is to fast.

Post by daviddave1 » 09 Dec 2021, 06:53

axaro1 wrote:
09 Dec 2021, 06:42
2: Is it worth the trouble putting a Paracord on the Razer 8K?
It absolutely is but be aware that some cables don't support the Viper 8khz due to cable length/shielding.
I bought a cable from paracablemods 2.2m (that I used for another mouse) after pin swapping the JST socket to match the Viper 8khz layout I noticed that the leds on the pcb lit up but it didn't work, asked support on Discord what could be the issue and I was told that the maximum length that they use for the Viper 8khz is 1.5 meters.

I'm currently using the Xm1r cable for my Viper 8khz with no issues or polling rate inconsistencies, tested with mouserate_x86 and mousetester 1.5.3(couldn't find the exact length of the Flexcord 2.0, it is in the 1.8/1.9m range depending on the source that I use [EGG, Caseking, Rtings,...])
3: Is it worth the trouble putting ( tiger arc1) skates on it?
It depends on what you need, Tiger Arc 1 are good if you want control, Tiger 2 are faster, Corepads are somewhat inbetween Tiger 1 and Tiger 2, Tiger Ice are the smoothest and the ones I prefer.

I noticed that you plan to get another PCIe to USB card, personally I'd buy it as a last resort if all combinations of USB ports fail the USB lottery or you suffer from DPC latency issues.
Don't be scared to use onboard USB 3.0 pins that go straight to your PC case, I noticed that having the USB controller isolated from the rest of the I/O (or even DAC-UP USB for some Gigabyte boards with it's own isolated USB power design) can help.

8000hz is very buggy with Apex, I use 4000hz with 1600DPI (and 0.7sens), I can't loot with 3200dpi and 400 dpi makes it difficult to armorswap fast mid fight, looting with 1600dpi was weird at first but I got used to it since windows sens = looting sens.
Ty for the reply! I have put the Paracord on it. I wish i had it earlier. It is very very nice. Got the one from Caseking. Got the Tiger skates too. Those are not bad.

I also bought the PCIe usb card. Had to send it back cause it only go's to 1000 hz. I posted this 10 minutes before your post. Im going to post it again. Cause I need Chiefs help in it. I am afraid he reads over it cause its on the 2/3 page now of this post! :D
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Re: 1600 DPI can't loot in PUBG, Apex etc. menu is to fast.

Post by daviddave1 » 09 Dec 2021, 06:54

Chief Blur Buster wrote:
06 Dec 2021, 12:40
Oh, BTW, also -- those "special" ports on the motherboard indeed often uses a different USB chip, so playing the "USB port roulette" on the back of the motherboard actually makes a big difference. However, it's very crapshoot.

Someone did this and posted massively improved Razer 8KHz jitter graphs:
TIP: Always put high-Hz keyboard and high-Hz mouse on SEPARATE DEDICATED USB CHIPS.

If you have lots of USB devices, you definitely still want a PCIe USB card to de-congest congested root USB hubs, so you have three separate internal USB root hubs to independently process the traffic -- one for your high-Hz mouse, one for your high-Hz keyboard, and the rest of USB devices separate. And your card you purchased appears to have two separate USB chips, which gives you the convenience of using the same USB card to do two separate high-Hz devices, and/or to lighten your motherboard's USB processing workload.
Hi Chief! Unfortunate the https://www.amazon.com/Inateck-Bandwidt ... YHWFD?th=1 PCIe USB RedComets U21 card card only goes to 1000hz polling rate! (this came up in the mousetester v.1.5 and the Mousemovementrecorder on all the ports of the card) I had to send it back. If u don't mind: can u share what PCIe USB u got when testing the Viper 8k mouse? or the brand? I don't mind spending some $ and I understand there is always some risk involved if it works or not. That is np at all. Hope to hear from u !
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Re: 1600 DPI can't loot in PUBG, Apex etc. menu is to fast.

Post by Chief Blur Buster » 09 Dec 2021, 12:23

daviddave1 wrote:
09 Dec 2021, 06:54
Hi Chief! Unfortunate the https://www.amazon.com/Inateck-Bandwidt ... YHWFD?th=1 PCIe USB RedComets U21 card card only goes to 1000hz polling rate! (this came up in the mousetester v.1.5 and the Mousemovementrecorder on all the ports of the card) I had to send it back. If u don't mind: can u share what PCIe USB u got when testing the Viper 8k mouse? or the brand? I don't mind spending some $ and I understand there is always some risk involved if it works or not. That is np at all. Hope to hear from u !
Interesting! First time I heard this happen.

Historically, the USB3 implementations *should* support 0.125us micropolling implementation, even for a USB2 mouse.

I wonder why this card doesn't work with 0.125us poll intervals.

Definitely post an Amazon review on that one buddy -- you want to let the manufacturer know that card is worthless for the Razer 8KHz.
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Re: 1600 DPI can't loot in PUBG, Apex etc. menu is to fast.

Post by daviddave1 » 11 Dec 2021, 08:19

The https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00 ... 2d787&th=1 just arrived!! ( the one with the Fresco Logic fl100ex chipset with Satapower. I used the Fresco USB driver not the Microsoft one)

I am happy to say the 8K pollingrate works on this one.

Here are the results of mousetester 1.5. On the OLD SETUP.

Old situation: Razer Viper 8K mouse straight to the Asus TUF GAMING Z690-PLUS D4 Z690 motherboard on the 3.2. Gen 2 USB port and the Razer Huntsman Tournaments 1000hz keyboard on the 3.2. version Gen 1 USB port:

4000 pollingrate 1600 DPI:
4000 pollingrate 1600 dpi alleen muis en keyboard. muis onder.png
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8000 pollingrate 1600 DPI:
8000 pollin grate 1600 dpi alleen muis en keyboard muis onderlrechts en keyboard bovenrechtgs.png
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Below this post the 2 results of the NEW setup ( can only ad 3 pictures as attachments.)
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Re: 1600 DPI can't loot in PUBG, Apex etc. menu is to fast.

Post by daviddave1 » 11 Dec 2021, 08:27

NEW SETUP : with the Razer Viper 8K mouse on the new PCIe Fresco Logic fl100ex chipset card & the Razer Huntsman Tournaments 1000hz
keyboard straight to the Asus TUF GAMING Z690-PLUS D4 Z690 motherboard on the 3.2. Gen 2 USB port.


4000 pollingrate 1600 DPI:
4000 pollingrate 1600 dpi alleen muis en keyboard muisoprodekaart.png
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8000 pollingrate 1600 DPI:
8000 pollin grate 1600 dpi alleen muis onder op rode kaart keyboard boven.png
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I think the new setup looks pretty good especially with the 8k Pollingrate!! Now its time to give this setup a go! If u like to drop some feedback or advice: More then welcome! Tnx all! ( and tnx Chief especially! )
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