1600 DPI can't loot in PUBG, Apex etc. menu is to fast.

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1600 DPI can't loot in PUBG, Apex etc. menu is to fast.

Post by daviddave1 » 30 Nov 2021, 03:56

Hello everyone. I have the Razer 8K. ( with a Alienware 360 hz monitor, a 19-12900K and a 3080ti) ( i also posted this question in viewtopic.php?f=10&t=7569&start=690 )

I have 3 questions:

1: I Mainly play PUBG. When i put the mouse on 1600 DPI I can't loot cause the menu is to fast: I can't really drag looted items in PUBG from right to left cause the mouse cursor moves way to fast Its not worth it. I rather leave it on 800 DPI then. I can use 1600 DPI when i put the Windows 10 mouse sensitivity on 4/11. But does PUBG uses raw input when the loot screen is dependable on your windows sensitivity settings? I am also worried about pixel skipping when I mess with the Windows sens or raw accel on 1600 DPI.

My main 1st question:
Shall i play A :PUBG with 800 DPI, 6/11 Windows sensitivity or B: 1600 DPI, with 4/11 Windows sensitivity? ( both on 8k pollingrate) or C: 1600 DPI, with 6/11 Windows sensitivity and rawaccel?

2: Is it worth the trouble putting a Paracord on the Razer 8K?

3: Is it worth the trouble putting ( tiger arc1) skates on it?

I hope to hear from you guys!
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Re: 1600 DPI can't loot in PUBG, Apex etc. menu is to fast.

Post by Chief Blur Buster » 30 Nov 2021, 18:19

Game developers need to have 3 separate sensitivity settings in their games:

- Menu sensitivity
- Movement sensitivity
- Sniper scope sensivity

Some games already have this but not enough games.
Please complain to your favourite game developer and link to this thread.

We need menus that behave like 400-800dpi but 3200dpi-lowsens in turns/aiming.

Also I want to tell game developers about High Definition Mouse API

Game developers need to realize that 1000Hz is no longer enough.
A recent research paper proved this, too.

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You can choose 2000Hz to get 90% of the benefits of 8000Hz without the CPU hogging behaviours of 8000Hz, but I do personally still see further improvement from 4000Hz and 8000Hz (much harder unless you use strobing or extreme refresh rates like 390Hz).

Games perform with least stutters with 2000Hz+, high DPI, and low-sensitivity. But the problem is high DPI means fast mouse pointers unless you have a separate sensitivity adjustment for mouse pointer than for game turns. Game performance goes up at 3200dpi in Overwatch/Valorant but the menus are too fast, so need a separate sensitivity adjustment.

3200dpi at 1/8th sensitivity is the same mouse pointer speed as 400dpi.
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Re: 1600 DPI can't loot in PUBG, Apex etc. menu is to fast.

Post by Brainlet » 01 Dec 2021, 02:16

A lot of games use Windows sens scaling for 2D menus/inventories etc. but use raw input for 3D camera rotation.
You can use Windows Sensitivity Calculator to find the Windows sens that matches your 2D "eDPI" with a different DPI value.
Starting point for beginners: PC Optimization Hub

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Re: 1600 DPI can't loot in PUBG, Apex etc. menu is to fast.

Post by daviddave1 » 01 Dec 2021, 03:15

Chief Blur Buster wrote:
30 Nov 2021, 18:19
Game developers need to have 3 separate sensitivity settings in their games:

- Menu sensitivity
- Movement sensitivity
- Sniper scope sensivity

Some games already have this but not enough games.
Please complain to your favourite game developer and link to this thread.

We need menus that behave like 400-800dpi but 3200dpi-lowsens in turns/aiming.

Also I want to tell game developers about High Definition Mouse API

Game developers need to realize that 1000Hz is no longer enough.
A recent research paper proved this, too.

Image

Image

You can choose 2000Hz to get 90% of the benefits of 8000Hz without the CPU hogging behaviours of 8000Hz, but I do personally still see further improvement from 4000Hz and 8000Hz (much harder unless you use strobing or extreme refresh rates like 390Hz).

Games perform with least stutters with 2000Hz+, high DPI, and low-sensitivity. But the problem is high DPI means fast mouse pointers unless you have a separate sensitivity adjustment for mouse pointer than for game turns. Game performance goes up at 3200dpi in Overwatch/Valorant but the menus are too fast, so need a separate sensitivity adjustment.

3200dpi at 1/8th sensitivity is the same mouse pointer speed as 400dpi.
Tnx Chief!
Definitely gonna experiment with the 2000 pollingrate and 1600 dpi!! ( 8000 pollingrate and 1600 dpi feels more "flickery" on normal movements then 800 dpi with 8000 pollingrate ( after adjusting the sens ingame ofc.) So it feels I have less control. Could this be pixel skipping besides bad jitter sizes? Maybe the pollingrate has something to do with that.

I have 1 more question about Windows mouse sensitivity and the fast menus of 1600 dpi. Lots of people tell me to just put the Windows sensitivity from 6/11 to 4/11. According to them its a myth that touching these setting can alter your gameplay in a bad way outside of menus. What do you think? Is it totally save to put windows sensitivity on 4/11 to fix the fast menu issue?
I am not sure cause how can a game like PUBG or Apex use raw input if there menus rely on the Windows sens? Back in the day it was not done touching that windows mouse sens slider; leave it at 6/11 at any cost was the advice.. Raw input changed that notion? But how can a game like PUBG and Apex have raw input if there menus depend on the windows sens?

PS I am waiting for pro PUBG player and streamer TGLTN to come online on Twitch. So I can ask him why he did not switch to 4/11 on his 1600 DPI setup. ( keeping in mind he uses a Zowie mouse who does not support 8000 pollingrate)
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Re: 1600 DPI can't loot in PUBG, Apex etc. menu is to fast.

Post by slaver01 » 01 Dec 2021, 04:56

Chief Blur Buster wrote:
30 Nov 2021, 18:19
Game developers need to have 3 separate sensitivity settings in their games:

- Menu sensitivity
- Movement sensitivity
- Sniper scope sensivity

Some games already have this but not enough games.
Please complain to your favourite game developer and link to this thread.

We need menus that behave like 400-800dpi but 3200dpi-lowsens in turns/aiming.

Also I want to tell game developers about High Definition Mouse API

Game developers need to realize that 1000Hz is no longer enough.
A recent research paper proved this, too.

Image

Image

You can choose 2000Hz to get 90% of the benefits of 8000Hz without the CPU hogging behaviours of 8000Hz, but I do personally still see further improvement from 4000Hz and 8000Hz (much harder unless you use strobing or extreme refresh rates like 390Hz).

Games perform with least stutters with 2000Hz+, high DPI, and low-sensitivity. But the problem is high DPI means fast mouse pointers unless you have a separate sensitivity adjustment for mouse pointer than for game turns. Game performance goes up at 3200dpi in Overwatch/Valorant but the menus are too fast, so need a separate sensitivity adjustment.

3200dpi at 1/8th sensitivity is the same mouse pointer speed as 400dpi.
can I overclock a 1k to 2k mouse and have the same benefits as an 8k mouse set to 2k?

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Re: 1600 DPI can't loot in PUBG, Apex etc. menu is to fast.

Post by kyube » 01 Dec 2021, 06:45

As someone who was a long time 800dpi user and Apex player, the switch to 1600dpi was tough, for sure.
Especially on low resolution (due to budget GPU, 1050ti), I was playing on 720p - 540p in most games to get good framerates.
Now, I'm on 3200dpi and I switch through menu's and navigate in Windows on 1080p with ease.
I think people should just learn to adapt to better tech, think it's a mind game sometimes. Sure, it'll feel bad for a week, but then you'll get the hang of it easily and it'll feel like back home again! You'll never switch back to lower DPI lol

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Re: 1600 DPI can't loot in PUBG, Apex etc. menu is to fast.

Post by daviddave1 » 01 Dec 2021, 06:48

kyube wrote:
01 Dec 2021, 06:45
As someone who was a long time 800dpi user and Apex player, the switch to 1600dpi was tough, for sure.
Especially on low resolution (due to budget GPU, 1050ti), I was playing on 720p - 540p in most games to get good framerates.
Now, I'm on 3200dpi and I switch through menu's and navigate in Windows on 1080p with ease.
I think people should just learn to adapt to better tech, think it's a mind game sometimes. Sure, it'll feel bad for a week, but then you'll get the hang of it easily and it'll feel like back home again! You'll never switch back to lower DPI lol
Tnx kyube! that is good to look forward too. Can u please elaborate why u not switched the Windows sensitivity from 6/11 to 4/11? Is it still to risky changing this setting? do u use rawaccel ?
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Re: 1600 DPI can't loot in PUBG, Apex etc. menu is to fast.

Post by slaver01 » 01 Dec 2021, 08:35

daviddave1 wrote:
01 Dec 2021, 06:48
kyube wrote:
01 Dec 2021, 06:45
As someone who was a long time 800dpi user and Apex player, the switch to 1600dpi was tough, for sure.
Especially on low resolution (due to budget GPU, 1050ti), I was playing on 720p - 540p in most games to get good framerates.
Now, I'm on 3200dpi and I switch through menu's and navigate in Windows on 1080p with ease.
I think people should just learn to adapt to better tech, think it's a mind game sometimes. Sure, it'll feel bad for a week, but then you'll get the hang of it easily and it'll feel like back home again! You'll never switch back to lower DPI lol
Tnx kyube! that is good to look forward too. Can u please elaborate why u not switched the Windows sensitivity from 6/11 to 4/11? Is it still to risky changing this setting? do u use rawaccel ?
You should never move from 6/11 to .... Some post back explains why...

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=8501&hilit=Windows+sensitivity

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Re: 1600 DPI can't loot in PUBG, Apex etc. menu is to fast.

Post by daviddave1 » 01 Dec 2021, 10:37

slaver01 wrote:
01 Dec 2021, 08:35
daviddave1 wrote:
01 Dec 2021, 06:48
kyube wrote:
01 Dec 2021, 06:45
As someone who was a long time 800dpi user and Apex player, the switch to 1600dpi was tough, for sure.
Especially on low resolution (due to budget GPU, 1050ti), I was playing on 720p - 540p in most games to get good framerates.
Now, I'm on 3200dpi and I switch through menu's and navigate in Windows on 1080p with ease.
I think people should just learn to adapt to better tech, think it's a mind game sometimes. Sure, it'll feel bad for a week, but then you'll get the hang of it easily and it'll feel like back home again! You'll never switch back to lower DPI lol
Tnx kyube! that is good to look forward too. Can u please elaborate why u not switched the Windows sensitivity from 6/11 to 4/11? Is it still to risky changing this setting? do u use rawaccel ?
You should never move from 6/11 to .... Some post back explains why...

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=8501&hilit=Windows+sensitivity
tnx! I checked out that post. But I don't really see a hard statement there that u should never touch the 6/11 setting with proof backing it up why u shouldn't. Anyone else maybe also have some thoughts on this matter?
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Re: 1600 DPI can't loot in PUBG, Apex etc. menu is to fast.

Post by slaver01 » 01 Dec 2021, 10:48

You need to use 6/11, if you don't use raw input. Otherwise you don't have sensitivity you want and it leads to interpolation and pixel skipping!
Anyway, years ago it was recommended that you set your mouse sens in Windows to 6/11, that'd give you 1:1 mouse input.
Today, we usually have games handle input directly, via raw_input. Some apply interpolation/smoothing, but that's another issue, and can be turned off.

Thing is, regardless if your DPI is 400, 1600, or 12000, you have to adjust your sensitivity, right? But doesn't game sensitivity operate on a finer granularity like Windows one does - you have a position where it's 1:1, and if you lower it, some input gets dropped, if you raise it, some interpolation or doubling happens.

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