[Solved] Wrong Lod Bias | Jitters (Desync) - Damaged I/O System (Chipsets)

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Re: [Solved] Wrong Lod Bias | Jitters (Desync) - Damaged I/O System (Chipsets)

Post by Z3CrosS » 10 Jan 2025, 06:51

Tea wrote:
10 Jan 2025, 06:34
Z3CrosS wrote:
09 Jan 2025, 06:02
You can use Shadowplay or OBS, no matter which one you use. Start recording -> Open any folder and start to resize window frame fast and after you're done recording, you can play recorded video normally, and just stop playback at any time, and while picture is stopped, see there is any double cursor or not.
You can watch again my video with double cursor, and stop playback on youtube at anytime by yourself, and when you stop playback in any moment, you will see double cursor on my system from which i recorded it. Double cursor shows that one of the two systems became weak and incompatibility appeared.

If responsiveness of your mouse one day just became noticeable worse permanently, that's mean that something in chipsets is digraded. And in a same time, i would never advise you to use this mouse on any new PC/Consoles and other devices, and will be very questionable to connect new mouse to your old PC.
Each input / output tasks happens thank to i/o system, without this system, you just couldn't even write anything, and your screen will be always black, but CPU will be working - if system is designed to work without i/o.

This jitters which you see on screen, affects your gameplay, because in games, your aim - it's pano camera (like dot2testufo), if your picture would be unstable, you will have hard time to aim, and you will have this feeling of choppy/unstable mouse. Same happens on desktop, which shows you dota2test. + As you can see on your screen in dota2test, you see not only jitters, but you dont see names on a bottom picture - that's mean that while you be moving camera ingame all objects will be washing out aka blurry.

Sure you can live with that, and maybe you can even mitigate, if you tried to do what Naporitan provided in viewtopic.php?f=15&t=14025, and if after PC will start to work better or no difference, there is nothing you can do more with PC, it's hardware related.
I performed the operations in your video and verified that my computer also had the double cursor problem when performing the following operations. The following is the video: https://youtu.be/Y-e9YSs9VE8?si=iw0XSZ-h6GwZrtSs

I also installed the NVIDIA graphics driver, but I did not record this operation because it seems that there was no double cursor problem here. However, I noticed that after the driver was installed and the screen went black, the mouse cursor would automatically return to the center of the screen.
If I can, I will tell you about my experience with this problem. At first, I had been using Lenovo desktop computers and had never changed any system or hardware. Even if the computer was stuck, I would only reset the system instead of reinstalling Windows. But one day, I couldn't stand the computer's stuck, so I asked someone online to help me reinstall Windows. Obviously, the Windows he installed for me was a pirated version. The moment the system was installed, I picked up the mouse and felt something was wrong. The mouse seemed to have lost its sharpness and became slow. Later, I solved this problem by installing the original Lenovo system, but this method only worked twice and it never worked again.
1. You are right, double cursor.
2. You dont need to record Nvidia driver installation, i showed it on video for another purpose, dont take it in mind.
3. About Windows, you should never use pirated one for many reasons, OS its the same crucial thing as hardware, because it configures your whole hardware from scratch (same does system for "even" run bios on each PC startup).
If your mouse respons after that became worse, im afraid you cannot do much with that. You can install Windows from MCT and let it do it job, and viewtopic.php?f=15&t=14025 try this advises.
4. Next time you have to do things by yourself. Windows installation was made easy for users. Next time create MCT usb flash drive from Microsoft, and use it on new PC if you decide to change, and each next reinstallation must be provided from same flash usb drive to exclude any hypotetical incomptability faults or you can go in Microsoft office and purchase from them genuine Windows box Retail and install OS only from this USB drive from package (If you dont have Microsoft office in your region, better is not risk with stores, alot of fakes, and create MCT from Microsoft site and use it non activated till you manage to achieve 100% genuine Windows). On laptops never reinstall OS, you can, but, what will happen next hard to predict.
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Re: [Solved] Wrong Lod Bias | Jitters (Desync) - Damaged I/O System (Chipsets)

Post by Tea » 10 Jan 2025, 11:42

Z3CrosS wrote:
10 Jan 2025, 06:51
Tea wrote:
10 Jan 2025, 06:34
Z3CrosS wrote:
09 Jan 2025, 06:02
You can use Shadowplay or OBS, no matter which one you use. Start recording -> Open any folder and start to resize window frame fast and after you're done recording, you can play recorded video normally, and just stop playback at any time, and while picture is stopped, see there is any double cursor or not.
You can watch again my video with double cursor, and stop playback on youtube at anytime by yourself, and when you stop playback in any moment, you will see double cursor on my system from which i recorded it. Double cursor shows that one of the two systems became weak and incompatibility appeared.

If responsiveness of your mouse one day just became noticeable worse permanently, that's mean that something in chipsets is digraded. And in a same time, i would never advise you to use this mouse on any new PC/Consoles and other devices, and will be very questionable to connect new mouse to your old PC.
Each input / output tasks happens thank to i/o system, without this system, you just couldn't even write anything, and your screen will be always black, but CPU will be working - if system is designed to work without i/o.

This jitters which you see on screen, affects your gameplay, because in games, your aim - it's pano camera (like dot2testufo), if your picture would be unstable, you will have hard time to aim, and you will have this feeling of choppy/unstable mouse. Same happens on desktop, which shows you dota2test. + As you can see on your screen in dota2test, you see not only jitters, but you dont see names on a bottom picture - that's mean that while you be moving camera ingame all objects will be washing out aka blurry.

Sure you can live with that, and maybe you can even mitigate, if you tried to do what Naporitan provided in viewtopic.php?f=15&t=14025, and if after PC will start to work better or no difference, there is nothing you can do more with PC, it's hardware related.
I performed the operations in your video and verified that my computer also had the double cursor problem when performing the following operations. The following is the video: https://youtu.be/Y-e9YSs9VE8?si=iw0XSZ-h6GwZrtSs

I also installed the NVIDIA graphics driver, but I did not record this operation because it seems that there was no double cursor problem here. However, I noticed that after the driver was installed and the screen went black, the mouse cursor would automatically return to the center of the screen.
If I can, I will tell you about my experience with this problem. At first, I had been using Lenovo desktop computers and had never changed any system or hardware. Even if the computer was stuck, I would only reset the system instead of reinstalling Windows. But one day, I couldn't stand the computer's stuck, so I asked someone online to help me reinstall Windows. Obviously, the Windows he installed for me was a pirated version. The moment the system was installed, I picked up the mouse and felt something was wrong. The mouse seemed to have lost its sharpness and became slow. Later, I solved this problem by installing the original Lenovo system, but this method only worked twice and it never worked again.
1. You are right, double cursor.
2. You dont need to record Nvidia driver installation, i showed it on video for another purpose, dont take it in mind.
3. About Windows, you should never use pirated one for many reasons, OS its the same crucial thing as hardware, because it configures your whole hardware from scratch (same does system for "even" run bios on each PC startup).
If your mouse respons after that became worse, im afraid you cannot do much with that. You can install Windows from MCT and let it do it job, and viewtopic.php?f=15&t=14025 try this advises.
4. Next time you have to do things by yourself. Windows installation was made easy for users. Next time create MCT usb flash drive from Microsoft, and use it on new PC if you decide to change, and each next reinstallation must be provided from same flash usb drive to exclude any hypotetical incomptability faults or you can go in Microsoft office and purchase from them genuine Windows box Retail and install OS only from this USB drive from package (If you dont have Microsoft office in your region, better is not risk with stores, alot of fakes, and create MCT from Microsoft site and use it non activated till you manage to achieve 100% genuine Windows). On laptops never reinstall OS, you can, but, what will happen next hard to predict.
Thank you for your advice, but I have a few questions: What is MCT? How can I solve this problem now? I have read your article over and over again, but the language barrier leads to some misunderstandings. Can I now buy a genuine Windows system and install it on my existing problematic computer? If not, can I just buy a Lenovo branded computer? This will completely meet the conditions you mentioned for a brand new computer and a brand new system?

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Re: [Solved] Wrong Lod Bias | Jitters (Desync) - Damaged I/O System (Chipsets)

Post by Z3CrosS » 10 Jan 2025, 13:09

MCT - Media Creation Tool Microsoft Windows
Windows cannot "heal" these symptoms and any other operation systems. The clue is to prevent this to be happened by properly hardware usage.

If this bother you, you have to read Act2 in the article.

But short answer, yes you can buy new laptop from Lenovo only with preinstalled Windows from factory (you have to google which models have preinstalled Win11) and if you bought it, you don't need to use MCT on new laptop, because Windows is already preinstalled there, store must be trusted, but all you do or not do it's on your own risk, because i'm not a manufacturer nor a store, i do not promote to buy any particular things.
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Re: [Solved] Wrong Lod Bias | Jitters (Desync) - Damaged I/O System (Chipsets)

Post by Tea » 11 Jan 2025, 02:32

Z3CrosS wrote:
10 Jan 2025, 13:09
MCT - Media Creation Tool Microsoft Windows
Windows cannot "heal" these symptoms and any other operation systems. The clue is to prevent this to be happened by properly hardware usage.

If this bother you, you have to read Act2 in the article.

But short answer, yes you can buy new laptop from Lenovo only with preinstalled Windows from factory (you have to google which models have preinstalled Win11) and if you bought it, you don't need to use MCT on new laptop, because Windows is already preinstalled there, store must be trusted, but all you do or not do it's on your own risk, because i'm not a manufacturer nor a store, i do not promote to buy any particular things.
What if the Lenovo computer I bought is a used one and sold to me as a new one? As you know, almost all computer stores have a policy of no returns or exchanges after activation. In this case, if I turn on the computer and enter the system and find that there is still this problem, I can't return it, and I will lose more money.

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Re: [Solved] Wrong Lod Bias | Jitters (Desync) - Damaged I/O System (Chipsets)

Post by Z3CrosS » 11 Jan 2025, 06:41

Tea wrote:
11 Jan 2025, 02:32
Z3CrosS wrote:
10 Jan 2025, 13:09
MCT - Media Creation Tool Microsoft Windows
Windows cannot "heal" these symptoms and any other operation systems. The clue is to prevent this to be happened by properly hardware usage.

If this bother you, you have to read Act2 in the article.

But short answer, yes you can buy new laptop from Lenovo only with preinstalled Windows from factory (you have to google which models have preinstalled Win11) and if you bought it, you don't need to use MCT on new laptop, because Windows is already preinstalled there, store must be trusted, but all you do or not do it's on your own risk, because i'm not a manufacturer nor a store, i do not promote to buy any particular things.
What if the Lenovo computer I bought is a used one and sold to me as a new one? As you know, almost all computer stores have a policy of no returns or exchanges after activation. In this case, if I turn on the computer and enter the system and find that there is still this problem, I can't return it, and I will lose more money.
i'm not a manufacturer nor a store to give you any guarantee or warranty on purchase, i do not promote to buy any particular things.
i'm not a payed support team. Im answering and trying to be polite because i have good heart i think and totally understand that entry threshold here must be higher than an average PC user/knowledge, but i will not always be here, and for that reasons i did article.

i showed to people the culprit and discribed everything, how they can test & solve this issue if they are bothered too much about it. i provided benchmarks which are never lie. Some people dont understand what i gave em:
Now you dont need to go in local RMA to pay gold for "diagnostics"/ultimate tweaks & for payed "awesome software configuration", you dont need to change your whole electricity cables in your house etc. You can test everything sitting in your house, and even can go to your mates and test their PCs to see there is any difference or not. <- this is giving the mind freedom as minimum. And all of this for FREE. And this information is totally unique.
And now you are asking me to find for you new devices with 100% guarantee on flawless success, and again for free. You are asking too much.
Nor me, nor stores / manufacturers will never give you that, because:
Man bought new board and connected everything old to it (some parts was bought from used market to it), booted PC and everything same all almost same, and what?
Your example with pirated OS, its not your friend which you have to blame, it's you, because it's your hardware and you allowed him do it. It was not correct OS, no matter pirated or not, or/and not proper device usage if it someday was stuck on boot (some people buy gaming laptops, and play on maximum performance with unlocked fps, and after 4 days they have same or some permanent PC inconviences). But you decided to let install pirated. I know why you decided to allow him to do that, but it's only an excuse, in reality this move shows only one thing you tried to scamm Microsoft intentional or not. And that's why people could be too scamm (majority of people not a white rabbits). And i don't know why ever you have to use pirated OS, Microsoft gifted for people free non activated Windows which you can download directly from Microsoft and use it on PC if you built a PC, till you can manage to achieve genuine. Anyway it was your fault, like it or not, and for faults you have to pay the price. Same as me with Ram incident.
Same could be correspond to stores, they could be scamm intentional or not: do they honest or not, from where they took components/Pcs/laptops, where and how they store em and etc. Even stores itself could be scammed without any noticing.

If i don't want to help people who like gaming, this article would never appeared, but choices with hardware you have to make by yourself (what you want, where to buy, which store you choose, or maybe not need to buy anything, but anyway, someday you will come with decision to change PC and when the time come, you have to be very carefull with each step).
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Re: [Solved] Wrong Lod Bias | Jitters (Desync) - Damaged I/O System (Chipsets)

Post by Tea » 12 Jan 2025, 14:22

Z3CrosS wrote:
11 Jan 2025, 06:41
Tea wrote:
11 Jan 2025, 02:32
Z3CrosS wrote:
10 Jan 2025, 13:09
MCT - Media Creation Tool Microsoft Windows
Windows cannot "heal" these symptoms and any other operation systems. The clue is to prevent this to be happened by properly hardware usage.

If this bother you, you have to read Act2 in the article.

But short answer, yes you can buy new laptop from Lenovo only with preinstalled Windows from factory (you have to google which models have preinstalled Win11) and if you bought it, you don't need to use MCT on new laptop, because Windows is already preinstalled there, store must be trusted, but all you do or not do it's on your own risk, because i'm not a manufacturer nor a store, i do not promote to buy any particular things.
What if the Lenovo computer I bought is a used one and sold to me as a new one? As you know, almost all computer stores have a policy of no returns or exchanges after activation. In this case, if I turn on the computer and enter the system and find that there is still this problem, I can't return it, and I will lose more money.
i'm not a manufacturer nor a store to give you any guarantee or warranty on purchase, i do not promote to buy any particular things.
i'm not a payed support team. Im answering and trying to be polite because i have good heart i think and totally understand that entry threshold here must be higher than an average PC user/knowledge, but i will not always be here, and for that reasons i did article.

i showed to people the culprit and discribed everything, how they can test & solve this issue if they are bothered too much about it. i provided benchmarks which are never lie. Some people dont understand what i gave em:
Now you dont need to go in local RMA to pay gold for "diagnostics"/ultimate tweaks & for payed "awesome software configuration", you dont need to change your whole electricity cables in your house etc. You can test everything sitting in your house, and even can go to your mates and test their PCs to see there is any difference or not. <- this is giving the mind freedom as minimum. And all of this for FREE. And this information is totally unique.
And now you are asking me to find for you new devices with 100% guarantee on flawless success, and again for free. You are asking too much.
Nor me, nor stores / manufacturers will never give you that, because:
Man bought new board and connected everything old to it (some parts was bought from used market to it), booted PC and everything same all almost same, and what?
Your example with pirated OS, its not your friend which you have to blame, it's you, because it's your hardware and you allowed him do it. It was not correct OS, no matter pirated or not, or/and not proper device usage if it someday was stuck on boot (some people buy gaming laptops, and play on maximum performance with unlocked fps, and after 4 days they have same or some permanent PC inconviences). But you decided to let install pirated. I know why you decided to allow him to do that, but it's only an excuse, in reality this move shows only one thing you tried to scamm Microsoft intentional or not. And that's why people could be too scamm (majority of people not a white rabbits). And i don't know why ever you have to use pirated OS, Microsoft gifted for people free non activated Windows which you can download directly from Microsoft and use it on PC if you built a PC, till you can manage to achieve genuine. Anyway it was your fault, like it or not, and for faults you have to pay the price. Same as me with Ram incident.
Same could be correspond to stores, they could be scamm intentional or not: do they honest or not, from where they took components/Pcs/laptops, where and how they store em and etc. Even stores itself could be scammed without any noticing.

If i don't want to help people who like gaming, this article would never appeared, but choices with hardware you have to make by yourself (what you want, where to buy, which store you choose, or maybe not need to buy anything, but anyway, someday you will come with decision to change PC and when the time come, you have to be very carefull with each step).
I know what you mean bro, I've read your article over and over again, and I really want to try your suggestions, but due to financial pressure, I haven't implemented it yet, because to be honest, I'm not 100% sure that my problem is consistent with the problem you said (although I have double cursors, if you are sure that my problem is consistent with the problem you said, please let me know, thank you), I believe that most people's problems here are about the mouse. The mouse has become very slow and bulky, and it can't feel like it used to stop and start. In addition, it may be related to my sensitivity. I really can't notice the graphics problem (the only graphics problem I have found so far is that the video stretching ratio recorded by a normal computer and an abnormal computer under the same settings is different) or fps problem. It would be better if you can describe in more detail what obvious symptoms the mouse will have due to this problem, because the mouse response you mentioned is too general. I believe your article because I have fixed this problem twice for no apparent reason, but strangely, not all parts had to be replaced as you said. The first time, I had someone install a pirated Windows, which is undoubtedly in line with your article. I was wrong, but a few days later, I fixed the problem by reinstalling the original Windows on this computer, and the mouse became controllable again. (Three months after the problem was solved, I installed an 8G memory stick to the computer. I vaguely remember that it was fine a few days ago, but suddenly one day the computer could not be turned on, and it could only be turned on by plugging and unplugging the memory stick. I am not sure whether the above memory stick incident is related to the problem, because the problem had already occurred before the memory stick was installed). The second time the problem occurred, there was no sign at all. I don’t remember what I did to the computer or Windows at all, or in other words, I didn’t make any changes to the computer at all. Because of the first experience, I couldn’t install another Windows again. I tried the first operation again after a few months of the problem, and it worked. This time I still didn’t change any hardware, but after the third problem, this method has not worked until now. So could you please look at my experience and see if it can be related to the problem and solution you mentioned?

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Re: [Solved] Wrong Lod Bias | Jitters (Desync) - Damaged I/O System (Chipsets)

Post by Z3CrosS » 14 Jan 2025, 11:45

You can go and buy new mouse, or few expensive mouses, you can take mouses from mates, if you see that no matter which mouse you use, you have same choppy/not accurate movements, so i think you will understand where is located the culprit. But i wouldnt reccomend you to buy new mouses for old PC, because will be the same.

Now you dont need to go in local RMA to pay gold for "diagnostics"/ultimate tweaks & for payed "awesome software configuration", you dont need to change your whole electricity cables in your house etc. You can test everything sitting in your house, just read carefully article and make after carefully decisions

choices with hardware you have to make by yourself (what you want, where to buy, which store you choose, or maybe not need to buy anything, but anyway, someday you will come with decision to change PC and when the time come, you have to be very carefull with each step).
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Re: [Solved] Wrong Lod Bias | Jitters (Desync) - Damaged I/O System (Chipsets)

Post by Z3CrosS » 19 Jan 2025, 13:18

Ok, i've decided to reveal next portion of candies
It's kinda nice that people have discussions about fast flash and double mouses, so let we add an additional component to the puzzle :mrgreen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzTG9gO ... p=gAQBiAQB
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https://youtu.be/AGKJYO6hVPo?si=gFmSHAASbORx4aVw
https://youtu.be/pcBYP9l5dAQ?si=SP-pJcNld4jPbhoO
Your point of interest is MS and + other things

https://youtu.be/1t3h9osiFuE?si=GuYPenSCUPsFldyk&t=40
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Post by 1000WATT » 19 Jan 2025, 17:20

https://youtu.be/WZstKRcdZks?t=194

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