Saying the truth and being nice is not mutually exclusive.
Anyway, I do think this thread has really run its course. Too many offtopic offshoots that is now offtopic from "Best windows for competitive gaming". Moving to Offtopic Lounge.
Saying the truth and being nice is not mutually exclusive.
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1. Irrelevant.schizobeyondpills wrote: ↑09 Jun 2020, 14:24
1. these "pros" are just kids
2. there is not enough integirty in eSports due to low $, tight burnout timespan (16-24) after that your reflexes start to degrade
3. pros dont really practice on the same tryhard level as pro's of other sports such as IRL ones(due to them being kids, paired with having bad understanding of how to practice properly, not having a team of professionals (due to low payments of esports), not being mature enough to self-reflect and discipline themselves properly)
4. if they shit-talk a product for being bad, they wont get sponsorship deals both from that company and other, this is further backed up by low money they make from actually being good at the game compared to sponsorship deals from major companies(look at gaming chairs for example)
5. if those pros you praise so much were given a free tuning/tweaking/oc'ing service on their own setup, their performance would improve 10-20% AT LEAST
6. you could've invested 2 hours of your time to install windows 7, debloat it, measure latency, measure mouse movement and conclude yourself
7. we are as real as it gets, since we dont operate on perceived imaginary authority like you, but rather on raw measured data from tools as well as evidence from documentation which clearly shows how, where and why 7 beats 10.
anything else?
10 posts i made on this forum are worth more than all posts on reddit and youtube benchmark videos combined in lag/latency reduction info
Talking from personal experience. Professional gamers are nothing special, they are all normal people who specialize at something specific and they have achieved elite level in comparison to other humans at doing this particular thing. This is no different from any other specialization that every human has. I have known many pros over the years, and i agree 100% that an appeal to authority argument is meaningless here. What pros do, how they do things, why they do things, what hardware and setting they use or what they recommend is irrelevant. No one should be taking an advice regarding windows / game settings, hardware advice from professional gamers, because almost none of them specialize in this area. Almost all of them either use personal preferences, try to copy each other or they have read some articles / watch some videos and then they try to pass that "knowledge" from an authorative perspective. There are very few pros who are actually a generally smart and knowledable people in different areas and outside of their gaming & skillset specialty. And thats just the truth and it applies to all other areas of life too.
I don't think that is true. I think this is all about motivation and about goals and achievements, exactly the same as with any other sport. Once you are not fully committed, you lose a step, and because of that your performance suffers. Not because you are getting older.schizobeyondpills wrote: ↑09 Jun 2020, 14:24tight burnout timespan (16-24) after that your reflexes start to degrade
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. I have been gaming since internet-cafes era, and what you said here is a completely nonsensical argument. Tuning/tweaking/oc'ing is literally nothing compared to the actual skill that the player poses, and elite players will deliver high performance even on a bad / slow setup ups. The next big thing is internet connection performance. You can have best hardware in the world with the best tuning/tweaking/oc'ing, but it will all mean nothing if you are being crippled and bottlenecked by a poor internet connection. After both of these factors there is a big gap... ... ... and then, there are slight hardware & tuning/tweaking/oc'ing benefits which are mostly situation / game specific.schizobeyondpills wrote: ↑09 Jun 2020, 14:245. if those pros you praise so much were given a free tuning/tweaking/oc'ing service on their own setup, their performance would improve 10-20% AT LEAST
And still, Win7/Win10 debate is IMO completely irrelevant compared to the actual skill of the player (1st biggest factor) and the actual internet connection performance (2nd biggest factor). On LAN they all use the same system anyway, and when gaming via internet, OS / hardware / tuning/tweaking/oc'ing plays very little role when it comes to delivering high level gaming performance (results wise).schizobeyondpills wrote: ↑09 Jun 2020, 14:247. we are as real as it gets, since we dont operate on perceived imaginary authority like you, but rather on raw measured data from tools as well as evidence from documentation which clearly shows how, where and why 7 beats 10.
anything else?
Maybe it is so. But all of your statements and opinions are not very interesting until you provide your own test results with a demonstration before and after. With hardware and software. This topic legally went offtopic. A lot of posts, but no one’s delays didn’t decrease, and e-sports did not fly up to the level of the Olympic Games. YouTube and reddit can be omitted as an example, so the topic of delays is more suitable for the overclockers forum. Are your 10 posts worth more than all overclocker forum test combined with information on reducing delays ?schizobeyondpills wrote: ↑09 Jun 2020, 22:4610 posts i made on this forum are worth more than all posts on reddit and youtube benchmark videos combined in lag/latency reduction info
LANs are not to be taken seriously as long as players can bring their own peripherals (which is also just one of many possible methods of injecting).
mello wrote: ↑10 Jun 2020, 07:02Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. I have been gaming since internet-cafes era, and what you said here is a completely nonsensical argument. Tuning/tweaking/oc'ing is literally nothing compared to the actual skill that the player poses, and elite players will deliver high performance even on a bad / slow setup ups.
It's possibly partially related to the training effect, a subchapter (2nd post) of the Milliseconds Matter: The Amazing Human Visible Feats Of The Millisecond thread.
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Hey Mello, thanks for your thoughtful reply -- always enjoy reading your posts.mello wrote: ↑10 Jun 2020, 07:02Talking from personal experience. Professional gamers are nothing special, they are all normal people who specialize at something specific and they have achieved elite level in comparison to other humans at doing this particular thing. This is no different from any other specialization that every human has. I have known many pros over the years, and i agree 100% that an appeal to authority argument is meaningless here. What pros do, how they do things, why they do things, what hardware and setting they use or what they recommend is irrelevant. No one should be taking an advice regarding windows / game settings, hardware advice from professional gamers, because almost none of they specialize in this area. Almost all of them either use personal preferences, try to copy each other or they have read some articles / watch some videos and then they try to pass that "knowledge" from a authorative perspective. There are very few pros who are actually a generally smart and knowledable people in different areas and outside of their gaming & skillset specialty. And thats just the truth and it applies to all other areas of life too.
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This is completely irrelevant to what i said. I was not even talking about cheating.Brainlet wrote: ↑10 Jun 2020, 11:36LANs are not to be taken seriously as long as players can bring their own peripherals (which is also just one of many possible methods of injecting).
https://www.reddit.com/r/VACsucks/comme ... tacted_to/
https://www.reddit.com/r/VACsucks/comme ... _pro_csgo/
Unfortunately, this is not how it works. An appeal to any authority should be avoided entirely, as it is simply not a valid way of argumentation to support anyone's viewpoint. The only thing that matters is the existence of data and/or scientific evidence in a support of an argument that has been made. The only legit authority is the one with the data and science on its side, any other authority, and especially the one that screams: "trust me, i'm an expert" should not to be trusted blindly.
This is the literal definition of pseudo-evidence.Brainlet wrote: ↑10 Jun 2020, 11:36
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX31kZb ... .be&t=1025
You can clearly see the scaling in this video. Also, have you ever asked yourself how shroud comes in 4th place out of 5 people when confronted with a mouse that's not his own? Beaten by a casual tech youtuber
Bingo ! There is quite a big difference between adaptation period between different humans when it comes to changes in environment / circumstances / supporting gear that is being used etc. When it comes to gaming, i have seen both kinds of the spectrum. Great online players (100% clean), not performing as well on LAN, as well as the opposite, average or overall good online players performing phenomenally on LAN etc. I also knew people who only needed to set up their sensitivity correctly and they were able to deliver a constant and a high level performance on random PC's, random monitors, and even using generic mouse & generic headphones etc. And i have seen the opposite too, some people needed to set up everything perfectly on LAN and as close as possible to their home set up, to perform at their best.Chief Blur Buster wrote: ↑10 Jun 2020, 12:29It's possibly partially related to the training effect, a subchapter (2nd post) of the Milliseconds Matter: The Amazing Human Visible Feats Of The Millisecond thread.
In the spirit of Blur Busters esports commentary neutrality, we see the obvious: Professional olympics sprinters can fall several places back suddenly in practice runs when they switched equipment such as shoe brands as one example. Football players that normally play only on grass vs astroturf, suddenly try to play on a different field surface and fail more often. Environment change and/or equipment change issues can turn a champion player into an average or below-average player. There are those who adapt faster, others adapt slower, when adapting to a different environment/equipment.
Same goes for you Chief Love the complexity, attention to detail and the wide range of information and help that you are sharing and providing here.Chief Blur Buster wrote: ↑10 Jun 2020, 12:29Hey Mello, thanks for your thoughtful reply -- always enjoy reading your posts.
You have proved that many times before and you continue to do so. Some of your recent posts & information regarding your background, history of BB, the way your brain works (an exchange with flood IIRC) etc. were fascinating to read.Chief Blur Buster wrote: ↑10 Jun 2020, 12:29The good old adage, "Jack of all trades, masters of none" is quite true. Blur Busters is stupendously specialized on display temporals (refresh rates, frame rates, GtG, MPRT, strobing, blur, etc), and we excel as an authority on those matters.
As the community grows, the more chance of having heated discussions on a relevant topics in the forums. This is a normal progression of things. Personally, i have a big tolerance when it comes to stronger language or even slight insults, and especially when both parties are actually able to deliver a detailed information that supports both of their arguments. Sometimes, more heated exchanges is how people learn more or notice flaws in their logic, rationale and arguments.Chief Blur Buster wrote: ↑10 Jun 2020, 12:29Likewise, none of us are perfect moderators, but we are proud that our forum has not degraded to Twitter-style discourse levels... (BTW, @BlurBusters is on Twitter, as a good influence).