LG 27" 1440p 240hz OLED Ultragear 27GR95QE

High Hz on OLED produce excellent strobeless motion blur reduction with fast GtG pixel response. It is easier to tell apart 60Hz vs 120Hz vs 240Hz on OLED than LCD, and more visible to mainstream. Includes WOLED and QD-OLED displays.
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Re: LG 27" 1440p 240hz OLED Ultragear 27GR95QE

Post by akrios » 14 Dec 2022, 18:29

Chief Blur Buster wrote:
14 Dec 2022, 01:13
vityafx wrote:
13 Dec 2022, 03:41
I wonder, is OLED really that much blurrier than what ViewSonic has? So yes, it won't have overshoots and ghosting, but the image looks much blurrier to me.
There are two ways to reduce motion blur:

1. Strobe-based motion blur reduction. (XG2431 is superior)
2. Brute framerate-based motion blur reduction. (OLED is superior)

If you like strobing (the art of flickering a backlight to reduce display motion blur), XG2431 is hard to beat for its high configurability.

If you like maximum motion blur reduction without strobing, a 240Hz OLED will easily beat a 360Hz LCD (strobing=off). I'd daresay it will even beat a 500Hz IPS LCD. If you like ergonomic strobeless PWM-free motion blur reduction, I haven't seen anything better than an OLED. It's also very hard to get 400-nit strobing with most LCDs too, so retaining all of OLED's brightness capability...

OLEDs follows Blur Busters Law virtually perfectly, thanks to their near-zero GtG, and the only blur seen is MPRT blur, rather than GtG and MPRT blur combined.

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Long term, low-persistence via sample and hold is the Holy Grail. But it definitely does require very high frame rates. Halving strobed motion blur is simply halving a pulse width, but halving unstrobed motion blur requires double frame rate at double Hz.
For competitive high fps gaming, do you expect the 1440p 240Hz OLED to edge out even the better 360Hz LCDs like the PG27AQN? Last time I checked the PG27AQN is out of stock anyway for the moment so I'm anxiously waiting for 240Hz OLED reviews to come and will grab either one of the two. I've been using OLEDs for TV since the C8 and now C1 so excited to see monitor OLED options coming. I know it's not a monitor, but I've watched probably thousands of hours worth of gaming on each panel and haven't seen any burn in. The C1 has ~3,000 hours and the C8 is over ~5500.

Like others I was concerned about the 200 cd/m² brightness but I checked tftcentral's measurements on my current monitor that has been plenty bright for years now and the setting I have it at outputs 223.86 cd/m² (ASUS MG279Q at 60 setting), so not too much of a difference.

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Re: LG 27" 1440p 240hz OLED Ultragear 27GR95QE

Post by Chief Blur Buster » 14 Dec 2022, 22:37

akrios wrote:
14 Dec 2022, 18:29
For competitive high fps gaming, do you expect the 1440p 240Hz OLED to edge out even the better 360Hz LCDs like the PG27AQN? Last time I checked the PG27AQN is out of stock anyway for the moment so I'm anxiously waiting for 240Hz OLED reviews to come and will grab either one of the two.
Depends on the metric.

For non-strobed motion clarity, 240fps 240Hz OLED looks clearer than 360fps 360Hz IPS. At least from the public prototypes I saw at conventions. The best strobeless blur reduction will definitely begin with the multiple salvos of 240Hz+ OLED at the gaming monitor market.

For latency, it's unknown but historically at same Hz, OLED has more lag, and the higher Hz reduces lag even further, so the jury is still out, at least until OLED lag is optimized long-term. I would not be surprised if the 360Hz LCD is lower by a low single-digit milliseconds difference versus the probable most optimized OLED gaming settings (SDR + Fixed Brightness) but I am 100% purely speculating.

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Re: LG 27" 1440p 240hz OLED Ultragear 27GR95QE

Post by Craftyman » 15 Dec 2022, 07:38

akrios wrote:
14 Dec 2022, 18:29
Chief Blur Buster wrote:
14 Dec 2022, 01:13
vityafx wrote:
13 Dec 2022, 03:41
*snip*
For competitive high fps gaming, do you expect the 1440p 240Hz OLED to edge out even the better 360Hz LCDs like the PG27AQN? Last time I checked the PG27AQN is out of stock anyway for the moment so I'm anxiously waiting for 240Hz OLED reviews to come and will grab either one of the two. I've been using OLEDs for TV since the C8 and now C1 so excited to see monitor OLED options coming. I know it's not a monitor, but I've watched probably thousands of hours worth of gaming on each panel and haven't seen any burn in. The C1 has ~3,000 hours and the C8 is over ~5500.

Like others I was concerned about the 200 cd/m² brightness but I checked tftcentral's measurements on my current monitor that has been plenty bright for years now and the setting I have it at outputs 223.86 cd/m² (ASUS MG279Q at 60 setting), so not too much of a difference.
I'm in the same boat as you. I am very sensitive to noticing motion blur and I WAS looking really hard at the Zowie XL2566K to upgrade to from my Viewsonic X270 240hz, but I think I'm going to bite the bullet and go for one of these new OLEDs barring something achilles heel discovered in the forthcoming reviews.

I play a lot of Planetside 2 infantry gameplay and aim train about an hour per day but I think (and hope) the more moderate increase in motion performance is balanced out by extremely sharp contrast and a healthy resolution bump. Which is exactly what I need in a game with very 'busy' visuals like PS2.

In that same vein it might depend on the game you're playing to work out which upgrade is best. If you're playing a game where it's hard to spot enemies because the game itself is cluttered, has longer ranges and inherently low contrast like say Battlefield or Planetside or CoD then a sharper image might be more useful. OTOH more contrasty games like Valorant or Overwatch would be better suited to a higher refresh rate and lower input lag but also lower contrast display.

Side note, and take with a grain of salt, but nVidia recently did a study on target acquisition between 1080p and 1440p and found that on average people on a 1440p display can react 3% faster due to the sharper image. It doesn't sound like much but every little bit can make that difference, especially the higher level you are. Hope that was interesting

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Re: LG 27" 1440p 240hz OLED Ultragear 27GR95QE

Post by akrios » 21 Dec 2022, 04:03

Chief Blur Buster wrote:
14 Dec 2022, 22:37
For latency, it's unknown but historically at same Hz, OLED has more lag, and the higher Hz reduces lag even further, so the jury is still out, at least until OLED lag is optimized long-term. I would not be surprised if the 360Hz LCD is lower by a low single-digit milliseconds difference versus the probable most optimized OLED gaming settings (SDR + Fixed Brightness) but I am 100% purely speculating.

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The AW3423DWF review came out from Monitors Unboxed (https://youtube.com/watch?v=b0aLF3KVOTQ ... ares&t=583) and it looks like the input latency they measured in their testing improved vs the G-Sync model and even beat the PG27AQN. Would the measurement they're taking include this lag you're talking about? Hopefully LG or ASUS can keep it low.

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Re: LG 27" 1440p 240hz OLED Ultragear 27GR95QE

Post by Chief Blur Buster » 29 Dec 2022, 23:41

It's possible -- but don't take my word for it. I have not been involved with the past Alienware OLED.

I've definitely been fully focussed on OLED projects lately -- but on 240Hz OLEDs.
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Re: LG 27" 1440p 240hz OLED Ultragear 27GR95QE

Post by Kotoko » 30 Dec 2022, 16:30

Well that sucks I just got an email stating my estimated shipping is now 1/16

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Re: LG 27" 1440p 240hz OLED Ultragear 27GR95QE

Post by evmadic » 31 Dec 2022, 09:44

Kotoko wrote:
30 Dec 2022, 16:30
Well that sucks I just got an email stating my estimated shipping is now 1/16
Anyone else pre-order this?
Haven't seen any YouTube reviews yet.
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Re: LG 27" 1440p 240hz OLED Ultragear 27GR95QE

Post by evmadic » 01 Jan 2023, 04:57

Nevermind, first review is up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMfwx8UPb7c
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Re: LG 27" 1440p 240hz OLED Ultragear 27GR95QE

Post by daviddave1 » 06 Jan 2023, 18:13

I have the Zowie XL2566k now. I like it. Its bright with low blur and low inputlag at 320 nits.
This monitor has 200 nits: if its not bright like the Zowie, but has better blur reduction and lower inputlag, I am still not going to get it.

Brightness is just as important as blur reduction and low inputlag. I hope somehow OLED needs lesser nits to be bright.
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Re: LG 27" 1440p 240hz OLED Ultragear 27GR95QE

Post by effjaysea » 08 Jan 2023, 09:49

Chief Blur Buster wrote:
29 Dec 2022, 23:41
It's possible -- but don't take my word for it. I have not been involved with the past Alienware OLED.

I've definitely been fully focussed on OLED projects lately -- but on 240Hz OLEDs.
What would a blurbusters approved oled look like I wonder

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