ASUS PG259QN ANNOUNCED! - 360Hz IPS 1ms GtG HDR Monitor with Hardware G-Sync and ULMB Strobing

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Re: ASUS PG259QN ANNOUNCED! - 360Hz IPS 1ms GtG HDR Monitor with Hardware G-Sync and ULMB Strobing

Post by Alpha » 02 Sep 2020, 21:33

ren wrote:
01 Sep 2020, 12:32
Alpha wrote:
01 Sep 2020, 09:31
Everyone's perception is different. Before I had read any reviews stating otherwise I could feel the difference in ULMB in the 259QM. I had mentioned it here multiple times. No idea what that is caused by scientifically but it is there but ever so slightly. Finally seeing Rtings review, it is infact a hair slow maybe a 1 ms or two, I'd have to go back for certainty and check their review. I shouldn't notice that. I also mentioned that I did not think it was enough to make any difference in gameplay though. The FW on my 259QM is 105 and no idea what Rtings was for their review. My eyes don't agree with the OD60 vs OD120.
What do you mean when you say that you could feel the difference in ULMB on the Asus VG259QM? Do you prefer the Asus over the HP for Competitive Gaming?
Initially I thought you meant that you could feel that it is indeed faster but then you mentioned that it's a "hair slower"?


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01 Sep 2020, 09:31
I'd have to look at my Omen X 25f for FW. The 25f is extremely, extremely good imo. These are literally so close in performance and imo calibrated hard to tell a difference. The 259 has the black EQ. The Omen has a far superior Omen Software control panel though some options are missing that aren't for my x 27 which is really weird. Its such a unique time to purchase monitors. TN has really come a long ways. IPS is making grounds. I do literally get paid to play games and between the two I just can't tell enough of a difference. If you haven't seen Bijan Jamshidi YouTube channel check it out specifically in regards to the MAG251RX (the software a lone makes owning this extremely tantalizing). I think some have echo'd here that the differences are becoming so minuscule that you won't tell the difference. They are probably right. The issue is I could tell the difference on the ULMB and I can tell the difference between my G Pro Wireless, my Razor Ultimate (have the mini as well), and my hard wired mice. Thats been debunked so placebo? Won't argue but a person will always know what they know.
Yes I agree, both TN and IPS panels have really come a long way. TN panels are improving their colors and IPS is making it's way to reach the speed of the fastest TN panels.
And yes I saw Bijan Jamshidi's reviews and I think they're good. In the latest video of the MSI MAG251RX he compared this monitor to its competitor, the VG259QM and he said that he prefers the MSI one because of the better Software, Black Equalizer and a slightly better ELMB performance.
Though, the thing is I don't even know if these Motion Blur reduction technologies are worth it. I never had the chance to try them but I see comments saying that it causes eye strain and it doesn't benefit all players because it depends on your "aiming technique". Also the only monitor that does it well is Benq with their DyAc technology, all the other competitors lower the peak brightness by a lot when using motion blur reduction.

Alpha wrote:
01 Sep 2020, 09:31
Find a place with a good return policy. Buy one and try it and go with what your eyes say. I love humanbenchmark because I feel this tells me what I need to know as well as aimlabs. UFO test are there as well as my favorites. Likely panel variances maybe I'm not sure but what I see isn't always what I am seeing online that I "should be seeing".
Yeah if I can't decide I think I'll have to go this way.
Btw thanks, I really appreciate your help.
Sorry to clarify, I could feel the difference between ULMB and OD on the Asus. ULMB feeling ever so slightly slower in response. It does add clarity to my eyes judging by the 3 eyes on the alien.

It's tough for sure. There is a lot of good choices. I used the X 27 since it came out though it would get rotated with a 25 which I prefer the size. The Omen X 25 has a better picture to me period than the X 27. X 27 has a lack of depth to my eyes best I can explain it. I am still at a loss as to why the Omen X 25 seemed to have less reviews. Maybe cost or 2546 made more senses for price?

For X 25 and VG259QM super tough. We're in Sept, hard not to wait for the 360hz.

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Re: ASUS PG259QN ANNOUNCED! - 360Hz IPS 1ms GtG HDR Monitor with Hardware G-Sync and ULMB Strobing

Post by Discorz » 03 Sep 2020, 10:27

We have some overview of yet unreleased Alienware's 360 Hz monitor OSD. Also see how will nvidia measure pc latencies. Amazing stuff.
https://youtu.be/-cXg7GQogAE?t=208
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Re: ASUS PG259QN ANNOUNCED! - 360Hz IPS 1ms GtG HDR Monitor with Hardware G-Sync and ULMB Strobing

Post by A Solid lad » 03 Sep 2020, 13:51

Some of them understand it's a trade-off, some literally do not care and just use whatever they're being told to use (or sponsored gear) and some genuinely think their mice is "better" (but placebo is a very strong effect, so it's not worlds end.)
Completely agreed.
Since ultimately the people who use those arguments even if with good intentions, lead us further away from less inputlag and better conditions as they can sway consumer markets and remove the need for innovation by the bigger companies.
Same with this.
It's very frustrating for me as well, when I see it, so I understand why you were upset... but we're on the same side here.
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Re: ASUS PG259QN ANNOUNCED! - 360Hz IPS 1ms GtG HDR Monitor with Hardware G-Sync and ULMB Strobing

Post by speancer » 04 Sep 2020, 14:40

purplew wrote:
01 Sep 2020, 02:59
speancer wrote:
31 Aug 2020, 14:56
Anyway, from what they present in this "review", amount of blur is unacceptable. What we want is extremely clear motion with no trails, isn't it? If this monitor turns out to have worse motion handling than 240 Hz equivalents, then I'd say it's pointless. Also, I wouldn't call this video a review, as it has no response times and input lag measurements, so I'm looking forward to seeing some real tests.

By the way, gotta tell you that after playing CS:GO on Zowie XL2546 for several days and then switching back to MAG251RX, I'd swear I definitely could tell a difference in motion clarity, the MSI one looked way more blurry comparing to XL2546 (both on the fastest overdrive setting, no strobing used in comparison). I never thought I'd say that, but I'm starting to like TN, but I still have to do a comparison to VG259QM. I'm also curious what Zowie is going to show up in September.
inversion artifacts definitely affect motion clarity (on "fastest" on the mag251rx), it could be that
I didn't notice any inversion artifacts on my MAG251RX, actually. In terms of inversion artifacts this monitor, at least the unit I got, was very good, better than XL2546.
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Re: ASUS PG259QN ANNOUNCED! - 360Hz IPS 1ms GtG HDR Monitor with Hardware G-Sync and ULMB Strobing

Post by speancer » 10 Sep 2020, 10:41

Here's ASUS PG259QN review from Hardware Unboxed with detailed measurements!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsB9G4e ... areUnboxed
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Tested displays: ASUS VG259QM/VG279QM [favourite LCD FPS display] (280 Hz IPS) • Zowie XL2546K/XL2540K/XL2546 (240 Hz TN DyAc) • Dell S3222DGM [favourite LCD display for the best blacks, contrast and panel uniformity] (165 Hz VA) • Dell Alienware AW2521HFLA (240 Hz IPS) • HP Omen X 25f (240 Hz TN) • MSI MAG251RX (240 Hz IPS) • Gigabyte M27Q (170 Hz IPS) • Acer Predator XB273X (240 Hz IPS G-SYNC) • Acer Predator XB271HU (165 Hz IPS G-SYNC) • Acer Nitro XV272UKV (170 Hz IPS) • Acer Nitro XV252QF (390 Hz IPS) • LG 27GN800 (144 Hz IPS) • LG 27GL850 (144 Hz nanoIPS) • LG 27GP850 (180 Hz nanoIPS) • Samsung Odyssey G7 (240 Hz VA)

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Re: ASUS PG259QN ANNOUNCED! - 360Hz IPS 1ms GtG HDR Monitor with Hardware G-Sync and ULMB Strobing

Post by hart » 10 Sep 2020, 19:51

why on earth they still refuse to make this monitors but in 1440p res


give me a f ips 27" 1440p 240 ulmb already

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Re: ASUS PG259QN ANNOUNCED! - 360Hz IPS 1ms GtG HDR Monitor with Hardware G-Sync and ULMB Strobing

Post by AddictFPS » 11 Sep 2020, 02:33

Good review, thanks.

Hardware Unboxed not say what curve lenght "Start/End" limits use, and each reviewer can use the limits than they assume are the correct. To avoid these personal interpretations, "Raw" measurement would be great. For example, Rtings allways show GtG 100% transition times table, and oscilloscope curves. I think this should be mandatory in all serious reviews.

Very dissapointed with ULMB frequency only available at 240 and 144Hz. We can see than at each step down in frequency, there are less crosstalk. First ULMB monitors support 85 100 120Hz, but now all disabled. Seems non sense, because now with very fast scanout and response time, there are possibilities to enjoy it completely free of crosstalk, like CRT smoothness motion, if strobing is fine tuned.

I wonder how 144 to 60Hz ULMB range would it be. Sadly ASUS+Nvidia seems than not care about motion smoothness, seems not interested to get 100% crosstalk free ULMB. They prevent players test crosstalk/flicker ratio experiences. I prefer wait for 360Hz BlurBusters Approved, current Viewsonic XG270 allow 75-240Hz strobing range, i'm sure soon we can see unlocked 60-360 range.

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Re: ASUS PG259QN ANNOUNCED! - 360Hz IPS 1ms GtG HDR Monitor with Hardware G-Sync and ULMB Strobing

Post by Aquas » 11 Sep 2020, 21:31

Does anyone have any info on when this month we'll be able to buy this?

As a CS / valorant player this is something I've been excited about, and after hardware unboxed's video going over some of the nitty grittys i'm pretty sold on it.

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Re: ASUS PG259QN ANNOUNCED! - 360Hz IPS 1ms GtG HDR Monitor with Hardware G-Sync and ULMB Strobing

Post by diakou » 11 Sep 2020, 23:39

Aquas wrote:
11 Sep 2020, 21:31
Does anyone have any info on when this month we'll be able to buy this?

As a CS / valorant player this is something I've been excited about, and after hardware unboxed's video going over some of the nitty grittys i'm pretty sold on it.
Considering it's a premium monitor, I'd honestly wait for the other 3, 360hz models that are going to be released in a month or two. This version does not even come with nvidia reflex (not that this is a huge deal, but if you're paying $700 may as well get premium features as well)

The PG259QNR coming in end of 2020 will have the reflex version, this does not. I'd highly, highly recommend you to just wait a little bit more on the other models that are releasing very soon, then make your decision.

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Re: ASUS PG259QN ANNOUNCED! - 360Hz IPS 1ms GtG HDR Monitor with Hardware G-Sync and ULMB Strobing

Post by Aquas » 12 Sep 2020, 17:35

diakou wrote:
11 Sep 2020, 23:39
Aquas wrote:
11 Sep 2020, 21:31
Does anyone have any info on when this month we'll be able to buy this?

As a CS / valorant player this is something I've been excited about, and after hardware unboxed's video going over some of the nitty grittys i'm pretty sold on it.
Considering it's a premium monitor, I'd honestly wait for the other 3, 360hz models that are going to be released in a month or two. This version does not even come with nvidia reflex (not that this is a huge deal, but if you're paying $700 may as well get premium features as well)

The PG259QNR coming in end of 2020 will have the reflex version, this does not. I'd highly, highly recommend you to just wait a little bit more on the other models that are releasing very soon, then make your decision.

Dang, big bummer that the reflex feature isn't a september launch. Been waiting to upgrade from 60 hz forever, I had a feeling back in march that hardware launches this year were gonna be nuts and it's been looking like I was right LOL.

That will definitely factor into my decision though, thank you for that info. :D

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