ASUS PG259QN ANNOUNCED! - 360Hz IPS 1ms GtG HDR Monitor with Hardware G-Sync and ULMB Strobing

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Re: ASUS PG259QN ANNOUNCED! - 360Hz IPS 1ms GtG HDR Monitor with Hardware G-Sync and ULMB Strobing

Post by masneb » 27 Aug 2020, 05:59

Came to comment specifically on this. I was waiting for the 360hz TN monitor they announced earlier this year, but it looks like they scrapped that. While AUO panels aren't straight up .5ms, it would appear as though a lot of that depends on the firmware and brand of monitor. It wouldn't surprise if a good working manufacturer dropped it down towards the theoretical rates. I was very surprised they didn't go with a TN panel for this, that makes me think that perhaps they didn't go with a TN panel because they're having problems with achieving 360hz and instead they're using a slower panel to cover it up.

Careful when you say 'IPS panels are just as good' and then when confronted with it not being as good, stumbling back to 'it's good enough'. That's literally the logic people have used for 60hz panels since time began. Regardless of IPS panels speeding up, they still aren't as fast as good TN panels.

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Re: ASUS PG259QN ANNOUNCED! - 360Hz IPS 1ms GtG HDR Monitor with Hardware G-Sync and ULMB Strobing

Post by Alpha » 27 Aug 2020, 08:08

I own an Omen X 25F and an Asus VG259QM amongst many others (Omen X 27 is another stellar one I have) and can say with 100% certainty that I can not see, identify, or tell the difference on UFO test between the IPS and UFO between the two. Its so freaking close. I can literally see frames at movie theater and in my own dedicated theater room where I run a $25,000 projector (135inch screen) that is know for motion (low FPS is low FPS though). Even on my OLEDs (older 77 C series) I am still blow away on how good that is @ 120hz I would love to see one at 240 or 360 I believe because the pixel transitions are nearly instant but I don't know the technical stuff behind what I see and could be totally wrong. With those ISF calibrated like my super old Kuro for almost a decade I still had that wow factor whenever watching it and I mean after years and years it's that good picture quality wise and how outstanding motion that is hard to describe, point being maybe with the OLED the dang image is just distracting lol.

I am buying this day one and not sure how it will turn out but to echo others, to my eyes, IPS is there with the best TN period (to my eyes isn't a technical or scientific measurement, I do game professionally though and extremely sensitive to motion and I think that helps a ton when gaming). Rather the 360hz moves ahead or not will be interesting. I can 100% feel the difference on the 259QM ULMB on vs off though so I'm specifically interested in seeing how Nvidia deals with this. To my eyes, ULMB looks amazing. It's not enough for me to say with certainty its better than the OD on the 259 but due to the fact I can physically feel the difference on vs off I just leave it off. If this has the 240hz limit that is a bummer imo. I can already see some of the marketing material is off just based on what they showed with the VG259QM so we'll see. With Benq dropping the 240 so fast I believe what Asus is going to bring as well as others is going to be pretty awesome all things considered these IPS panels pretty much forced Benq to step up is my opinion. I don't see how they have a choice.

Keeping on eye on this thread. The second these are available for preorder someone drop it in. I'll be checking with frequency. It's funny I don't know anything about Fortnite but last week kept seeing vids popping up 360hz and thought it was click bait or whatever but it's actually part of their marketing campaign. Wish they'd picked an older person that could drop some technical details maybe some UFO shots things like that :lol: .

No dog in the TN vs IPS fight. I've said it before in front of the X 25F I can not tell this is a TN panel per say. This display is amazing. Omen X 27 100% you can tell and nothing can be done about that. To me, it just lacks the depth which is the best way I can explain what I see. Maybe its just the size so the attributes of the technology stand out more I don't know. I hope Asus brings enough of these new panels it won't be a PIA to get. Same with the 3090. Hoping to have these all day one unless Nvidia shits the bed. My 2080 Ti will see 360 FPS in one game I love so not worried there. It's water cooled @ +175 core and +1100 mem with room to push. 3090 needs to really show at my preferred resolution its practical for my usage case and not just added RTX and juiced up turing tech. (who am I kidding, a blind buy regardless). Also curious if there is going to be enough difference between the 280hz to 360hz to justify the cost for many. I am doubting that honestly. >3% difference? It is interesting seeing NVIDIA's example of less than 1% in the Olympics between gold and silver. Anyone playing competitively has been there, you just needed that literal microsecond more. You'd swear you'd clicked and gun didn't fire before you were fragged. Its starting to get exciting. Sept is going to be a lot of peoples Christmas and quite honestly one of the nice things to look forward too in general in this weird ass year.

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Post by ericl » 27 Aug 2020, 11:00

Same, I'm looking forward to a 3090 powering a 360hz monitor and wish there was a pre-order that could guarantee I get one of the first ones. Sadly, these things have historically been hard to get at launch day and we usually get screwed over in Canada! (not always, but sometimes ;)

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Re: ASUS PG259QN ANNOUNCED! - 360Hz IPS 1ms GtG HDR Monitor with Hardware G-Sync and ULMB Strobing

Post by 1000WATT » 27 Aug 2020, 13:06

A Solid lad wrote:
27 Aug 2020, 05:00
You can actually fine tune OD with 100+ levels in the factory menu, on these Benq monitors, but whatever you set, sadly gets reset as soon as you switch profiles. (Which I do a lot)
Unfortunately, on asus g-sync, I did not even see a photo of the service menu. :(
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Re: ASUS PG259QN ANNOUNCED! - 360Hz IPS 1ms GtG HDR Monitor with Hardware G-Sync and ULMB Strobing

Post by 1000WATT » 27 Aug 2020, 13:11

It will be interesting to compare the incoming lag between my monitors side-by-side. $ 700 for you = $ 1100 for my country - just a catastrophe. :evil:
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Re: ASUS PG259QN ANNOUNCED! - 360Hz IPS 1ms GtG HDR Monitor with Hardware G-Sync and ULMB Strobing

Post by Alpha » 29 Aug 2020, 07:42

1000WATT wrote:
27 Aug 2020, 13:11
It will be interesting to compare the incoming lag between my monitors side-by-side. $ 700 for you = $ 1100 for my country - just a catastrophe. :evil:
Agree. I am not sure how what to think at this point. My best guess is minimal but it'll likely come down to game and engine imo.

Whatever idiot at Asus who decided to waste this marketing opportunity on Fortnite.... just plain ridiculous. Surely all these kids are buying $700 monitors or $1100 in your country and the $1000+ GPU's to run them lol.

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Re: ASUS PG259QN ANNOUNCED! - 360Hz IPS 1ms GtG HDR Monitor with Hardware G-Sync and ULMB Strobing

Post by A Solid lad » 31 Aug 2020, 12:34

Linus Tech Tips' review is out, check the updated main post!
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Re: ASUS PG259QN ANNOUNCED! - 360Hz IPS 1ms GtG HDR Monitor with Hardware G-Sync and ULMB Strobing

Post by frunction » 31 Aug 2020, 12:39

A Solid lad wrote:
31 Aug 2020, 12:34
Linus Tech Tips' review is out, check the updated main post!
So a G7 at 240hz looks better than than the PG259QN at 360hz??? I think LTT messed up the UFO tests because a G7 is worse than my 240hz TN/IPS...

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Re: ASUS PG259QN ANNOUNCED! - 360Hz IPS 1ms GtG HDR Monitor with Hardware G-Sync and ULMB Strobing

Post by Chief Blur Buster » 31 Aug 2020, 13:10

effjaysea wrote:
31 Aug 2020, 12:52
As a person that has been waiting for 360hz monitors... Fuck. That performance in Linus video is pretty embarrassing if it's correct. Why would anyone bother upgrading their PC for the sake of pushing 360 fps consistently if it's ultimately going to perform the same as a 300 dollar 240hz panel? :(
I have observed some flaws in the LinusTechTips tests. Whiler 240Hz vs 360Hz is subtle, the difference betwen 240Hz and 360Hz are diminished by testing inaccuracies.

I would design the tests differently.

Also, running simultaneous multimonitor mirroring has some frameskipping issues -- 240Hz and 360Hz simultaneous has some microstutter from multimonitor mirroring.

Also, those pursuit cameras are a bit inaccurate, too.

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Re: ASUS PG259QN ANNOUNCED! - 360Hz IPS 1ms GtG HDR Monitor with Hardware G-Sync and ULMB Strobing

Post by speancer » 31 Aug 2020, 14:56

Anyway, from what they present in this "review", amount of blur is unacceptable. What we want is extremely clear motion with no trails, isn't it? If this monitor turns out to have worse motion handling than 240 Hz equivalents, then I'd say it's pointless. Also, I wouldn't call this video a review, as it has no response times and input lag measurements, so I'm looking forward to seeing some real tests.

By the way, gotta tell you that after playing CS:GO on Zowie XL2546 for several days and then switching back to MAG251RX, I'd swear I definitely could tell a difference in motion clarity, the MSI one looked way more blurry comparing to XL2546 (both on the fastest overdrive setting, no strobing used in comparison). I never thought I'd say that, but I'm starting to like TN, but I still have to do a comparison to VG259QM. I'm also curious what Zowie is going to show up in September.
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