The Official *Asus VG259QM* Owners Thread (+ Secret Overdrive)

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Re: The Official *Asus VG259QM* Owners Thread (+ Secret Overdrive)

Post by alexander1986 » 14 Sep 2020, 18:08

axaro1 wrote:
13 Sep 2020, 08:41
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any chance you could take testufo pics of the asus with ELMB on (not elmb-sync just ELMB) at 280 / 240 hz ?

also question, in your opinion, is the strobe quality/crosstalk good on the asus in games with 240-280 fps ?


ive also seen before on other monitors that adjusting contrast and colors, can make ghosting and overshoot artifacts or even strobe crosstalk appear less noticeable on testufo site!

would be much appreciated !

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Re: The Official *Asus VG259QM* Owners Thread (+ Secret Overdrive)

Post by axaro1 » 15 Sep 2020, 01:43

alexander1986 wrote:
14 Sep 2020, 18:08
axaro1 wrote:
13 Sep 2020, 08:41
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any chance you could take testufo pics of the asus with ELMB on (not elmb-sync just ELMB) at 280 / 240 hz ?

also question, in your opinion, is the strobe quality/crosstalk good on the asus in games with 240-280 fps ?


ive also seen before on other monitors that adjusting contrast and colors, can make ghosting and overshoot artifacts or even strobe crosstalk appear less noticeable on testufo site!

would be much appreciated !
I took this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYYKNgmZv7Y 2 months ago, it is ELMB at 280hz with Adaptive Sync OFF.
Strobing at 240hz is a little bit better with slightly less crosstalk.

you need 240+ fps to strobe at 240hz and 280+fps to strobe at 280hz, if your fps are lower than strobe rate (= refresh rate) you get double images.
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Re: The Official *Asus VG259QM* Owners Thread (+ Secret Overdrive)

Post by PixelDuck87 » 15 Sep 2020, 19:00

Hey people, when you use vg259qm with 80 overdrive does it look something like this or much worse?

(pic of my zowie on AMA premium)
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Because I can totally live with this kind of artifacts it doesn't bother me one bit and I don't notice it in games... However if it's much worse or somehow different(more annoying) then I wont take the risk...

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Re: The Official *Asus VG259QM* Owners Thread (+ Secret Overdrive)

Post by Stevie66 » 15 Sep 2020, 20:05

PixelDuck87 wrote:
15 Sep 2020, 19:00
Hey people, when you use vg259qm with 80 overdrive does it look something like this or much worse?

(pic of my zowie on AMA premium)
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Because I can totally live with this kind of artifacts it doesn't bother me one bit and I don't notice it in games... However if it's much worse or somehow different(more annoying) then I wont take the risk...
Judging from others pics and video reviews, OD80 looks slightly better than that and OD120 looks a lot better with slightly more motion blur.

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Re: The Official *Asus VG259QM* Owners Thread (+ Secret Overdrive)

Post by DukeDice929 » 15 Sep 2020, 20:08

PixelDuck87 wrote:
15 Sep 2020, 19:00
Hey people, when you use vg259qm with 80 overdrive does it look something like this or much worse?
I guess you have XL2540 or XL2546? Overshoot artifacts are less visible on VG259QM than on first gen 240Hz TN panels. I can say that as former xl2546 user. Look at axaro1's photos from this post -> viewtopic.php?p=57091#p57091
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Re: The Official *Asus VG259QM* Owners Thread (+ Secret Overdrive)

Post by RLCScontender » 15 Sep 2020, 20:20

PixelDuck87 wrote:
15 Sep 2020, 19:00
Hey people, when you use vg259qm with 80 overdrive does it look something like this or much worse?

(pic of my zowie on AMA premium)
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Because I can totally live with this kind of artifacts it doesn't bother me one bit and I don't notice it in games... However if it's much worse or somehow different(more annoying) then I wont take the risk...
i really hope you are joking. This is at 960 pixel speed which is very slow, i can't imagine how bad this will get at a fast paced ranked match which is way above 960 pixel speed.

you are probably accustomed to the overshoot for you to think that all the "blur" or "unwanted artifacts" that you are seeing is
"part of the game".

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Re: The Official *Asus VG259QM* Owners Thread (+ Secret Overdrive)

Post by PixelDuck87 » 15 Sep 2020, 20:52

DukeDice929 wrote:
15 Sep 2020, 20:08
PixelDuck87 wrote:
15 Sep 2020, 19:00
Hey people, when you use vg259qm with 80 overdrive does it look something like this or much worse?
I guess you have XL2540 or XL2546? Overshoot artifacts are less visible on VG259QM than on first gen 240Hz TN panels. I can say that as former xl2546 user. Look at axaro1's photos from this post -> viewtopic.php?p=57091#p57091
Nah man it's not even that, it's an old xl2411z. I've looked at axaro1's 80 OD pic and I don't see it looking that bad or as some would say "unusable" at all.



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Rtings got one scary looking overshoot chart in their review.


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And this is what's supposse to be so "scary"? just abit of white halo/trail around the objects for an awesome 1.9ms average g2g trade off? Honestly i take that over motion blur any day.
Or is there more than just white halo/trail to worry about at 80OD? What exactly is 72.2% overshoot error on 0:20 shade btw I don't think ufo tests show that too well do they?


I'm trying to justify buying this monitor for myself guys... Sadly i can't just try monitors in my country if i buy it and it works without major defects i have to keep it, no 14 days returning business here (only if i don't open the box at all lol).

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Re: The Official *Asus VG259QM* Owners Thread (+ Secret Overdrive)

Post by DukeDice929 » 15 Sep 2020, 21:13

PixelDuck87 wrote:
15 Sep 2020, 20:52
I've looked at axaro1's 80 OD pic and I don't see it looking that bad or as some would say "unusable" at all.
That's what I'm talking about. Even such strong overdrive as OD80 is better looking than your monitor. So definitely an upgrade. :)
PixelDuck87 wrote:
15 Sep 2020, 20:52
I'm trying to justify buying this monitor for myself guys... Sadly i can't just try monitors in my country if i buy it and it works without major defects i have to keep it, no 14 days returning business here (only if i don't open the box at all lol).
Try Amazon or other online shops.
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Re: The Official *Asus VG259QM* Owners Thread (+ Secret Overdrive)

Post by alexander1986 » 17 Sep 2020, 07:56

any chance to see some in-game videos or picture of ELMB ON at 240-280 fps/hz ? on this or 279qm monitor , if not pictures then someone who has these monitors could maybe try explain how good/bad the strobing crosstalk is in games? is it noticeable at all? etc, thanks !

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Re: The Official *Asus VG259QM* Owners Thread (+ Secret Overdrive)

Post by axaro1 » 17 Sep 2020, 12:36

Stevie66 wrote:
15 Sep 2020, 20:05
Judging from others pics and video reviews, OD80 looks slightly better than that and OD120 looks a lot better with slightly more motion blur.
This morning I was taking 480fps 720p videos to compare OD80 with OD120.

I forgot to switch back and I just realized that I played the entire day with OD80 without even realizing that I was not using OD120.

OD80 is usable, but I'd say only at 280hz since 240hz creates way too much overshoot, OD120 is basically overshoot free at 280hz that's why I consider it to be the best OD at 280hz even tho motion clarity is slightly worse than OD80.

At this point it really comes down to personal preference, I'd never use the Zowie with AMA Premium if that's the amount of overshoot you get, even the VG259QM with OD80 at 1920 Pixels Per Second has an overshoot trail 3x smaller than the pictures provided by PixelDuck at 960 Pixels Per Second (half the speed of the UFO).

Can -0.7ms of Rise/Fall G2G justify using OD80? OD80 does indeed provide better motion clarity but the amount of transitions suffering from overshoot is undoubtedly higher than with OD120.

I'd say that if you are very sensible to overshoot OD120 will not be an issue for 99% of the users, it's all around the best overdrive for this monitor at both 240hz and 280hz.
OD80's overshoot can be a dealbreaker especially if you play games with dark maps, if you've ever played Overwatch on Lijiang Tower you'll notice a bright trail following moving objects, today I played Apex which has very bright textures and I didn't notice any overshoot.

The total response time of OD80 is 6.4ms compared to 6.1ms from OD120, this is probably due to the time it takes for each pixel to "recover" from overshoot, but the rise fall is 1.9ms(with 1.9ms dark avg) compared to 2.6ms (with 2.4ms dark average), this means that you'll have 1.67ms to see a 90% perfect transition compared to 0.97 with OD120.


Motion clarity is not dictated just by the amount of transitions inside the window, it's important to see for how long you can see a 90% transition rise transition.

If a transition is as slow as 4.1ms in a 4.16(240hz) window then you'll perceive 0.06ms of an acceptable transition but your eye already spent 4.1ms watching a color shift from X to Y and the next transition will instantly start so image persistence after a 90% rise is a good indicator of motion clarity.

We are not machines that can decide to see the perfect ending of a transition at the perfect time, we perceive motion clarity, we perceive overshoot, we perceive ghosting.

Some users will say that OD60 or even OD40 are better at 280hz because they are very sensible to overshoot, some others will say that OD80 is better because it provides better motion clarity and they don't see any overshoot.

It really comes down to personal preference: response time tables, respone time charts and motion blur testings are just baseline indicators of motion clarity, the perception of motion clarity depending on the individual sensibility to overshoot and ghosting is way more important.
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