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Re: Acer 390Hz monitor - XV252QF

Post by ms.potatoe » 27 Sep 2021, 08:36

BTRY B 529th FA BN wrote:
27 Sep 2021, 07:44
@Notty_PT Would my old Omen X 25f be considered a matured top notch 240Hz panel?
I think Innolux performance will be more similar to a VG279QM. A bit better transitions 9X% maybe ( VG279QM 80% transitions in window, TFT Central ) and equal or a bit worse input lag maybe ( 1,7 ms with Rtings method ). For that reason there are people who prefer VG279QM or MAG251RX (percentage of transitions in window) vs 360Hz/390Hz. Some prefer the best GtG/Hz and some prefer aceptable percentage with more Hz.

My last 4 monitors have been X25 f, XL2546K, VG279QM, XV252QF. None has meant a huge improve from previous. But after a few months playing at 390HZ I can't go back to the VG279QM ( I have tried it because is a hobby ). What was a small change at the time is now a big change ( this seems a movie phrase :D but it's true ). IMO
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Re: Acer 390Hz monitor - XV252QF

Post by kyube » 27 Sep 2021, 11:17

Notty_PT wrote:
26 Sep 2021, 17:48
north-player wrote:
24 Sep 2021, 19:56
Notty_PT wrote:
23 Sep 2021, 14:41

Of course! If you are running a game with more than 240fps you will for sure notice it at 240hz, while at 390hz your monitor will display every frame. I mean, that is easily noticeable, but does it make you play better with all that blur fest? It does nothing for me on Quake, I track way worse as the images are not clear. And what about fast flicks? Total nightmare compared to a good and matured 240hz panel

With these models I feel like playing on an very low input lag responsive mouse, with no frame skipping at all

but...

coupled with "10 years ago" awful pixel response time levels.

Maybe the upcoming TN 0,5ms 360hz panels, releasing soon, will be faster. I guess.
I definitely appreciate striving for the best image clarity, but I think it's a little hyperbolic to say the Acer is making you "way worse" at games. Even pro players don't split hairs that much. The fact is both the Acer and the most matured TN panels have excellent pixel response times. That's not the say there isn't a difference in motion clarity between these monitors, it's just that the difference is simply not great enough to have any significant effect on in-game performance (beyond placebo/bias).

In my opinion: If you stare at the UFO test all day -- get the fastest 240 Hz TN. If you don't, the Acer is a better monitor by most metrics.
That's what you get from being a quake player.. every detail matters

No placebo dude, I am top 20 in Quake LG accuracy stats. I Track way worse with 360hz. The ghosting messes up your aim, no debate, no placebo.

You have several players complaining about the same thing, some even went back to their 240hz monitors so... I wouldnt call it placebo, you are not talking with a casual

Clarity/response time/tight image in movement

All more important than refresh rate.

My advice to Acer Nitro 390hz owners: NEVER ever try a matured top notch 240hz panel. You Will want to sell your Acer immediatly. If you are happy with it, dont bother.
Could you make a testufo picture and/or video (the testufo with cyan background) and possibly some input lag measurements on the 24g2zu? Since you claim the newer 23.8" 240hz panels are better, we have yet to verify with any reviews. Make a separate thread if possible :)

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Re: Acer 390Hz monitor - XV252QF

Post by BTRY B 529th FA BN » 27 Sep 2021, 16:47

Got a silly question but I don't believe TVR is working. I did enable it and it's set to Normal but is that it? With my PG259QNR there was an ULMB option in NVCP that had to be on and the monitor needed to be enabled. With this AOPEN I have the monitor enabled but is there anything else needed? e.g. something in NVCP that needs enabled? Free-Sync is turned off on the monitor...

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Re: Acer 390Hz monitor - XV252QF

Post by Discorz » 28 Sep 2021, 00:14

BTRY B 529th FA BN wrote:
27 Sep 2021, 16:47
Got a silly question but I don't believe TVR is working. I did enable it and it's set to Normal but is that it? With my PG259QNR there was an ULMB option in NVCP that had to be on and the monitor needed to be enabled. With this AOPEN I have the monitor enabled but is there anything else needed? e.g. something in NVCP that needs enabled? Free-Sync is turned off on the monitor...
Usually u just enable it in monitor osd. I like to check if its working on test ufo or open up phone camera to see if its flickering. U can also see it on desktop or anywhere else actually.
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Re: Acer 390Hz monitor - XV252QF

Post by lizardpeter » 28 Sep 2021, 03:08

What's the consensus on the best overdrive for this monitor? I would assume normal or extreme. I have also seen a lot of people say that extreme is surprisingly good on this monitor, considering Acer's extreme mode is typically poor. I am talking about without backlight strobing enabled at all.
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Re: Acer 390Hz monitor - XV252QF

Post by Discorz » 28 Sep 2021, 05:35

lizardpeter wrote:
28 Sep 2021, 03:08
I have also seen a lot of people say that extreme is surprisingly good on this monitor, considering Acer's extreme mode is typically poor.
Overdrive Extreme is not good on this monitor. Normal is what you should be using at high refresh rates. Extreme VRB/TVR (strobe duration) is considered 'good'.
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Re: Acer 390Hz monitor - XV252QF

Post by BTRY B 529th FA BN » 28 Sep 2021, 08:42

Discorz wrote:
28 Sep 2021, 00:14
BTRY B 529th FA BN wrote:
27 Sep 2021, 16:47
Got a silly question but I don't believe TVR is working. I did enable it and it's set to Normal but is that it? With my PG259QNR there was an ULMB option in NVCP that had to be on and the monitor needed to be enabled. With this AOPEN I have the monitor enabled but is there anything else needed? e.g. something in NVCP that needs enabled? Free-Sync is turned off on the monitor...
Usually u just enable it in monitor osd. I like to check if its working on test ufo or open up phone camera to see if its flickering. U can also see it on desktop or anywhere else actually.
Ok, thanks for the reply. It did appear to get slightly dimmer but not nearly as much as on the 360hz Asus I got,

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Re: Acer 390Hz monitor - XV252QF

Post by CJRS » 28 Sep 2021, 16:50

I got the HP omen x 25f too. Xv252qf feels more responsive, looks smoother, and my overall stats in either comp PC gaming and ps5 are better. Like someone stated, if u played on a daily basis for over a month on the Acer, going back to 240hz feels like an absolute downgrade. To explain it a bit, with the Acer
I get the same results when Im playing relaxed vs full try hard hyper focused mode on the x 25f. You see clearly faster around corners, input lag feels like non existent compared to my omen, and im just straight beaming kids and making shots that was before really hard to do. (And I only play competitive games with 390+ fps, vbr and freesync off and overdrive extreme plus viper 8khz to fully get the max out of this screen).Dno about the monitor Notty is talking about, but i would not rule out that there are faulty units being sold. Flickering problems etc. Also for me input lag is way more important than a bit of "blur". And both these things are really subjective and differs per person. Enough pros who tried strobing, or any vbr tech and still turned it off eventually.
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Re: Acer 390Hz monitor - XV252QF

Post by CJRS » 28 Sep 2021, 17:03

Discorz wrote:
28 Sep 2021, 05:35
lizardpeter wrote:
28 Sep 2021, 03:08
I have also seen a lot of people say that extreme is surprisingly good on this monitor, considering Acer's extreme mode is typically poor.
Overdrive Extreme is not good on this monitor. Normal is what you should be using at high refresh rates. Extreme VRB/TVR (strobe duration) is considered 'good'.
This is also subjective. I actually play on extreme, and hit way more and consistent with vbr or freesync off compared to putting it on normal with f.e. vbr extreme. The input lag diff is something I notice immediately in a negative way, especially with hit scan weapons/game modes

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Re: Acer 390Hz monitor - XV252QF

Post by Discorz » 28 Sep 2021, 17:25

Extreme levels of overdrive in general can feel a lot faster since response times are faster and its part of display lag chain. But it comes with artifact tradeoff. For those who don't mind it, ofcourse why not use it.
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