Aw2524h 500hz in stock on Dells website

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Re: Aw2524h 500hz in stock on Dells website

Post by Inco^ » 31 Mar 2023, 16:04

Grasshopper24 wrote:
31 Mar 2023, 13:22
Inco^ wrote:
31 Mar 2023, 12:16
First technical review: https://youtu.be/Y_AN6rW1WcY
What’s the overall summary/conclusion of the review?

I can’t listen to that guy for 25 minutes 😅.
He showed pixel response time charts comparing XL2566K, PG27AQN and AW2524H. Average response time for XL2566K and PG27AQN were 1.4 ms, and for AW2524H it was 1.8 ms.

He also compared input lag which was 1.2 ms or 1.4 ms (can't remember) instead of 1.6 ms for the competitors above.

He said that nowadays he plays on PG27AQN (despite having tested XL2566K) because according to him, as soon as you are 24+ years old you will mostly prefer 1440p IPS vs 1080p TN (or something in those lines).

At some point I think he said that the AW2524H was very very smooth and that it was a top-tier monitor for competitive gaming. And regarding whether 500Hz was noticeable, he said the answer to this question was yes to him.

At some other point he also said that AW2524H had more blur than XL2566K.

He ended his review by saying that it was a no-go for him and that the price was not worth it.
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Re: Aw2524h 500hz in stock on Dells website

Post by Grasshopper24 » 31 Mar 2023, 16:36

Inco^ wrote:
31 Mar 2023, 16:04
Grasshopper24 wrote:
31 Mar 2023, 13:22
Inco^ wrote:
31 Mar 2023, 12:16
First technical review: https://youtu.be/Y_AN6rW1WcY
What’s the overall summary/conclusion of the review?

I can’t listen to that guy for 25 minutes 😅.
He showed pixel response time charts comparing XL2566K, PG27AQN and AW2524H. Average response time for XL2566K and PG27AQN were 1.4 ms, and for AW2524H it was 1.8 ms.

He also compared input lag which was 1.2 ms or 1.4 ms (can't remember) instead of 1.6 ms for the competitors above.

He said that nowadays he plays on PG27AQN (despite having tested XL2566K) because according to him, as soon as you are 24+ years old you will mostly prefer 1440p IPS vs 1080p TN (or something in those lines).

At some point I think he said that the AW2524H was very very smooth and that it was a top-tier monitor for competitive gaming. And regarding whether 500Hz was noticeable, he said the answer to this question was yes to him.

At some other point he also said that AW2524H had more blur than XL2566K.

He ended his review by saying that it was a no-go for him and that the price was not worth it.
Thank you for the summary! Confirms my original suspicions. Good monitor but probably not better than xl2566k or PG27AQN.

This is the main way companies drive sales, pushing refresh rates regardless of if the response times can make use of the HZ. Average consumer will see ‘bigger number means better’ and buy it.

Well now we wait for the ASUS E-TN.

Also the 1440p vs 1080p is mainly preference and perhaps the older you get you value visuals more.

I have Pg279qm and xl2566k and still prefer 1080p for most shooters for higher average fps + 1% lows and overall lower lag. To each their own.

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Re: Aw2524h 500hz in stock on Dells website

Post by babooz99 » 03 Apr 2023, 07:34

Most likely not worth. First generation monitors are usually not the best. This was the case for the first generation 144hz, first gen 240hz and the first gen 360hz which had tons of ghosting. This 500hz monitor is no different, right now not worth it, eventually one day it will be the standard of gaming.

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Re: Aw2524h 500hz in stock on Dells website

Post by masneb » 09 Apr 2023, 16:43

Really can't wait for the Asus 540hz with the new AUO panel. IPS panels that can't respond fast enough to each refresh looks like someone took finger paints to the screen. Everything smears around.

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Re: Aw2524h 500hz in stock on Dells website

Post by Anonymous316387 » 09 Apr 2023, 23:02

Grasshopper24 wrote:
31 Mar 2023, 15:11
F1zus wrote:
31 Mar 2023, 14:58
Grasshopper24 wrote:
25 Mar 2023, 19:57
RestTarRr wrote:
25 Mar 2023, 18:20
How did you deduct that it's not that good? There's a single review that isn't technical; not from a gamer; they say they can't see a difference between the two, not that it's worse than the benq.

Nothing from that implies that it's not good or worse than the benq. Wait for proper reviews before jumping to random conclusions.
There’s a review by pcmag I believe that states this monitor has a surprising amount of input lag. I’ve also seen the number 7.7ms thrown around on Reddit, which should be taken with a grain of salt. What’s interesting is of the handful reviews on google, not a single one includes a UFO test.

I find it hard to believe this monitor will have good motion clarity when the 1080p 360hz IPS panels were all subpar when it came to response times.
Is the response time so critical to look at zowie's crappy colors? It seems to me that you will not notice the difference in response time between ips 360 and tn 360 and the low response time of the tn panel will not give you any advantages. It all comes down to the clarity of the image in motion.
But understand that in csgo there are no models moving so fast that they blur in motion.
At any 360Hz ips, the blurring is already negligible and imperceptible in the game.
Many pro players play on ips 360 and have no problems.
Moreover, I read quite a few reviews that dyac leads to severe eye fatigue and causes headaches. Dyac = crt monitor, same strobing backlight. People do not understand this and spoil their eyes.
I tested the xl2566k and acer 390hz (IPS) side by side in games and the Zowie had noticeably less ghosting/trailing, even without dyac. The colors are surprisingly good once you calibrate. I was surprised at how good the colors were in game since all I ever read online was how shit TN panels are. Maybe the general public will not be able to tell the difference, but a keen/sensitive eye definitely will. The image looks cleaner when moving your mouse around.

I think you need around 80% refresh compliance to actually see the benefits of higher refresh rates and all the 1080p 360hz IPS struggled to make it past 60% meaning 40% of pixel transitions do not occur within the refresh window resulting in more ghosting. The Zowie 360hz and asus pg27aqn are around 90% compliance( depending on overdrive) and the only panels that actually give a true 360hz experience.
Where can we find out the refresh compliance rate of a monitor?

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Re: Aw2524h 500hz in stock on Dells website

Post by Jefa35 » 19 Apr 2023, 04:16

Review of the AW2524H is available on rtings, and its excellent. Raw motion blur reduction is better than XL2566K while being IPS and 500Hz, it might be the #1 monitor for competitive gaming at the moment.
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Re: Aw2524h 500hz in stock on Dells website

Post by LordGurciullo » 29 Apr 2023, 04:16

Better? Hmm.. Not sure I feel the same, but its close. Review coming out soon!

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Re: Aw2524h 500hz in stock on Dells website

Post by Grasshopper24 » 30 Apr 2023, 15:25

Jefa35 wrote:
19 Apr 2023, 04:16
Review of the AW2524H is available on rtings, and its excellent. Raw motion blur reduction is better than XL2566K while being IPS and 500Hz, it might be the #1 monitor for competitive gaming at the moment.
Rtings shows the aw2524h has similar response times to the xl2566k so I don’t know if it’s better. It should’ve been an updated 360hz panel for better refresh compliance. If the refresh compliance is low, the image will look blurrier despite being higher hz. Only advantage at that point is 0.5ms of less input lag.
Also note - the Rtings test methodology uses GSYNC/FREESYNC ON which slows down some of the pixel response times.

This is the same issue the 1st gen 360hz ips had, they should’ve been 240hz but that’s not how you make sales. This is why the 1st gen 360hz IPS had WORSE motion handling than the best 240hz TN panels. Bigger number does not always mean better.

As far as #1 comp monitor, we’ll have to wait and see if this gains any traction in the comp fps scene but I doubt it. Especially considering the asus 540hz E-TN is around the corner.

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Re: Aw2524h 500hz in stock on Dells website

Post by Jefa35 » 02 May 2023, 07:10

Grasshopper24 wrote:
30 Apr 2023, 15:25
Jefa35 wrote:
19 Apr 2023, 04:16
Review of the AW2524H is available on rtings, and its excellent. Raw motion blur reduction is better than XL2566K while being IPS and 500Hz, it might be the #1 monitor for competitive gaming at the moment.
Rtings shows the aw2524h has similar response times to the xl2566k so I don’t know if it’s better. It should’ve been an updated 360hz panel for better refresh compliance. If the refresh compliance is low, the image will look blurrier despite being higher hz. Only advantage at that point is 0.5ms of less input lag.
Also note - the Rtings test methodology uses GSYNC/FREESYNC ON which slows down some of the pixel response times.

This is the same issue the 1st gen 360hz ips had, they should’ve been 240hz but that’s not how you make sales. This is why the 1st gen 360hz IPS had WORSE motion handling than the best 240hz TN panels. Bigger number does not always mean better.

As far as #1 comp monitor, we’ll have to wait and see if this gains any traction in the comp fps scene but I doubt it. Especially considering the asus 540hz E-TN is around the corner.
Seems like the values has been modified a little by rtings, pretty sure the response times were slightly lower than XL2566K when the test just came out.
But anyway XL2566K and AW2524H are still almost matching in term of response times, with the Alienware having higher Hertz, hence lower MPRT at 500+fps. So I'd assume the AW2524H is even better than XL2566K in term of brut motion clarity without strobing.

First 360Hz IPS were indeed far from being perfect motion clarity wise, PG259QN had overshoot and AW2521H slower response times. But it doesn't seem to be the case on the AW2524H.

But yes, if Asus do well with their 540Hz E-TN panel, they might take the lead over both XL2566K and AW2524H in the comp scene.
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Re: Aw2524h 500hz in stock on Dells website

Post by lyrill » 11 May 2023, 11:28

1. comp scene means nothing to the average player who has their own exp to rely on in terms of A what to play B how to play it C who to check up on for guides and D who to check up on for entertainment

2. I feel like either I'm tone deaf or some of you are ffs u are on BB and u say HZ is bad? wat? OFC the market is not mature it never will be, just buy whatever works for u at the time or keep waiting on to save money. you keep buying whatever comes out u will never actually have time to sit down and just play

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