Tarkov - Issues with G-Sync

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Tarkov - Issues with G-Sync

Post by Martin7 » 22 Mar 2023, 15:08

Hi,

I play mainly Tarkov but for some reason I can´t get G-Sync to work properly on that game. Mouse movement always feels weird and laggy, kind of blurry vision during playing the game often, the video content is just not right (and no it´s not Tarkov graphics...) and I can´t figure it out.

It´s not inertia, it´s not the game - I´ve tested the game already on a friends computer and the mouse movement feels completely different. Even on my Laptop from work which barely can run Tarkov with 40-50fps, even there the mouse feels more responsive.

My PC specs:
  • Win 11 Pro - 22H2
    2x Samsung 980 Pro (1x OS, 1x Games)
    Monitor: Samsung G7 2560x1440p - 27" 240Hz LC27G73TQSRXEN^
    Mainboard: MSI MAG Z690 TOMAHAWK WIFI DDR4
    CPU: Intel i5-13600K (no OC)
    RAM: Corsair Dominator Platinum 32GB 3200MHz CL16 running @XMP
    GPU: 4090 FE
    PSU: Seasonic Prime TX-1000W
Mouse: Logitech G502 @1000Hz
Keyboard: 20$ Logitech Keyboard

My settings in Bios/Win:
  • No fancy stuff at the BIOS, just enabled XMP and disabled Fast-Boot.
    Windows: Just installing Chipset-Driver, Audio driver, Ethernet-driver (everything from MSI homepage), Nvidia driver without GFE
    Windows Enabling High performance mode
    Monitor -> switched to Adaptive-Sync on| Dynamic Contract & Local dimming turned off
    Made sure that G-Sync is enabled for Fullscreen applications in NVCP
    V-Sync on in NVCP (according to Blurbuster guide)
    Disabled EPP
My settings in Game:
  • V-Sync off
    Fullscreen
    Nvidia Reflex Low latency Mode: On
If I turn on the G-Sync indicator, the G-Sync symbol will be active when I start the game, neverthless the Game just not feels/look right. It´s driving me crazy - the issue is that I don´t think it´s hardware-related or anything since I do think that I had this issue already with my previous PC - I might be doing something wrong everytime I do set up a PC but I just can´t figure out what.

Any ideas?
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Re: Tarkov - Issues with G-Sync

Post by jorimt » 22 Mar 2023, 16:32

Martin7 wrote:
22 Mar 2023, 15:08
This is unlikely to be directly G-SYNC related, so I may relocate your post to general at some point, but it's probably game-specific; according to the PC Gaming Wiki page, Tarkov appears to lock the physical refresh rate to 144Hz unless you enable the V-SYNC option in-game and disable it in the Nvidia control panel for the game profile:
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Escape_from_Tarkov

They weren't clear if "disabling" it was setting it to "Use 3D application setting" or "Force off" though.

I don't own the game, so I can't check myself, but you can temporarily disable G-SYNC and check whether you're seeing 144Hz or 240Hz in your monitor OSD with the game running.
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Re: Tarkov - Issues with G-Sync

Post by Martin7 » 22 Mar 2023, 18:15

Thanks for the quick reply.

I´ll perform the test tomorrow.

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Re: Tarkov - Issues with G-Sync

Post by Martin7 » 24 Mar 2023, 12:09

Performed the suggested check -monitor OSD was showing constant 240Hz.

I did own an Asus IPS 144Hz Monitor before and also had the same issues so no idea whats going on but its frustrating.

Also thought about buying a Monitor with Nvidia Reflex feature to have more information whats going on but not sure if that would help at all.

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Re: Tarkov - Issues with G-Sync

Post by jorimt » 24 Mar 2023, 23:14

Martin7 wrote:
24 Mar 2023, 12:09
Performed the suggested check -monitor OSD was showing constant 240Hz.
144 FPS 240Hz, or 240+ FPS 240Hz? Either way, did you try in-game V-SYNC enabled and NVCP V-SYNC disabled and visa-versa, and if so, did it change anything in the framerate/refresh rate scenarios?
Martin7 wrote:
24 Mar 2023, 12:09
I did own an Asus IPS 144Hz Monitor before and also had the same issues so no idea whats going on but its frustrating.
Just with VRR, or with standalone V-SYNC and/or no-sync as well?

Because if it's happening in all sync/non-sync scenarios, then you'd need to better describe what you're experiencing, because your current comments on the issue have been too vague; could be anything, from normal/expected to abnormal/unexpected.
Martin7 wrote:
24 Mar 2023, 12:09
Also thought about buying a Monitor with Nvidia Reflex feature to have more information whats going on but not sure if that would help at all.
Nope, that will just give you general input latency readings.
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Re: Tarkov - Issues with G-Sync

Post by Martin7 » 25 Mar 2023, 14:44

jorimt wrote:
24 Mar 2023, 23:14
144 FPS 240Hz, or 240+ FPS 240Hz? Either way, did you try in-game V-SYNC enabled and NVCP V-SYNC disabled and visa-versa, and if so, did it change anything in the framerate/refresh rate scenarios?
Refresh-rate did never change, always constant 240Hz but I might be still doing something wrong, if so please let me know. I did the tests again with better documentation:

Monitor Adaptive Sync off 240Hz
Game always running in exclusive Fullscreen

##Test 1##
NVCP
Refresh-Rate: Application-controlled
VSYNC: Use the 3D application setting

Game
VSYNC ingame: OFF
Nvidia Reflex: OFF

Outcome
Monitor: 240Hz
FPS: up to 144FPS - limited by Game to 144FPS
https://ibb.co/T1c7dzw

##Test 2##
NVCP
Refresh-Rate: Application-controlled
VSYNC: Use the 3D application setting

Game
VSYNC ingame: ON
Nvidia Reflex: OFF

Outcome
Monitor: 240Hz
FPS: up to 240FPS - limited at 240FPS
https://ibb.co/HgHKM1R

##Test 3##
NVCP
Refresh-Rate: Application-controlled
VSYNC: OFF

Game
VSYNC ingame: OFF
Nvidia Reflex: OFF

Outcome
Monitor: 240Hz
FPS: up to 144FPS - limited by Game to 144FPS
https://ibb.co/y6RQSqY

##Test 4##
NVCP
Refresh-Rate: Application-controlled
VSYNC: OFF

Game
VSYNC ingame: ON
Nvidia Reflex: OFF

Outcome
Monitor: 240Hz
FPS: unlimited
https://ibb.co/XZjPqBZ

jorimt wrote:
24 Mar 2023, 23:14
Just with VRR, or with standalone V-SYNC and/or no-sync as well?
G-Sync compatible - Asus TUF VG27AQ - 90LM0500-B01370. Before that I did own a Benq XL2420G with a dedicated G-Sync module, 144Hz, FHD
jorimt wrote:
24 Mar 2023, 23:14
Because if it's happening in all sync/non-sync scenarios, then you'd need to better describe what you're experiencing, because your current comments on the issue have been too vague; could be anything, from normal/expected to abnormal/unexpected.
There is still a high chance that I´m just doing/setting something wrong so your help is much appreciated. Overall the mouse movement feels laggy/sluggish - I do have the feeling that my physical mouse movement does not 100% match with the game movement and it´s for sure not related to the in-game mechanics like inertia because I can tell the difference when playing the game on my office laptop or when I tested the game at a friends computer.

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Re: Tarkov - Issues with G-Sync

Post by jorimt » 25 Mar 2023, 15:41

Martin7 wrote:
25 Mar 2023, 14:44
Your tests confirms that the game doesn't reduce the physical refresh rate below native in any scenario, just the framerate. That's all I needed to know. I just wanted to rule out the reduction of the physical refresh rate as being a cause or contributing factor to the "Mouse movement always feels weird and laggy" with VRR enabled.

I'm going to keep this simple; VRR has the lowest latency tear-free operation of any syncing method. Any lower latency requires tearing (aka no-sync, aka G-SYNC off + V-SYNC off), period.

So if you're already using G-SYNC on + NVCP or in-game V-SYNC on + 237 or under FPS at 240Hz (I.E. framerate remains within the physical refresh rate) and have verified G-SYNC is engaged in Tarkov, it's working as intended. There's nothing to further optimize or "get wrong" in that respect.

Any other issues that cause or contribute to "Mouse movement always feels weird and laggy, kind of blurry vision during playing the game often, the video content is just not right" is going to be down a variety of factors not directly related to base VRR operation. As such, I've moved this topic to the general board.
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Re: Tarkov - Issues with G-Sync

Post by Martin7 » 26 Mar 2023, 11:49

Thanks for your help and expertise.

Currently I have disabled everything, VSYNC in NVCP and in Game, Monitor running constantly on 240Hz and mouse movement feels now better.

What I did notice but I believe that doesnt mean much based on some threads is that the Hz value on the OSD screen likes to make huge jumps when using G-Sync even though the FPS are steady - e.g. FPS are locked up to max. 144FPS, I can see Hz-jumps over 200 sometimes, seems like the OSD-screen is not too accurate.

I would be nice if it would be possible to log also the refresh-rate of the monitor (e.g. MSI Afterburner etc).

Furthermore when using G-Sync with 240Hz it seems like the FPS are locked to 225 frames for whatever reason (NVCP Vsync on, ingame off, Nvidia Reflex on) - that happens in BF2042 and also Tarkov.

For now I stick to the the above mentioned setting, I can´t really notice screen tearing.

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Re: Tarkov - Issues with G-Sync

Post by jorimt » 26 Mar 2023, 12:32

Martin7 wrote:
26 Mar 2023, 11:49
What I did notice but I believe that doesnt mean much based on some threads is that the Hz value on the OSD screen likes to make huge jumps when using G-Sync even though the FPS are steady - e.g. FPS are locked up to max. 144FPS, I can see Hz-jumps over 200 sometimes, seems like the OSD-screen is not too accurate.
Yes, the real-time VRR meters on FreeSync monitors in G-SYNC Compatible mode are typically not reliable for average framerate readings and really only allow you to determine whether VRR is currently engage; fluctuating = engaged, static = not engaged.
Martin7 wrote:
26 Mar 2023, 11:49
I would be nice if it would be possible to log also the refresh-rate of the monitor (e.g. MSI Afterburner etc).
There's an unofficial RTSS add-on for the real-time variable refresh rate here:
https://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulleti ... st11931346
Martin7 wrote:
26 Mar 2023, 11:49
Furthermore when using G-Sync with 240Hz it seems like the FPS are locked to 225 frames for whatever reason (NVCP Vsync on, ingame off, Nvidia Reflex on) - that happens in BF2042 and also Tarkov.
Both G-SYNC + NVCP V-SYNC + LLM "Ultra" and G-SYNC + NVCP V-SYNC + Reflex will automatically limit the framerate to ~225 at 240Hz. It's to ensure the framerate remains within the refresh rate to keep G-SYNC active.
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Re: Tarkov - Issues with G-Sync

Post by zackp89 » 26 Mar 2023, 14:57

Martin7 wrote:
25 Mar 2023, 14:44
jorimt wrote:
24 Mar 2023, 23:14
144 FPS 240Hz, or 240+ FPS 240Hz? Either way, did you try in-game V-SYNC enabled and NVCP V-SYNC disabled and visa-versa, and if so, did it change anything in the framerate/refresh rate scenarios?
Refresh-rate did never change, always constant 240Hz but I might be still doing something wrong, if so please let me know. I did the tests again with better documentation:

Monitor Adaptive Sync off 240Hz
Game always running in exclusive Fullscreen

##Test 1##
NVCP
Refresh-Rate: Application-controlled
VSYNC: Use the 3D application setting

Game
VSYNC ingame: OFF
Nvidia Reflex: OFF

Outcome
Monitor: 240Hz
FPS: up to 144FPS - limited by Game to 144FPS
https://ibb.co/T1c7dzw

##Test 2##
NVCP
Refresh-Rate: Application-controlled
VSYNC: Use the 3D application setting

Game
VSYNC ingame: ON
Nvidia Reflex: OFF

Outcome
Monitor: 240Hz
FPS: up to 240FPS - limited at 240FPS
https://ibb.co/HgHKM1R

##Test 3##
NVCP
Refresh-Rate: Application-controlled
VSYNC: OFF

Game
VSYNC ingame: OFF
Nvidia Reflex: OFF

Outcome
Monitor: 240Hz
FPS: up to 144FPS - limited by Game to 144FPS
https://ibb.co/y6RQSqY

##Test 4##
NVCP
Refresh-Rate: Application-controlled
VSYNC: OFF

Game
VSYNC ingame: ON
Nvidia Reflex: OFF

Outcome
Monitor: 240Hz
FPS: unlimited
https://ibb.co/XZjPqBZ

jorimt wrote:
24 Mar 2023, 23:14
Just with VRR, or with standalone V-SYNC and/or no-sync as well?
G-Sync compatible - Asus TUF VG27AQ - 90LM0500-B01370. Before that I did own a Benq XL2420G with a dedicated G-Sync module, 144Hz, FHD
jorimt wrote:
24 Mar 2023, 23:14
Because if it's happening in all sync/non-sync scenarios, then you'd need to better describe what you're experiencing, because your current comments on the issue have been too vague; could be anything, from normal/expected to abnormal/unexpected.
There is still a high chance that I´m just doing/setting something wrong so your help is much appreciated. Overall the mouse movement feels laggy/sluggish - I do have the feeling that my physical mouse movement does not 100% match with the game movement and it´s for sure not related to the in-game mechanics like inertia because I can tell the difference when playing the game on my office laptop or when I tested the game at a friends computer.
any chance you can explain how you get such high fps in this game i have a 3080 ti and i9-12900KF 32gig ram and dont get that fps?

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