Is the ViewSonic XG2431 without strobing still king for minimum input lag, response time, ghosting and motion blur?

[Supermodel_Evelynn]

the experience was better on the XL2546X because:

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anyway the XG2431 is still for me the best 1080p IPS 240hz

If you had to choose between the ViewSonic XG2431 and BenQ XL2546K, which would you pick for competitive use?

BenQ XL2546K pros

- 0% overshoot with OD off
- Superior blacks
- Black equaliser
- Colour vibrancy
- 0.7in larger panel
- 0.4ms lower input lag
- Profiles

BenQ XL2546K cons

- 47.37% higher response time with OD off
- TN panel
- Lower contrast
- Worse viewing angles
- Higher price
- Released in 2020

The choice is simple, IF you have an RTX 4090 overclocked and Ryzen 7800 X3D both on water cooling then you should go with the XL2546X and NOT the K

The DYAC 2 at 240 FPS is almost PERFECT they achieved what Chief Blur Buster couldn't do which is run a LCD at it's max refresh rate and somehow not suffer from any major cross talk issue.

The MAJOR issue I have with all these strobed monitors is the lack of VRR and if you cannot maintain a SOLID PERFECT 240 FPS then you are going to enjoy some NASTY stutter and tearing when you are in important fight scenes with lots of visual effects that will drop your FPS.

You could in theory put the settings on low and run it on 640x480 like it's 1997 but I rather be raped by an Elephant
Or you know you could just buy a 360 HZ QD-OLED and enjoy crisp strobe free VRR gaming without the need for strobing while getting a perfect GLOSSY Screen coating and god like colors and contrast.

Rtings rates 360 HZ QD-OLED a perfect 10/10 for pixel speed at 360 FPS, it looks like an LCD with strobing enabled, this is arguably a FAR FAR Better buy than any TN LCD with strobing assuming you can push that much FPS. Still 360 HZ OLED with VRR enabled and getting constant dips in FPS in fight scenes will still be an infinitely superior experience than a 1080p 240HZ TN crap monitor with strobing and NO VRR and thick UGLY bezel and matte coating

[Sirius]

Thanks so much for your reply. What would you recommend for a 24-25", 1080p, 240Hz, IPS or TN? I can't help but feel that a TN monitor is not worth it in 2024.

Sorry for late reply, i've send back my XG2431, a very "meh" experience to be honest.
About your question to be honest, idk, it depend if you are like "TN in 2024 ? HELL NO" so yes...don't take the TN panel, otherwise the XG2431 doesn't help you to see better or anything else, it is not a screen made for FPS games, like, it can be ok for reading text...playing solo games if "acceptable" (even if i laugh so hard at people who still play at big solo games on a 1080p which requires high graphics and 1080p is just a dead resolution for that usage compared to 1440p or even 4K, because you doesn't have enough details.)

My only gripe with the ViewSonic XG2431 is that I can't calibrate the colours due to the firmware bug. The black crush is real too.

I mean, i really agree about black crushed ! either it's too "gray", either it's too dark but in games you can find some "ok" parameters and i didn't remember having difficulty with colors even if..yeah, it's just a basic 1080p IPS, not even wide color gammut.

I no longer care about strobing because it increases the input lag considerably which is why I posted this thread.

YES ! totally agree, a "Youtuber/Reviewer" called TotallyDubbedHD (not a big fan of him but..) have measured an increase of input lag while using the strobing and it's more perceptible than the Zowie for example.

How could this be the case if the measured response times of the ViewSonic XG2431 (240Hz) are lower than the BenQ XL2566K (360Hz) (assuming that RTINGS testing results are accurate)?

Doesn't truly understand wdym here, i've tested in the past the XL2566K and it was nothing impressive, like, just a XL2546K with a forced 360hz refresh rate (that's my opinion)

[Sirius]

look at any benchmark on the internet only a handful of Esport titles can maintain 240 FPS if you have a really good PC

An RTX 3060 isn't maintaining 240 FPS even in E-Sport titles stop fooling yourself

You need a very good PC to run most Esport titles at 240 FPS constant.

An RTX 4090 CANNOT run 95% of AAA titles anywhere near 240 FPS

You are living in lala land with these imaginary high FPS numbers and newer games are going to get even LESS FPS than what you see here.

No one in their right mind would play a competitive title with the graphic settings completely maxed out as per the image. Competitive graphic settings should easily net you 240fps in many games. For reference I'm using a Ryzen 3700X with RTX 2070 Super from 2019. Being able to maintain 240fps+ in competitive titles is actually pretty common today.

Don't listen to him, i warn him on several post because he offers a little too much misinformation (and he is known to be harmful on Reddit, he even made a dedicated post on this forum to get him unbanned from a Reddit subreddit, yes wtf)
So when he says "no one is going to play low on competitive games because it doesn't change anything", I think it's quite obvious to see the Troll, something which is not necessarily accepted here if it is not has a friendly goal, which does not seem to be the goal since it just misinforms by forcing its opinion which goes against the very logic and evidence.

I got 220 images (not stable but often) with a GTX 1660 at the time at the start of Apex Legends in 2019/2020, now it's no longer possible but it was "pleasant" and doable in low.

My actual 4080 Super today : i'm a joke to you

[Sirius]

If you had to choose between the ViewSonic XG2431 and BenQ XL2546K, which would you pick for competitive use?

BenQ XL2546K pros

- 0% overshoot with OD off
- Superior blacks
- Black equaliser
- Colour vibrancy
- 0.7in larger panel
- 0.4ms lower input lag
- Profiles

BenQ XL2546K cons

- 47.37% higher response time with OD off
- TN panel
- Lower contrast
- Worse viewing angles
- Higher price
- Released in 2020

We don't know each other and I'm just a random on this forum but to know > I used the XL2546X 1/2 months ago and I returned it, I tried the XG2431 again for give it one last chance and I sent it back a few days ago, so I have my verdict and the answer to your question, well, here you are talking about the 46K and not the 46X and I had the K version and. ..I wasn't really impressed to tell the truth, at the time I had difficulty keeping my Zowie monitors because it didn't give me much advantage and I was working on the colors and I can't have dual screen (I don't like it and I can't)

But the XL2546K with strobing is less manageable than the 46X, in my memory it had a lot of overshoot (less than IPS in general) but it was a bit annoying, the 46X has absolutely no overshoot because you can adjust the overdrive yourself.


I will respond to your pros and cons :

BenQ XL2546K pros

- 0% overshoot with OD off | Answer : OD off is not really good
- Superior blacks | Answer : Blacks are not "better" but you have less "IPS glow"
- Black equaliser | Answer : Yes, it's better than Viewsonic by far
- Colour vibrancy | Answer : Agree
- 0.7in larger panel | Answer : Agree, that's better and the Viewsonic are not sharper by any means
- 0.4ms lower input lag | Answer : I don't think you can feel 0.4ms difference but Strobing On vs Off on Viewsonic is perceptible when you move your mouse very fast
- Profiles | Answer : You can have similar thing on ViewSonic, not that practical but still here

BenQ XL2546K cons

- 47.37% higher response time with OD off | Answer : Unfortunately
- TN panel | Answer :
- Lower contrast | Answer :
- Worse viewing angles | Answer :
- Higher price | Answer : Price difference is really that huge ?
- Released in 2020 | Answer : GOD seriously ? wow this model are very old !



Anyway, if we compared to both, it depends of your usage and it depend if you really want to compete on FPS games, Zowie are better, strobing on ViewSonic on paper are "better" but with the lack of brightness while using best strobing parameters + lack of good Black Equaliser, you just don't see anything and don't see your opponent, both can be use without strobing and perform very good but for only FPS performance > Zowie.

Anyway 1440p OLED and some rare 1440p IPS are really good but you need the PC to run this resolution, about 4K...forget that for now xD

[Sirius]

The vast majority of people play E-Sport titles on max settings since turning down the settings does little to nothing whatsoever unless you turn it down so low it looks like a vomit inducing experience.

It's also harder to see and make a headshot when playing 640x480, the dumb resolution of "Pros"

Wrong, also...wrong and wrong !
No respectable pro player needs to put max settings, it goes against the logic and you don't know what you're talking about.
Even with the best components, you increase your hardware latency when you put high graphics (see latencymon results)

Also, you talk about "vomit" because it's decrease graphics so much it's ugly but you're playing on an XG2431, which is ?
a 1080p 24 inches, you already see nothing on the majority of games (if you want my honest opinion of course)

About "640x480" it is a logical choice only on CS:GO because player models will not be more visible otherwise, it is the most comfortable way to play CS because your field of vision is optimal and you can react faster in a more comfortable way , it's a strange choice that I don't accept because I don't play CS:GO but you should know, no one plays at this resolution on other more well-known competitive games

I rather crawl naked on rusted razer blades and broken glass laced with poison and HIV infected needles while being raped by a wild deranged elephant than do something this disgusting that completely destroys any enjoyment I can have from a game.

While you're playing on a 1080p 24-inch.

FYI your monitor or your mouse is NOT the reason you are stuck in Bronze.

1. Nobody said that
2. Not the subject
3. No peripherals will make you play better but better peripherals may not slow you down from playing better when you are good
4. Wooting / Endgames gear OP1 8k buyers : are you ready? **laughing hard**

Studies have shown that if you actually want the highest FPS in games you need something known as Ryzen 7800 X3D as it's better than anything Intel has to offer when it comes to raw FPS in games, that chip isn't cheap and no more than 1% of gamers are going to build an entirely new PC with this chip just to play at 240 FPS let alone 540

Wtf

PS: Even at 640x480, majority of AAA titles especially new ones on UE5 will not run anywhere near 240 FPS let alone 540 FPS
Hence the need for strobing at 60 to 120 HZ

Oh yeah !
I forgot... it's true that games like Nier Automata / Horizon Zero Down need high FPS to be enjoyed, I forgot that they were FPS games.

[Supermodel_Evelynn]

There is a big difference between 640x480 vs FHD 1080P

Only idiots play on 480P low settings.