Is the ViewSonic XG2431 without strobing still king for minimum input lag, response time, ghosting and motion blur?

[Sirius]

^ yes absolutely the XG2431 beats the Zowie dyac monitors it also beats their new DYAC 2 monitors cause DYAC 2 has a lot of cross talk at 120 HZ and is unplayable in 60HZ setting

Keep in mind that not all people want to play at 60hz in 2024.
Strobing or not, everything better than 60hz , that's even the trademark here.

The XG2431 have his proper niche sell thing and it is only good just because some people want a screen for some retro games/fight games, that's all.

Other than that the XG2431 doesn't have the best strobing at 240hz (max refresh rate) at all and doesn't have the best input lag with strobing, XL2586X / PG27AQN for example and some others perform better.

So obviously the XG2431 don't truly beat "DyAc 2" in terms of motion clarity, in certain area of crosstalk ? mmh "maybe" but these monitors are marketed to be 240hz/high hertz (max-refresh rate) monitor and majority will use them normally at max refresh rate whitout any sync or something.

The XL2566K/86x/46x are not perfect don't get me wrong (and they perform poorly at low hertz, sadly for some people) but still "perform" better than other strobing TN or IPS, strobing performance is not only about crosstalk but also latency and brightness.

I've use a XL2546X for a month and i send it back, i've receive my second XG2431 few days ago (i've already tested this monitor 1 year ago) and it's probably the best 1080p 240hz IPS that i've tested, either strobing on or off BUT it perform less well on FPS games (my daily use of FPS games) like Apex or COD than the BenQ XL2546X, black EQ is poor, colors accuracy are better but not pop as the XL2546X because it doesn't have any color vibrance thing and when using strobing, the XG2431 at max refresh rate feels a bit slower in terms of input lag, mouse feeling are a bit slower, not that it would make you lose a fight but it's more pleasant on the BenQ and overall i spot much more easier on the BenQ, the thing is...i send it back just because i use a lot in a desktop usage and obviously...that's a TN and my eyes don't really like it for that

The XG2431 is unusable with the latest/best strobing settings on FPS games because it's simply too dimm...you can't react like on a BenQ, you may ask me to play in a full dark room scenario to see better ? i don't want to because of a screen, i like the sun and even if i do, unfortunately i still see nothing because this monitor have a bad gamma/black equaliser implementation, compared to some other monitors that i have for example, dark is slighlty too dark, that's simply how it is and it's not a good thing for FPS games.
For a Custom QFT 60hz/120hz, i've tried, it's simply disgusting, like, i just can't stand in front on the monitor, i can literally see every strobe per second in front of my eyes, it's too disturbing and not usable for my use, on a FPS games scenario either 60hz or 120hz with best Custom QFT Trick it's just like i said previously...unusable, it's too slow, input lag/latency is clearly too high and honestly i don't really see "better" and i don't play better with these trick like, at all, on a 60hz/120hz retro/solo games...in 60hz it's simple, my eyes can't and in 120hz i still see a little bit of crosstalk so it's not 100% perfect (i've used same parameters as many people and also yours) and i just prefer my 60hz OLED, more blurry but much more beautiful/enjoyable than a small 24inch LCD screen.


Great monitors for his niche market at strobe extreme low hertz but not the best.

[Sirius]

Just had my ViewSonic XG2431 delivered. It had a visual defect out of the box which does not inspire confidence in the monitor.

Is the ViewSonic XG2431 without strobing still king for minimum input lag, response time, ghosting and motion blur or are there better non-strobing options?

Does the AOC 24G2ZU actually use the same panel as the ViewSonic XG2431? Is strobing the only discernible difference between the two? (I saw that there is conflicting info on which panel the XG2431 uses.)

My preference goes to 24-25" 1080p (for use in a dual monitor set-up), but the LG 27GR83Q-B (27", 1440p, 240Hz, IPS) currently costs $10 less than the ViewSonic XG2431 and may be another option to consider.

Please advise.

Without strobing, there are plenty of monitors that is better for motion clarity, most of them are TN BenQ but also the PG27AQN and...OLED.

If your use is to want the best strobing experience at max refresh rate for FPS Games you should avoid the XG2431 because it doesn't have the best strobing performance at all (only for niche 60hz strobing use) and have a very poor brightness at the best parameters for strobing, anyway if you use brighter parameters it have some crosstalk and basically it have more input lag than XL2546X when using strobing, i've used both, i haven't measured it but based on personal feelings over around fifty games over several days on 2 different FPS games, the experience was better on the XL2546X because:

- Quality of color vibrance on the BenQ, the Viewsonic does not have any

- Black EQ performs 100x better on the BenQ

- Strobing is brighter

- Very slightly less crosstalk at max refresh rate

Overall without strobing both still remains basic LCD monitors but Zowie is TN and on my personnal use is that on some transition the 46x feels faster, anyway the XG2431 is still for me the best 1080p IPS 240hz, if you really want IPS, keep it and always put the dark boost above 50 otherwise you will see nothing on dark area in FPS Games.

[Supermodel_Evelynn]

^ Yes the 240HZ DYAC 2 is perfect IF you can maintain 240 FPS
Yes the XG2431 brightness SUCKS compared to Zowie which is why I use 120HZ mode with max brightness 40 pulse
However 200 nit is still pretty good in a bright room

However only 5% of the world's gaming population can afford a RTX 4090 and a core i9 Extreme to run games strobed at 240 FPS without dipping.

As a matter of fact Warhammer 40K Darktide which I play regular just barely manages to maintain 120 FPS on a RTX 4090 at 1080P and no, shitty upscaling tech like DLSS and fake frames with high input delay isn't a real solution if you disable DLSS in darktide it makes a night and day difference, quality DLSS vs OFF = night and day difference. Upscaling looks like shit unless you are blind like some people who say it looks the same, the people who use upscaling and make excuses for these poorly optimized games are the same type who say the human eye cannot see above 30 FPS

If you use strobing you must maintain max FPS to match HZ otherwise you get very bad cross talk.

With the XG2431 you are guaranteed to maintain 60 FPS on most PCs so you at least get to have the clarity

Also this talk about only retro games use 60HZ is the stupidest thing I have ever heard in my life, literally every fighting game ever created up to Tekken 8, Street Fighter 6 and Mortal Kombat, Soulslike games such as Dark Souls, Elden Ring etc which are played by over a hundred million people combined are all games locked to 60 FPS due to game logic reasons it's animated at 60 and that's never going to change because the most important part of those games is reading frames and having cross play compatibility between PC and Consoles to maintain a healthy online playerbase.

You are talking about hundreds of millions of gamers who game at 60 FPS max and the absolute biggest benefit of strobing is at 60 to 120HZ

I have set my XG2431 to 240 HZ and 240 FPS without strobing, only game I have that can maintain 240 FPS on a decent PC is league of legends and at 240 FPS NON strobe there is very little incentive for me to care about strobing at this speed when gaming it's called the law of diminishing return.

By the time you reach 500 HZ / 500 FPS OLED you are pretty much done with strobing it would make way more sense to disable strobing at that point and use VRR benefits or in the case of Mini LED use the local dimming feature, I won't hold my breath on monitors ever supporting VRR, Local Dimming AND strobing at the same time.

Suggesting that the only games in the world that people play are CS GO and Overwatch, is simply ridiculous.

[Sirius]

Yes the 240HZ DYAC 2 is perfect IF you can maintain 240 FPS

Not like XG2431

Yes the XG2431 brightness SUCKS compared to Zowie which is why I use 120HZ mode with max brightness 40 pulse
However 200 nit is still pretty good in a bright room

And you don't see anything in dark area because the Black EQ + low brightness is bad for FPS games.

However only 5% of the world's gaming population can afford a RTX 4090 and a core i9 Extreme to run games strobed at 240 FPS without dipping.

Who need I9 + 4090 for a competitive games at only 240 frames mostly at 1080 ? lmao ?
Nobody have talk about I9 (I9 is useless for gaming) or RTX 4090, you absolutely don't need that, even RTX 3060 can easily on Apex Legends and some other games

As a matter of fact Warhammer 40K Darktide which I play regular just barely manages to maintain 120 FPS on a RTX 4090 at 1080P and no, shitty upscaling tech like DLSS and fake frames with high input delay isn't a real solution if you disable DLSS in darktide it makes a night and day difference, quality DLSS vs OFF = night and day difference. Upscaling looks like shit unless you are blind like some people who say it looks the same, the people who use upscaling and make excuses for these poorly optimized games are the same type who say the human eye cannot see above 30 FPS

What is this game ? you don't even need a good monitor to play at this game, not my fault if you play at no optimized games.
i can do 300FPS on Apex Legends easily with low drop and it's a game obviously known to have bad optimization.

If you use strobing you must maintain max FPS to match HZ otherwise you get very bad cross talk.

Obviously, and ?

With the XG2431 you are guaranteed to maintain 60 FPS on most PCs so you at least get to have the clarity

Lol who play at 60hz strobe in 2024 ? ofc you can but it hurt eyes and it's so slow asf, unusable for FPS and also on solo games.
High hertz monitor for FPS Games / Rythm games with 4K OLED TV for solo games = best of both world.
Even for games like Rocket League.

Also this talk about only retro games use 60HZ is the stupidest thing I have ever heard in my life, literally every fighting game ever created up to Tekken 8, Street Fighter 6 and Mortal Kombat, Soulslike games such as Dark Souls, Elden Ring etc which are played by over a hundred million people combined are all games locked to 60 FPS due to game logic reasons it's animated at 60 and that's never going to change because the most important part of those games is reading frames and having cross play compatibility between PC and Consoles to maintain a healthy online playerbase.

I've never said that, i said that the only way that people buy the XG2431 is for playing retro games, puting it in a giant arcade retro games stand or to play some niche solo games, why you need strobing for Dark Souls ? ( best speedrun is made by people with randoml screen ) and Elden Ring is better on a huge 4K screen ( like my OLED TV )
I absolutely prefer to play at 1440p / 4K on solo games even if it's 60hz, strobing will change nothing, i will never play at solo games on a ridiculous 24 inch 1080p display.

You are talking about hundreds of millions of gamers who game at 60 FPS max and the absolute biggest benefit of strobing is at 60 to 120HZ

CRT Tv's perform better than ViewSonic, ofc you need to find one and this is not because you play at 60hz that you need to play with strobing, these "hundreds of millions" of games doesn't choose to play at 60hz by their choice but because either they don't have money or something but they don't care about 60hz strobing, this is a niche, proof there is only one screen "marketed" for that even in 2024.
Plus, 60hz strobing is unbearable for a LOT of people's (even certains people's here that have already complain), you are maybe not that sensitive, i'm and some people too, it's obvious that you see each strobe and it cause eyes fatigue/it is not enjoyable, if you enjoy that, cool for you, not me, it's still a niche.

I have set my XG2431 to 240 HZ and 240 FPS without strobing, only game I have that can maintain 240 FPS on a decent PC is league of legends and at 240 FPS NON strobe there is very little incentive for me to care about strobing at this speed when gaming it's called the law of diminishing return.

Then your PC is either low-end or badly optimized/you've make probably some mistake by building the PC.
Because there are a lot of bad PC that can easily runs CS/Valorant/Apex at high FPS, my PC can run anything even at 1440p and 4K.
And no, you still need strobing at high hertz for high fast motion movement on some games ( Overwatch / Apex Legends ), the "law of diminishing return" doesn't work in that way, you didn't even play FPS games so you unfortunaly can't understand, afterwards, what are you afraid of? Are you afraid of having a drop of fps that lasts a few seconds? on a single player game? haha
You wouldn't even have time to feel the crosstalk.

Precisely, crosstalk needs to be improved at high hertz because it is in this type of scenario that we could have the fastest human reaction time, because high hertz + perfect strobing = incredibly exemplary gaming experience, motion blur without strobing at high hertz is still bad even on some fast IPS monitors (which have bad refresh compliance anyway) so don't act like we don't need strobing at high hertz lol, almost no one needs strobing for Tekken at 60hz (and that's not going to make you better)

By the time you reach 500 HZ / 500 FPS OLED you are pretty much done with strobing it would make way more sense to disable strobing at that point and use VRR benefits or in the case of Mini LED use the local dimming feature, I won't hold my breath on monitors ever supporting VRR, Local Dimming AND strobing at the same time.

Suggesting that the only games in the world that people play are CS GO and Overwatch, is simply ridiculous.

You will only have perfect eyes perceive motion at 1000hz=1000fps if it's without strobing (on a OLED TV), 500hz stil have bluriness but yes it's already great and better than 60hz/120hz strobing (like 360hz strobing)

For the last line, i've never said that all people play CS or Overwatch lmao but competitive Esport games community are the most demanding about strobing/high hertz low latency monitors, i will never use bad 60hz/120hz strobing with the XG2431 on my FPS Games, never, it's simply doesn't make any sens.

Keep in mind that your use = not the use of everybody.

[Supermodel_Evelynn]

look at any benchmark on the internet only a handful of Esport titles can maintain 240 FPS if you have a really good PC

An RTX 3060 isn't maintaining 240 FPS even in E-Sport titles stop fooling yourself

You need a very good PC to run most Esport titles at 240 FPS constant.

An RTX 4090 CANNOT run 95% of AAA titles anywhere near 240 FPS

You are living in lala land with these imaginary high FPS numbers and newer games are going to get even LESS FPS than what you see here.

[Sirius]

look at any benchmark on the internet only a handful of Esport titles can maintain 240 FPS if you have a really good PC

An RTX 3060 isn't maintaining 240 FPS even in E-Sport titles stop fooling yourself

Apart from taking a random not known game which are not optimized (what is Remnant 2 lol ?)

Here is my list of, "of course buddy" :

Overwatch :



Apex Legends :



Bloodhunt :



Valorant :



Apparently a 3060 can't do 240fps, that's not what i seen on several test and on my old PC's that i've had few years ago.

You need a very good PC to run most Esport titles at 240 FPS constant.

A 3070 or 6800XT which cost nothing today run 240fps without any issues and most of competitive players (not pro) have an RTX 3070 or something like that.
You know, going below 240fps won't make you lose a duel and won't make you die by any means, It's not a very serious problem, of course, on PC, you want a good experience? you work and you offer yourself the components that follow behind, nothing is magical, games require more resources than before, even in low, because they are more beautiful even in low.

An RTX 4090 CANNOT run 95% of AAA titles anywhere near 240 FPS

You are living in lala land with these imaginary high FPS numbers and newer games are going to get even LESS FPS than what you see here.

Who says you need 240FPS on all games?
When you buy a 240hz screen, nothing stops you from enjoying games at 60FPS or 144fps for example, especially if you have G-Sync or the module on the PG27AQN and you absolutely doesn't need strobing all the time, you are the first person that i seen who need strobing every day for all use.

Anyway this is not the subject and I never said that, because some games are console ports or are not optimized.
You clearly said that we need 4090 to have 240fps while it's not true, of course, you will not playing with strobing at solo games because it doesn't make any sens compared to competitive esport titles, solo games on a 60hz OLED TV is a better experience because :

1. You doesn't seen any strobe which is unbearable for a LOT of people's unfortunatelty.
2. You doesn't seen any "ghosting"
3. You doesn't seen any overshoot or something
4. You can on a LCD screen by using G-Sync etc
5. You doesn't have a lot of movement/bluriness on this kind of games which doesn't really require strobing since kinetic movement are slow.

You're getting off topic, I don't care what components we need since anyway, I already know that, I build a lot of PCs and I have a 4080 Super, I run everything.

Like i previously said > Keep in mind that your use = not the use of everybody, a thing that you didn't want to take seriously, especially if we refer to how you talk to people on Reddit or even to Reviewers like Optimum.

To conclude on the subject and respond to the person who created the post, no, the XG2431 is not the best screen without strobing.

[Liu]

Without strobing, there are plenty of monitors that is better for motion clarity, most of them are TN BenQ but also the PG27AQN and...OLED.

Thanks so much for your reply. What would you recommend for a 24-25", 1080p, 240Hz, IPS or TN? I can't help but feel that a TN monitor is not worth it in 2024.

My only gripe with the ViewSonic XG2431 is that I can't calibrate the colours due to the firmware bug. The black crush is real too.

I no longer care about strobing because it increases the input lag considerably which is why I posted this thread.

- Very slightly less crosstalk at max refresh rate

How could this be the case if the measured response times of the ViewSonic XG2431 (240Hz) are lower than the BenQ XL2566K (360Hz) (assuming that RTINGS testing results are accurate)?

[Liu]

look at any benchmark on the internet only a handful of Esport titles can maintain 240 FPS if you have a really good PC

An RTX 3060 isn't maintaining 240 FPS even in E-Sport titles stop fooling yourself

You need a very good PC to run most Esport titles at 240 FPS constant.

An RTX 4090 CANNOT run 95% of AAA titles anywhere near 240 FPS

You are living in lala land with these imaginary high FPS numbers and newer games are going to get even LESS FPS than what you see here.

No one in their right mind would play a competitive title with the graphic settings completely maxed out as per the image. Competitive graphic settings should easily net you 240fps in many games. For reference I'm using a Ryzen 3700X with RTX 2070 Super from 2019. Being able to maintain 240fps+ in competitive titles is actually pretty common today.

[Liu]

the experience was better on the XL2546X because:

...

anyway the XG2431 is still for me the best 1080p IPS 240hz

If you had to choose between the ViewSonic XG2431 and BenQ XL2546K, which would you pick for competitive use?

BenQ XL2546K pros

- 0% overshoot with OD off
- Superior blacks
- Black equaliser
- Colour vibrancy
- 0.7in larger panel
- 0.4ms lower input lag
- Profiles

BenQ XL2546K cons

- 47.37% higher response time with OD off
- TN panel
- Lower contrast
- Worse viewing angles
- Higher price
- Released in 2020

[Supermodel_Evelynn]

look at any benchmark on the internet only a handful of Esport titles can maintain 240 FPS if you have a really good PC

An RTX 3060 isn't maintaining 240 FPS even in E-Sport titles stop fooling yourself

You need a very good PC to run most Esport titles at 240 FPS constant.

An RTX 4090 CANNOT run 95% of AAA titles anywhere near 240 FPS

You are living in lala land with these imaginary high FPS numbers and newer games are going to get even LESS FPS than what you see here.

No one in their right mind would play a competitive title with the graphic settings completely maxed out as per the image. Competitive graphic settings should easily net you 240fps in many games. For reference I'm using a Ryzen 3700X with RTX 2070 Super from 2019. Being able to maintain 240fps+ in competitive titles is actually pretty common today.

The vast majority of people play E-Sport titles on max settings since turning down the settings does little to nothing whatsoever unless you turn it down so low it looks like a vomit inducing experience.

It's also harder to see and make a headshot when playing 640x480, the dumb resolution of "Pros"

I rather crawl naked on rusted razer blades and broken glass laced with poison and HIV infected needles while being raped by a wild deranged elephant than do something this disgusting that completely destroys any enjoyment I can have from a game.

FYI your monitor or your mouse is NOT the reason you are stuck in Bronze.

Studies have shown that if you actually want the highest FPS in games you need something known as Ryzen 7800 X3D as it's better than anything Intel has to offer when it comes to raw FPS in games, that chip isn't cheap and no more than 1% of gamers are going to build an entirely new PC with this chip just to play at 240 FPS let alone 540

PS: Even at 640x480, majority of AAA titles especially new ones on UE5 will not run anywhere near 240 FPS let alone 540 FPS
Hence the need for strobing at 60 to 120 HZ