The holy grail of monitors?

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dvs
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The holy grail of monitors?

Post by dvs » 05 Sep 2015, 03:21

Hi all, first time poster here so be gentle 8-)

I've been a huge fan of >60Hz since my old Samsung S23A750D which met an untimely end courtesy of me pitching it forward onto the corner of an AV Receiver, so am now currently rocking an AOC G2460PQU which I'm very happy with (oh, and a 23" Samsung 1080p off to the left, and a 720p Projector off to the right).

However I've been looking to go 21:9 for a while, the only problem being I can't seem to find any monitor existing or on a roadmap that has the following, "holy grail" feature-set:

21:9 aspect ratio
>28" size
3440x1440 resolution
>120Hz refresh rate

Regardless of G-Sync/Lightboost/etc if there was a monitor that had those ^ specs I would gobble it up like a greedy kid at a buffet. But I can't find any info anywhere.

Or am I crazy?

Cheers
D

Strangerbob
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Re: The holy grail of monitors?

Post by Strangerbob » 05 Sep 2015, 06:39

Nope, youre not crazy - just know what you want.

There are 5 "holy grail" monitors coming this year. The first one is available already.
Need to use multisampling/dsr/vsr for the lower res ones.

Benq xr3501 - 35inch, VA, 2560x1080, 144hz
Acer xz350cu - 35inch, VA, 2560x1080, 144hz + freesync
Acer z35 - 35inch, VA, 2560x1080, 200hz + gsync
Acer x34 - 34inch, IPS, 3440x1440, 100hz + gsync
Asus pg348q - 34inch, IPS, 3440x1440, 100hz + gsync


All of the gsync ones will probably have ULMB too.

dvs
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Re: The holy grail of monitors?

Post by dvs » 06 Sep 2015, 16:32

Well, just to clarify, none of those you listed match the criteria I mentioned; the first three are 1080 v-height and the last two are <120Hz.

My suspicion is there is some sort of bandwidth restriction with the current DP/HDMI standards but haven't found the time to investigate fully :oops:

Edmond

Re: The holy grail of monitors?

Post by Edmond » 08 Sep 2015, 02:01

If 100hz is too little for you, im afraid you need to start your own monitor manufacturing and create your own standards.

Cuz 100hz is the best we gona get for quite a while on these high resolutions. In terms of getting everything in one monitor - you aint getting anything better than those two 3440x1440 monitors i listed, for quite some time. Be glad its not 75hz or something, which WOULD have been too little.

dvs
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Re: The holy grail of monitors?

Post by dvs » 08 Sep 2015, 02:41

Don't say that Edmond, you know how technology goes, we'll get it eventually ;)

I don't care for waving numbers around, but having just changed my refresh rate to 100Hz from 144Hz, you can observe a difference - just moving the mouse around you can see it stutter at 100Hz where it didn't at 144Hz.

I'll keep riding around on my unicorn and talking to my mermaid friend about the fabled 3440x1440@144Hz....

Manimal 5000
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Re: The holy grail of monitors?

Post by Manimal 5000 » 08 Sep 2015, 09:28

dvs wrote: 21:9 aspect ratio
>28" size
3440x1440 resolution
>120Hz refresh rate
Ain't happening dvs. A gtx 290 ti wouldn't maintain 60fps at 3440x1440 with most games.You need 120fps for 120hz to work. Just because manufacturers are selling 'em doesn't mean anybody has the power to drive 'em. If you ask me the ones riding around on unicorns right now are manufacturers :mrgreen:

Edmond

Re: The holy grail of monitors?

Post by Edmond » 09 Sep 2015, 04:45

Manimal 5000 wrote:
dvs wrote: 21:9 aspect ratio
>28" size
3440x1440 resolution
>120Hz refresh rate
Ain't happening dvs. A gtx 290 ti wouldn't maintain 60fps at 3440x1440 with most games.You need 120fps for 120hz to work. Just because manufacturers are selling 'em doesn't mean anybody has the power to drive 'em. If you ask me the ones riding around on unicorns right now are manufacturers :mrgreen:
No offence, but this is a very annoying argument.

I personally play source games most of the time ...and that level of performance games. So for me a 5120x2160@200hz monitor wouldnt be an issue to drive with a single video card.

Manufacturers have FINALLY gotten off their milking stools and went back to work after 10 years of jerking off.
All because the PC hardware market is falling. Wonder why? Could it be that video cards have been reduced to marginal improvements like CPU`s?
Having the small 1080p 60hz TN trash as standard for so long also didnt help much. Whats the point in spending all that money if in the end you get to enjoy some barely visible stuttery, laggy shitty game concealed in motion blur and lens-flare effects?

Black Octagon
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Re: The holy grail of monitors?

Post by Black Octagon » 09 Sep 2015, 13:39

My dream monitor? Probably a 21:9 40" 3D 8k 480Hz flatscreen CRT...minus the niggling little issues that affect CRT, of course.

Manimal 5000
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Re: The holy grail of monitors?

Post by Manimal 5000 » 09 Sep 2015, 15:31

Edmond wrote:So for me a 5120x2160@200hz monitor wouldnt be an issue to drive with a single video card.
Be honest and say what settings you are running now that can extrapolate to that! Just wishing something true can't make it true. Even with old games like Source.
Edmond wrote:Manufacturers have FINALLY gotten off their milking stools and went back to work after 10 years of jerking off
Seems what really happened is, monitor manufacturers just decided to outpace the computer industry. They're dreaming because CPU power and thermal limitations are harder to solve than just adding pixels and Hz. Now there is a performance gap with computers at the bottleneck.
Edmond wrote:Having the small 1080p 60hz TN trash as standard for so long also didnt help much?
Yep it's good montor manufacturers are progressing but they should be practical. I still want 1080 for decent frame rates. If somebody wants to play UltraHD at 20fps ok. There's a lot of drawacks people don't know about with that.

Edmond

Re: The holy grail of monitors?

Post by Edmond » 10 Sep 2015, 01:21

Manimal 5000 wrote:
Edmond wrote:Manufacturers have FINALLY gotten off their milking stools and went back to work after 10 years of jerking off
Seems what really happened is, monitor manufacturers just decided to outpace the computer industry. They're dreaming because CPU power and thermal limitations are harder to solve than just adding pixels and Hz. Now there is a performance gap with computers at the bottleneck.
Ok. By that logic computers were heavily outpacing displays for a very long time when everyone was sitting on 1080p. Them computer hardware makes were sure dreaming a whole lot for a whole lot of time.
Manimal 5000 wrote:
Edmond wrote:Having the small 1080p 60hz TN trash as standard for so long also didnt help much?
Yep it's good montor manufacturers are progressing but they should be practical. I still want 1080 for decent frame rates. If somebody wants to play UltraHD at 20fps ok. There's a lot of drawacks people don't know about with that.
The two newly announced monitors that max our dp1.2 cable are:
a 3440x1440 IPS @ 100hz with gsync
and a 2560x1080 VA @ 200hz with gsync

You want high framerates? Gratz - you can get a 200hz monitor now.
And thank the gods the first 200hz monitor is a 21:9 VA, not a 16:9TN, that would have been such a disappointment.
Now i actually can see myself using it.

Its really scary that you think all this display advancement is "too quick" or something.
What came first - the egg or the chicken? Or should everyone just keep waiting on everyone else and WE WILL NEVER GET ANYWHERE?

Noone is forcing you to move up from 1080p. It will remain the standard for a long time still.

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