>>> VOTE!!!! Ideas To Help Blur Busters!

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How Would You Like To Help Blur Busters Pay For Itself?

I Use An Ad Blocker
36
16%
Add More Advertisements to Main Website (http://www.blurbusters.com)
33
15%
Add Banner Advertisements Here (to these discussion forums)
35
16%
Patreon-style Monthly Donation/Subscription (pay to get ads removed)
41
19%
Early Access Content
19
9%
More Affiliate Links (Amazon, NewEgg, eBay, etc)
51
23%
Other (please followup with idea)
5
2%
 
Total votes: 220

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Re: >>> VOTE!!!! Ideas To Help Blur Busters!

Post by Chief Blur Buster » 05 Nov 2020, 17:42

Randomoneh wrote:
30 Oct 2020, 19:38
3. Ads anywhere in any form but none from monitor, TV or mouse manufacturers
I presume you say this out of a neutrality concern, so for fair disclosure, a technical education of how advertisement networks now operates these days:

Blur Busters Ad Neutrality FAQ

Blur Busters usesautomated ad-bidding network system, and many advertisers just bid en-masse to a mass bucket of technology sites:

-- Even to this date, I don't even know all the monitor manufacturers that have ever biddeed.
-- Many advertisers don't even know they advertised on Blur Busters.

I don't get to choose the ads but I can exclude entire categories. I have specifically excluded three categories: no adult ads, no gambling ads, and no politics/election ads. Those ad categories are not allowed at Blur Busters.

If you notice any advertiser violates my strict category exclusion -- send me a direct blurbusters email via the website email link -- and I will promptly reprimand my ad vendor, AND will unceremoniously drop that advertiser from my ads.txt file. I also banned popup ads & desktop-browser sticky ads so if those appear, those advertisers are unceremoniously banned by Blur Busters as instantly as possible -- fortunately the ad agency has complied. I hate annoying popover ads, the ad formats I allow are a compromise.

All general electronics advertising is currently allowed. Excluding "Electronics" category means I'll have a large loss, making all the laptop ads and VR headset ads and Denon/Kenwood stereo ads and iPhone/Android ads disappear. Sometimes there's fine-tuned categories I can exclude, but they are currently too granular to configure.

The advertisers bid through my advertising network supplier (NextMillennium) using the industry-standard ads.txt -- mentioned in the Privacy Policy of Blur Busters; the Privacy Policy link found at the bottom of all Blur Busters pages -- system whereupon any advertisers can independently bid and fill space without my involvement -- I'm currently unaware which manufacturers have advertised in the banners in the past except I know at least some of them has. Thus, I am zero influenced by who advertises because the adfill is done unbeknownst to my knowledge!

I've seen ad fills from places like big name car manufacturers, mortgages, travel, conventions, banks, Amazon, Best Buy, virtual reality, etc. It's nice that Blur Busters is now able to be in the mainstream banner leagues now, even I'm still a small website compared to many.

Going with a banner ad agency that uses an automated auction-based system, was the best bang for the buck, though it only fills a % of the food on tables and roofs over heads, etc.

Consequently, it means monitor/TV/mouse companies can advertise if they wish, but I definitely won't be influenced by their advertising --

This is because the ad agency bidding system is automated for a pool of ads going to a pool of websites, automatically. Manufacturer just configure "Bid on Tech Websites", with a number (how many fills, total budget).

And the online ad agency it through all the ad networks in the industry standard ads.txt (found at many sites with ad banners, like tomshardware.com/ads.txt ... anandtech.com/ads.txt ... arstehcnica.com/ads.txt .... nytimes.com.ads.txt ... foxnews.com/ads.txt ... cnn.com/ads.txt ... overclock.net/ads.txt etc) to get the best adfill price through the banner ad networks. And then, finally, only then, the ad banner appears.

Thus, even though manufacturers bid on my site (often unbeknownst to their knowledge & unbeknownst to my knowledge), advertisement banners has no effect on my manufacturer neutrality. Conversely, I have only coarse control over excluding ads (e.g. ban adult ads, ban gambling ads), and banning "Electronics" category is too big of an exclusion.

A few websites completely opt out of advertising altogether (e.g. RTINGS) and depend more on a Patreon-style mechanism. That currently isn't practical at Blur Busters because we don't mass-test monitors; Blur Busters invents many tests that other websites mass-test with -- in a modified proverb -- we teach sites to fish, rather than give fish one at a time. More industry changing that way!

So Blur Busters has to rely on some additional sources of revenue to fund the continued operation of Blur Busters which is often smaller than some of our clients that uses our tests (such as RTINGS). Small, but powerful in high-Hz advocacy.

I have no problem if users wish to anonymize or use ad blockers -- it is your choice even if Blur Busters loses out -- I give express permission to turn on your ad blocker since it's mainly the experienced users that do -- but over 90%-98% of mainstream people don't bother.

One can also disable tracking (i.e. FireFox); the ads go more generic if you disable tracking. Most mainstream users do prefer more relevant ads, while advanced users sometimes prefer to turn off tracking for privacy reasons. I don't have awareness of the ads-relevance tracking at the fine level -- the automated software at the ad agency does that and the ad agency analytics does not reveal any of the tracking to me, so I don't even know which manufacturers advertised nor which users are tracked for which ad categories of interest, even if you saw an uncannily-relevant Amazon or Best Buy ad. The generic common ads-configure portal (that NextMillennium uses), only gives me basic analytics which is more fair to users, I don't want to know more than necessary. Some of the laws make it that way anyway in some countries, which the ad agencies have to follow. If the ad agency is breaking the law, they are reprimanded.

I rather experienced users (like you) volunteer to subscribe via Patreon instead, which will automatically disable the advertisements on both Forums and Main Site when logged on. A system will come out in 2021. Keep tuned.

P.S. For those worried about TestUFO... I have NO plans to add non-BlurBusters advertising to any TestUFO pages. It may advertise links to Blur Busters (self promotion) but TestUFO will stay clean (sorry, advertisers, I get hundreds of emails asking to advertise on TestUFO).
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Re: >>> VOTE!!!! Ideas To Help Blur Busters!

Post by Chief Blur Buster » 05 Nov 2020, 18:40

RamenRider wrote:
27 Jun 2020, 10:54
I use ad blocker and disabled when I saw this thread, but you should definitely set up those banners that ask people to nicely disable ad block in order to help the site.
Ad blockers are allowed here. You don't have to turn off the ad blocker, although it's nice if you do (thank you).

It's more important that fans/readers/visitors like you to encourage Hz disbelievers to visit Blur Busters. One happy person with adblocker, who loves Blur Busters, advertises Blur Busters to 10 different people in the mainstream who doesn't use ad blockers. Spread the high-Hz word to all the Hz disbelievers, buddy!

Or perhaps subscribe to our Patreon in 2021?

Skew wrote:
05 Aug 2020, 18:05
Hey Mark, I'm super late to this, but have you thought about trying to boost your ranking on Google for keywords like "input lag", "input latency", or even just "lag"? Maybe even... "display lag"?
SEO is planned; keep tuned. Blur Busters has hands in many pots; so attenton is sometimes diluted: We're not greedy and rather focus on the great high-Hz advocacy. People who understand us well deeply respect the Blur Busters path. Dirty work like recently successfully having convinced Microsoft to lift the 512Hz Windows limit (for future). And other behind-the-scenes stuff. But our SEO does ....need some gentle white hat ethical improvements, indeed.

Randomoneh wrote:
30 Oct 2020, 19:38
1. Patreon + early access
HavenGames wrote:
02 Nov 2020, 18:20
I believe passionately in Blur Busters' vision, and I'd definitely support a Patreon. I don't mind ads, but it would be awesome to get access to inside info about the blur-busters roadmap and testing progress or perhaps some tamer tidbits which are less sensitive.
Patreon is coming 2021. I held off longer because of COVID and didn't want to push your empty wallets. Even as Blur Busters temporarily lost some income this year (ouch). But users are asking "Take My Money!" (even if it's a dollar or two or five or eleventeen) -- the ones who insta-upgrade to 3080s and 360Hz -- so I have resumed the Patreon planning for 2021. Keep tuned!
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       To support Blur Busters:
       • Official List of Best Gaming Monitors
       • List of G-SYNC Monitors
       • List of FreeSync Monitors
       • List of Ultrawide Monitors

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Re: >>> VOTE!!!! Ideas To Help Blur Busters!

Post by RamenRider » 06 Nov 2020, 11:04

Chief Blur Buster wrote:
05 Nov 2020, 18:40
Patreon is coming 2021. I held off longer because of COVID and didn't want to push your empty wallets. Even as Blur Busters temporarily lost some income this year (ouch). But users are asking "Take My Money!" (even if it's a dollar or two or five or eleventeen) -- the ones who insta-upgrade to 3080s and 360Hz -- so I have resumed the Patreon planning for 2021. Keep tuned!
Naw just push it out now anyways. There's some people out there who did benefit from Covid. Makes no sense to not allow it, if people who can't afford it right now don't need to, it's their choice. But some people do want to support so at least give those guys the option.

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Re: >>> VOTE!!!! Ideas To Help Blur Busters!

Post by Chief Blur Buster » 06 Nov 2020, 15:04

Love to! But there is a good reason:

Patreon Logistics

The problem is I have not enough to offer to subscribers....yet. It takes some programming to customize the websites to disable the advertisements for Patreon. On both main site and on Forums. And a passworded early access system. And something that is easy and automatic.

Even then, I have to do it manually (change your account setting). Ideally, I want the ads to disable immediately upon the first payment — without waiting a few days for me to manually disable the ads for them (in those times that I am sick or away). Realistically I may have to do some manual work initially and automate the Patreon system.

Right now Forums and main website use separate logins, which complicates implementation of an ads-disable system. There is works to merge the accounts system of Blur Busters with the accounts system of Forums, but doing this in a way that doesn’t screw things up (two different people having the same userid under different passwords on the two different sites) — lots of domino effect complications.

Imagine maintaining 100 accounts or 500 accounts of people paying $1, $2 or $5 each — or even more — my audience includes cash-strapped gamers too so there would be that sort of thing too. Manually maintaining accounts is lots of work below minimum wage for whomever has to do it. Whether me, or me paying someone else to do this work — If I charge multiple fee Patreon subscriptions including low amounts. It has to be automatic, and that takes programming time to integrate - especially if not everyone wants to do a Social Media Login (which makes the work easier), as I respect people who wish to anonymize.

Alternatively, I could start focussing only on high minimum prices (e.g. $25 to $50 minimum monthly Patreon subscriptions). That would attract vendors/manufacturers/rich gamers but I honestly want to find ways to include a $1 or $2 or $5 entry too (for basic rewards such as disabled ads but no early access). To do that requires Patreon automation. I only get pennies per user per year for ads anyway, so it takes millions of visiors per year to really make ads worthwhile. More than 99 out of 100 people are lurkers on these forums that don’t have accounts, so I need to figure out how to disable ads without making them forum members if they don’t want to be forum members. That’s quite a conundrum. Everybody will want something different. So even low fee entry to disable ads, is worthwhile as long as it’s not below-minimum-wage work trying to maintain all the Patreon subscribers manually without an automated accounts system.

And the "damned-if-I-do, damned-if-I-dont" decisions can be stressful (to me), which has to be weighed against my time-effort of spreading the high-Hz word and mythbusting. But, today, Patreon is now worthwhile -- it is now high priority. Devil in the deets, tho.

And I have to do that to multiple sites (Forums, Main) and also some other related things like that. I want to launch when ready. The laundry todo list at Blur Busters is never-endingly long, but Patreon has bumped a few notches up the queue.

Some are happy just donating with no expectations of Patreon rewards, but others want rewards, so I want to make sure there are enough rewards that function properly (web modifications). I will try to accelerate things, but January or February 2021 is more realistic than Dec 2020.

Logistics, eh!
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       To support Blur Busters:
       • Official List of Best Gaming Monitors
       • List of G-SYNC Monitors
       • List of FreeSync Monitors
       • List of Ultrawide Monitors

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Re: >>> VOTE!!!! Ideas To Help Blur Busters!

Post by HavenGames » 12 Nov 2020, 04:35

Maybe you're over-thinking this. I want to support you to encourage you and do my bit to make sure your mission can stay alive. I don't need anything back except for you to keep doing what you do.

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