Re: BENQ Zowie XL2746S Owners Thread
Posted: 26 Apr 2020, 18:07
Are there any other screens using this same panel at the moment that also have strobing?
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Not that I saw but here's the screens:Falkentyne wrote: ↑26 Apr 2020, 18:05
Oh Yuck.
That's double strobing. 100% double strobing.
Is there an option in either the "Service Menu" or the "Factory menu" to enable single strobe?
Service menu:
Power off, hold button #4 while powering on, release button 4 after screen appears, press button to enter service menu.
Factory menu:
Power off, hold button 3+4 while powering on, release button 3+4 after screen appears, press button (usually 4, unless it's different) to enter factory menu.
I'll be skipping this monitor, then otherwise.
I absolutely LOVE how there's a nice little empty slot there for a "Single Strobe: On/Off".Dirty Scrubz wrote: ↑26 Apr 2020, 21:49Not that I saw but here's the screens:Falkentyne wrote: ↑26 Apr 2020, 18:05
Oh Yuck.
That's double strobing. 100% double strobing.
Is there an option in either the "Service Menu" or the "Factory menu" to enable single strobe?
Service menu:
Power off, hold button #4 while powering on, release button 4 after screen appears, press button to enter service menu.
Factory menu:
Power off, hold button 3+4 while powering on, release button 3+4 after screen appears, press button (usually 4, unless it's different) to enter factory menu.
I'll be skipping this monitor, then otherwise.
https://i.imgur.com/8RVng3q.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/eLyoBIw.jpg
ThanksDirty Scrubz wrote: ↑25 Apr 2020, 19:08I'll try to create an optimal DyAC profile at 100 Hz when I have some time later and record it and see how it turns out. So far the behavior I've observed w/this display is DyAC actually looks more clear at higher refresh rate than it does lower.
Any more adjustments to check ?One thing I did notice is at 100 Hz/120 Hz I get lots of crosstalk no matter what AMA/Dyac setting I use. I don't know if this is intentional or a firmware bug.
Double Strobe is unbearable.Not sure if this is what you're looking for but it's pretty terrible at 60 Hz: https://youtu.be/kQjSRBsyZb0
Here are pursuit camera screenshots comparing 280Hz single strobe ASUS VG279QM Vs CRT monitor. CRT is rock solid in motion smoothness, almost like static image, no artifacts, except small trail due to phosphor decay.
No I haven't messed with it yet as I'm not sure what some of the service menu entries do and I don't want to mess something up. I'll wait on someone more experienced to play with it.
Yeah fortunately I don't have a need for lower refresh rate strobing else I'd be disappointed. I guess console players or those that use console emulation will want to pick a different monitor that has single strobing.Double Strobe is unbearable.
Yup, I'm in my early 40s and grew up with CRT gaming (had the famed Sony FW900 at one point) so these LCDs are a very big step down with motion clarity although this XL2746S comes very close. I've been very impressed with the backlight strobing of this display, it looks miles better than that Asus VG279QM display you linked above.https://www.aperturegrille.com/reviews/ ... rog-Strobe
Here are pursuit camera screenshots comparing 280Hz single strobe ASUS VG279QM Vs CRT monitor. CRT is rock solid in motion smoothness, almost like static image, no artifacts, except small trail due to phosphor decay.
One ugly, cheap, +15 years used CRT monitor, beating modern gaming LCD in motion smoothness, very dissapointing, we better take it with humor
If gaming monitor manufactures want beat CRT, move to MicroLED, nanosecond response times, motion issues fixed, massive sales assured !!
<Pursuit Camera Commentary>Dirty Scrubz wrote: ↑27 Apr 2020, 18:49Now keep in mind YouTube introduces compression artifacts and the camera doesn't perfectly capture what I see. In person, this thing has almost no visible crosstalk/overshoot and is butter smooth, I'm very impressed w/this monitor so far.
Thanks! I will have to give that a try. I might also find a download site that will host the uncompressed video file so people can download it and view it locally if they wish to see it.Chief Blur Buster wrote: ↑27 Apr 2020, 22:47<Pursuit Camera Commentary>Dirty Scrubz wrote: ↑27 Apr 2020, 18:49Now keep in mind YouTube introduces compression artifacts and the camera doesn't perfectly capture what I see. In person, this thing has almost no visible crosstalk/overshoot and is butter smooth, I'm very impressed w/this monitor so far.
Very good pursuit camera run!
And very good observation. Yes, indeed YouTube adds compression artifacts. That said, your handwave track is relatively good (Youtube frame step keys "," and "." to find best Sync Track -- 3 tickmarks is even better than 2 tickmarks).
Exposure is relatively well balanced but compression artifacts definitely obscure.
It certainly looks good for 182 Hz strobing; getting uniformly low crosstalk at higher refresh rates is extremely hard for any panel. I would enjoy seeing clearer originals though with fewer recompress artifacts.
YouTube is good for the education of video pursuit and approximation-in-motion -- but can also find good freezeframe locally to skip the recompression-artifacts. You could single-frame-step locally, screenshot your favourite freezeframe (find the freeze frame with the straightest www.testufo.com/ghosting Sync Track with fewest tickmark misalignments). Optional though, but it bypasses the YouTube recompress step at least...
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