New 1080p 240hz IPS monitors. LG 27gn750, MSI MAG251rx, Asus TUF vg279qm/vg259qm.

[Bromerz]

https://www.displayspecifications.com/e ... 0e6f109449

their specs are basically identical. If however the 24.5" version has better overdrive settings, i don't have a clue. But i'm fairly confident it's using the 1st generation 240hz ips panel. it's still fast. As a matter of fact, the alienware IPS at 240hz is the fastest 1st generation IPS at 240hz.

I understand the specs are almost identical but when comparing the vg259qm, mag251rx and the aw2521hf the panel specs are almost the same outside of bit depth (mag251rx has FRC), HDR (aw2521hf is HDR400 certified but all 3 have the same 400 cd/m2 brightness spec which is all a monitor needs to be HDR400 certified), and the colour space (mag251rx is 107%rgb but this can be achieved by using a different polarising solution as seen in the 27gl850 and 27gl83 which use the exact same panel).

In short what I don't understand is this reference to 1st gen 240hz IPS and 2nd gen 240hz IPS when all the 240hz IPS monitors have come out in the last 6 months. Normally there's a good couple of years between panel generations. Take the 1ms 240hz TN for example and how long that was on the market before we saw the 0.5ms TN Panels in summer 2019.

Id be curious to see from people that actually have these monitors exactly what part number the panel is under the service menu as I suspect they all use the same panel just the implementation is slightly different.

Edit: types on mobile so amended some spelling mistakes.

[RLCSContender*]

https://www.displayspecifications.com/e ... 0e6f109449

their specs are basically identical. If however the 24.5" version has better overdrive settings, i don't have a clue. But i'm fairly confident it's using the 1st generation 240hz ips panel. it's still fast. As a matter of fact, the alienware IPS at 240hz is the fastest 1st generation IPS at 240hz.

I understand the specs are almost identical but when comparing the vg259qm, mag251rx and the aw2521hf the panel specs are almost the same outside of bit depth (mag251rx has FRC), HDR (aw2521hf is HDR400 certified but all 3 have the same 400 cd/m2 brightness spec which is all a monitor needs to be HDR400 certified), and the colour space (mag251rx is 107%rgb but this can be achieved by using a different polarising solution as seen in the 27gl850 and 27gl83 which use the exact same panel).

I'm shirt what u don't understand is thus reference to 1st gen 240hz IPS and 2nd gen 240hz IPS when all the 240hz IPS monitors have come out in the last 6 months. Normally there's a good couple of years between panel generations. Take the 1ms 240hz TN for example and how long that was on the market before we saw the 0.5ms TN Panels in summer 2019.

Id be curious to see from people that actually have these monitors exactly what part number the panel is under the service menu as I suspect they all use the same panel just the implementation is slightly different.

you must be joking.,.. 8 bit+_FRC is its emulating 1 billion dollars and it also reduces color banding(color inaccuracies) and color uniformity. If it doesn't have it, this is the monstrisity you will see. (the backlight bleed will amplify the negative effects of the color banding and uniformity).

(keep in mind, even my 15 yr old 720p HDTV looks better than the VG279qm).

btw, i'm also a realist. Visual acuity is VERY important(unless u want to see a pixelated screen).

t;d;r;l

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VISUAL ACUITY (optimal viewing distance for a normal 20/20 vision person) for 27" 1080p(SUBTRACT 2 INCHES, and that will be the visual acuity dist ance for 24.5 inch 1080p)

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I tested EVERY relevant 240hz monitor. and based off what i saw(thx to the TWO oscilloscopes i purchased from amazon
Those "review" sites are affiliate marketers doing it for a financial incentive. I don't want to name any person or entity but as a critical thinker and a skeptic, I tell the truth from the point of view from the consumer. A lot of ppl will not like some of my posts but i believe in the honesty over deceit. The eyes don't lie.

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[callen62]

I got the mag and it is amazing except I am not a fan of the 60hz input lag being 18-22ms according to the leo bodnar. Only disappointing thing about the monitor otherwise shes a beauty.

[RLCSContender*]

I got the mag and it is amazing except I am not a fan of the 60hz input lag being 18-22ms according to the leo bodnar. Only disappointing thing about the monitor otherwise shes a beauty.

I don't want to be condescending but Leo Bodnar's input lag tests should be taken with a grain of salt. Not only is it outdated. The tool that is being used is in the context of 60hz, and NOT 240hz monitors which means input lag readings won't accomodate 240hz monitors and thus give you bogus readings.

When i used my MAG 251rx on my xbox one X at HDMI VRR 40-60hz frequency, the input lag was excellent. I didn't see much difference whatsoever.

[Bromerz]

you must be joking.,.. 8 bit+_FRC is its emulating 1 billion dollars and it also reduces color banding(color inaccuracies) and color uniformity. If it doesn't have it, this is the monstrisity you will see. (the backlight bleed will amplify the negative effects of the color banding and uniformity).

(keep in mind, even my 15 yr old 720p HDTV looks better than the VG279qm).

I'm not debating the difference between 8bit and 10bit (or 8bit+FRC). I am aware of how many more colours a 10bit can show and how this affects colour banding. I am asking where this information with regards to 1st gen and 2nd gen 240hz IPS has come from when the current 27 and 24.5 inch IPS 240hz came to market in Q2 or Q3 2019 and there were none before this and none more recently released. I previously provided a screenshot of the release dates of 24.5inch 1080p IPS 240hz panels.

[forii]

Can you proof some good colors of that MSI MAG251rx?

I have the Asus VG259QM for 1 week and its perfect except the colors, and I believe 10 bit will be more "too good" for gaming except for movies/photos.

That is why I actually bought BenQ XL2540, because it is also same fast monitor but with TN panel which is better for visibility in gaming ( I had TN 144hz before so I know TN has better visibility + also better motion blur).

How is motion blur in that MSI compare to Asus?

Sadly its impossible to buy it in Poland, so I could test it.

[forii]

I will main two monitors and will use them permanently for the next 2-4 yrs.

the 24.5 inch XG270 and the 24.5 inch MSI MAG251rx.

Keep in mind, the seperate topic i'm going to make covers EVERYTHING, not just speed. but the MSI MAG251rx is the best overall IPS monitor right now. yes, it's also the only TRUE wide gamut monotor bcuz it has ditherring and greatly reduces banding. It's the only 10 bit IPS 240hz monitor which is higher than its 8 bit competitors(1 billion color>>all) and ranked #1 in response time+#1 in contrast ratio+#1 in wide gamut colors+#3 in color accuracy(behind the crappy 27gn750( was shocked since it's only 6 bit) and its fake and the well rounded xg270).
I had high hopes of the 27gn750. it is the most beautiful monitor to look at though so i guess on aesthetics alone, the 27gn750 wins. Also the 27gn750 looks "decent" for slower games, and has the best viewing angles, so i guess the 27gn750 isn't "useless" but the lack of wide gamut, lack of backlight strobing, 6 bit+FRC, blurry if you play fast paced games. etc. it's barebones compatibilities outweigh its 240hz refresh rate. You cuold however try its fastest overdrive "faster", i clocked in at 1.8ms with its ridiculous overshoot, The blue halos are extremely annoying but if u can tolerate that, more power to u

Im confused, in previous posts you said that MSI is trash and now you telling us that how good is it, and u will keep it?

Just returned the MSI MAG251rx just now. It's a wide gamut monitor with no sRGB which is a major dealbreaker. i measured at 111% sRGB. The stand is pretty bad and clunky. If your monitor falls down, it will crack easily. not to mention the overly tacky gamer aesthetics and "esports"

The only redeeming factor is the response time and ridiculously low input lag This is by far the fastest IPS monitor i've ever tested. (it's way faster than my viewsonic xg270qg even with its variable overdrive). I used two sources to measure response time(Eizo and this website). Average g2g was a whopping 3.1ms(that is better than most high end TN monitors). This was measured at 80 overdrive at its 240hz refresh rate. Even on lower refresh rates, the g2g average never goes above 4ms. That means this is good for console gaming.

The backlight strobing is actually above average(yes, you can strobe at 240hz). I tried it and i didn't see much difference, except the screen got dimmer. I dont' see the point of using backlight strobing if your FPS is running above 200 on this monitor because it's already buttery smooth without it. i Truly belileve this is the fastest 240hz IPS monitor right now. Gaming aside, everything else is atrocious

Poor/clunky stand and bad ergonomics.
No sRGB mode to clamp the oversaturation. Everything will be washed out
HDR is crap, dont' even turn it on. It has about 1100:1 contrast ratio, but there will be a lot of input lag.
Monitor aesthetics is not visually pleasing whatsoever(especially with its tacky esports logo and color)

in terms of perfomance, this monitor delivers. However, i'm willing to trade a slightly less response time for srgb mode, better stand, etc because at this low of a response time, it's really imperceptible (especially among other 240hz monitors).

I don't recommend this monitor even as a side monitor for gaming because everything else outside of gaming is pretty bad. There are other monitors(it will probably be slower than the msi mag251rx but with better aesthetics, has sRGB mode, and better ergonomics, etc) because a slightly faster response time from 3.1 to 3.6 is negligible). . In general though, if i was NOT comparing this monitor relative to other high end 240hz monitors, this is a phenomenal. Then again, the 240hz 1080p market for IPS panels is starting to get competitive(and perhaps oversaturated).

Next up is the VG279qm. I purchased it through amazon and it's coming in a couple of days. Can't wait to try it out

[RLCSContender*]

I will main two monitors and will use them permanently for the next 2-4 yrs.

the 24.5 inch XG270 and the 24.5 inch MSI MAG251rx.

Keep in mind, the seperate topic i'm going to make covers EVERYTHING, not just speed. but the MSI MAG251rx is the best overall IPS monitor right now. yes, it's also the only TRUE wide gamut monotor bcuz it has ditherring and greatly reduces banding. It's the only 10 bit IPS 240hz monitor which is higher than its 8 bit competitors(1 billion color>>all) and ranked #1 in response time+#1 in contrast ratio+#1 in wide gamut colors+#3 in color accuracy(behind the crappy 27gn750( was shocked since it's only 6 bit) and its fake and the well rounded xg270).
I had high hopes of the 27gn750. it is the most beautiful monitor to look at though so i guess on aesthetics alone, the 27gn750 wins. Also the 27gn750 looks "decent" for slower games, and has the best viewing angles, so i guess the 27gn750 isn't "useless" but the lack of wide gamut, lack of backlight strobing, 6 bit+FRC, blurry if you play fast paced games. etc. it's barebones compatibilities outweigh its 240hz refresh rate. You cuold however try its fastest overdrive "faster", i clocked in at 1.8ms with its ridiculous overshoot, The blue halos are extremely annoying but if u can tolerate that, more power to u

Im confused, in previous posts you said that MSI is trash and now you telling us that how good is it, and u will keep it?

Just returned the MSI MAG251rx just now. It's a wide gamut monitor with no sRGB which is a major dealbreaker. i measured at 111% sRGB. The stand is pretty bad and clunky. If your monitor falls down, it will crack easily. not to mention the overly tacky gamer aesthetics and "esports"

The only redeeming factor is the response time and ridiculously low input lag This is by far the fastest IPS monitor i've ever tested. (it's way faster than my viewsonic xg270qg even with its variable overdrive). I used two sources to measure response time(Eizo and this website). Average g2g was a whopping 3.1ms(that is better than most high end TN monitors). This was measured at 80 overdrive at its 240hz refresh rate. Even on lower refresh rates, the g2g average never goes above 4ms. That means this is good for console gaming.

The backlight strobing is actually above average(yes, you can strobe at 240hz). I tried it and i didn't see much difference, except the screen got dimmer. I dont' see the point of using backlight strobing if your FPS is running above 200 on this monitor because it's already buttery smooth without it. i Truly belileve this is the fastest 240hz IPS monitor right now. Gaming aside, everything else is atrocious

Poor/clunky stand and bad ergonomics.
No sRGB mode to clamp the oversaturation. Everything will be washed out
HDR is crap, dont' even turn it on. It has about 1100:1 contrast ratio, but there will be a lot of input lag.
Monitor aesthetics is not visually pleasing whatsoever(especially with its tacky esports logo and color)

in terms of perfomance, this monitor delivers. However, i'm willing to trade a slightly less response time for srgb mode, better stand, etc because at this low of a response time, it's really imperceptible (especially among other 240hz monitors).

I don't recommend this monitor even as a side monitor for gaming because everything else outside of gaming is pretty bad. There are other monitors(it will probably be slower than the msi mag251rx but with better aesthetics, has sRGB mode, and better ergonomics, etc) because a slightly faster response time from 3.1 to 3.6 is negligible). . In general though, if i was NOT comparing this monitor relative to other high end 240hz monitors, this is a phenomenal. Then again, the 240hz 1080p market for IPS panels is starting to get competitive(and perhaps oversaturated).

Next up is the VG279qm. I purchased it through amazon and it's coming in a couple of days. Can't wait to try it out

i didn't like the look of the stand of the monitor. But the performance and colors are up there. Also, i didn't have the other top IPS panels to compare it to but upon trying the other 240hz ips monitors, the MAG 251rx is by far the best.



repurchased it and i will stick with it for the foreseeable future. (It's simply the best and fastest IPS monitor right now and the only 240hz IPS monitor with an actual wide gamut support thanks to 10 bit. I'm just not fond of the steand and the way it looks(it looks clunnky). I'm getting a VESA stand for it

[RLCSContender*]

Can you proof some good colors of that MSI MAG251rx?

I have the Asus VG259QM for 1 week and its perfect except the colors, and I believe 10 bit will be more "too good" for gaming except for movies/photos.

That is why I actually bought BenQ XL2540, because it is also same fast monitor but with TN panel which is better for visibility in gaming ( I had TN 144hz before so I know TN has better visibility + also better motion blur).

How is motion blur in that MSI compare to Asus?

Sadly its impossible to buy it in Poland, so I could test it.

10 bit reduces color banding(color inaccuracies) and thus reduces color uniformity and will emulate 1 billion colors instead of the regular 8 bit panels. They are both the same AU Optronics AHVA IPS model but the overdrive implementation and the addition of a wider gamut are the the main reason why i chose the mag 251rx over its TN color equivalent looking IPS cousin VG279qm. I do however miss 280hz ELMB-SYNC. it was a blast to use but in my opinion redundant because 240hz is already clear enough as it is. Also, the MAG 251rx has backlight strobing at 240hz and it has way less crosstalk than ELMB-SYNC(however, you cannot use adaptive sync at the same time on the MSI). Tearing at 240hz is not even noticeable so backlight strobing on the MSI is just as good as ELMB sync(and in my opinion better because there's less crosstalk ion a wider range of refresh rate).

The MAG 251rx is the only 10 bit wide gamut IPS 240hz monitor right now(although there are more coming so feel free to correct). And it has the fastest g2g average at about 3.0

It was a tough decision that i made. But it was the right decision. Yes the Asus, you can overclock to 280hz, but it's simply not fast enough to be at 280h,

tldrkr;

better overdrive implentation+10 bit wide gamut>>>>+40hz overclocked

[jnashville]

Okay need your honest opinion.

I am playing csgo. And my vg259qm which is the 25inch model is being delivered to me in the next hour or so.

My fps in csgo can hit above 300 fps as I am on a gtx 1080ti

Did I made a bad purchase?

If not, what the best experience to play it for csgo? I am currently on the 240hz alienware aw2518h. Upgraded to a vg259qm for the 280hz.

So shall I play it on a 280hz or a 240hz then after all u had mentioned?