05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.

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Re: 05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.

Post by LikeableSloth » 08 Sep 2020, 10:59

Looks good colour wise but I havent hear much about gigabytes aim stabilisation ok guessing this is a strobing

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Re: 05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.

Post by purplew » 08 Sep 2020, 11:41

purplew wrote:
08 Sep 2020, 01:37
Stevie66 wrote:
07 Sep 2020, 21:05
Still like the LG 27GN750-B on the fast setting the best so far, though I wish it were 24" instead of 27"(kind of makes me want the Msi MAG again lol).
Yeah i had a 1440p 27'' before moving to the mag251rx, 24'' is much better for competitive gaming imo
that being said I don't even use the MAG on fastest, I leave it on "fast" even if I'm not even getting 240hz compliance it feels much clearer visually
quoting myself again, I just played like 6 hours non stop this morning. 4 hours into my session I decided to turn it up to "fastest" and boy is the difference noticeable, speed wise it feels like it's running on steroids compared to "fast", not sure if the motion speed helps me at all but "fast" definitely isn't fast enough to keep up. I'd say it's worth leaving it on "fastest" for now and just forgetting about it.

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Re: 05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.

Post by Stevie66 » 08 Sep 2020, 11:45

purplew wrote:
08 Sep 2020, 11:41
purplew wrote:
08 Sep 2020, 01:37
Stevie66 wrote:
07 Sep 2020, 21:05
Still like the LG 27GN750-B on the fast setting the best so far, though I wish it were 24" instead of 27"(kind of makes me want the Msi MAG again lol).
Yeah i had a 1440p 27'' before moving to the mag251rx, 24'' is much better for competitive gaming imo
that being said I don't even use the MAG on fastest, I leave it on "fast" even if I'm not even getting 240hz compliance it feels much clearer visually
quoting myself again, I just played like 6 hours non stop this morning. 4 hours into my session I decided to turn it up to "fastest" and boy is the difference noticeable, speed wise it feels like it's running on steroids compared to "fast", not sure if the motion speed helps me at all but "fast" definitely isn't fast enough to keep up. I'd say it's worth leaving it on "fastest" for now and just forgetting about it.
Yep, Fastest was the best for me over 200 fps, under that I went Fast and 60hz locked games Fastest again.

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Re: 05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.

Post by purplew » 08 Sep 2020, 12:04

Stevie66 wrote:
08 Sep 2020, 11:45
purplew wrote:
08 Sep 2020, 11:41
purplew wrote:
08 Sep 2020, 01:37
Stevie66 wrote:
07 Sep 2020, 21:05
Still like the LG 27GN750-B on the fast setting the best so far, though I wish it were 24" instead of 27"(kind of makes me want the Msi MAG again lol).
Yeah i had a 1440p 27'' before moving to the mag251rx, 24'' is much better for competitive gaming imo
that being said I don't even use the MAG on fastest, I leave it on "fast" even if I'm not even getting 240hz compliance it feels much clearer visually
quoting myself again, I just played like 6 hours non stop this morning. 4 hours into my session I decided to turn it up to "fastest" and boy is the difference noticeable, speed wise it feels like it's running on steroids compared to "fast", not sure if the motion speed helps me at all but "fast" definitely isn't fast enough to keep up. I'd say it's worth leaving it on "fastest" for now and just forgetting about it.
Yep, Fastest was the best for me over 200 fps, under that I went Fast and 60hz locked games Fastest again.
Yeah, even at ~200fps it's very noticeable

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Re: 05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.

Post by hexacorn » 08 Sep 2020, 13:01

So i just ordered the msi mag251rx. When I am playing valorant my game goes down to like 220ish fps when im in a fight with someone. Sometimes it may go down to as low as 200. This is without my hardware being OC'd so i suppose i could just overclock and get fps consistently above 240 more, but what are the implications with having fps below 240 on a 240hz?

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Re: 05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.

Post by RLCSContender* » 09 Sep 2020, 04:07

Best motion clarity part 4. The king is finally crowned The introduction. This monitor will be RLCScontender's MAIN. (I will participate in RLCS season 10 and 11. wish me luck).

This is it folks. The post everyone has been waiting for.


This post based off MY tests dictated who I crowned as the best overall motion clarity. It came down to TWO monitors but before i Do that, let me explain to everyone how i came into this conclusion.

i respect everyone's opinion about what their perceived "motion clarity" is. But lets be real here, is it really subjective? To me, i don't find motion clarity subjective at all. For most people, its' common knowledge to know which has a more "BLURRY" image compared to the other; and although there's that .0001% that think the more "blurry' image looks better, statistic wise that isn't an accurate depiction of reality.

Dealbreakers

Pixel inversion artifacts is a DEALBREAKER. IMO this is a BIG no no. Sorry TN but every TN will automatically FAIL this.

Overshoot is a DEALBREAKER

any monitor larger than 24.5" is a dealbreaker(except the odyssey g7 32")

why is OVERSHOOT a dealbreaker?
That feint inverse ghosting you may see at 960 pixel speed(usually in Newbie lobbies or lobbies filled with beginners). In my in practice tests, that "feint inverse ghosting corona" will turn into a blazing blue fireball at 1440-1920 pixel speed(the higher ranked lobbies)

Just how slow is 960 pixel speed? in rocket league standards, it's VERY slow. That kind of speed is only seen in "bronze" ranked lobbies(the beginner rank in rocket league).

Here's a video i made. I made a training pack in rocket league and the moving ball crosses my monitor at exactly 2.00 seconds. Notice how slow 960 pixel speed is. Even the odyssey monitors passes this kind of speed. Also, most inverse ghosting monitors will pass.

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1440-1920 pixel speed. everything gets extremely ugly. Even the fastest monitors cannot process this kind of speed.

Here an image of the alienware aw2521hfl on "faster" on 1920 pixel speed. It almost looks like a blazing blue fireball(although OD faster has a lot of overshoot even at 960 speed, so most ppl would know this isn't the OD to play on from the get go) But to show everyone what "bad" overshoot looks like, here it is. (keep in mind, this is on an od setting that is noticeably bad even at 960 pixel speed, but for the sake of reference, here it is.

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Here's a more realistic photo I took of a "Monitor" that has feint inverse ghosting coronas at 960 pixel speed but will have noticeable bright trails if the rocket league ball goes as fast as 1920 pixel speed. Yes folks, that is 1% OVERSHOOT.

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that feint inverse ghosting corona you may see on those UFO ghosting tests is at 960 pixel speed. Sadly, it will have a much much brighter inverse ghosting corona if the pixel speed goes above 1080 pixel speed.

That is how i came to a conclusion that ANYTHING WITH INVERSE GHOSTING (WHETHER IT'S FEINT or not), is UNPLAYABLE. The only times most people would find 960 pixel speed is on NEWBIE lobbies or a lobby where everyone is camping(sniping).

why 24.5" only?. sorry guys but there are no Ifs ands or buts. Ff the monitor is larger than 24.5", I WILL NOT CONSIDER IT FOR COMPETITIVE GAMING especially in the context of this post(motion clarity). But here's proof of it.




For the acer predator to beat the MSI MAG251rx in competitive gaming, you would need to follow these steps.

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40-52 inches distance is good to match the 24-30 inch focal point of 24.5" monitors

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MSI focal point(24-30 inches)

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To summarize, more eye tracking=slower reaction times=you will LOSE on 50/50 situations. 50/50 situations account for 60% of gameplay in almost ANY competitive game. And i'm not talking about "EYE" tracking, but RETINAL TRACKING. . Moving your retina from one end of the screen to the other, if it's slower than your opponent, then your opponent will beat you almost every single time there's a 50/50 shootout.

i can talk about accomodation, Reticular activation system, Field of View, periph, 20/20, myopic, etc it will be too much trldr;rl. I''m a visual learner so here's a photo. The gist of it is this, 24.5" is more comfortable on the eyes and my retinal focal point is crystal clear when i track a moving object. Not only that but because of the size of the monitor, retinal tracking is WAY less compared to a 27" monitor owner. Me personally, when i move my retina from one side to another, it was a ridiculous 50ms-60ms. 50ms in gaming is A LOT OF TIME.

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Why are pixel inversion artifacts a dealbreaker? (Sorry TN users, but unfortunately, this is synonymous with TN technology and AU optronics fast IPS monitors, only difference is, there are workarounds on the fast IPS AOU monitors, but for TN, there is no noticeable fixto pixel inversion artifacts)

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From what I found, the most BUTTERY smooth gameplay that i have ever experienced came down to this.

Where GHOSTING ends but BEFORE overshoot begins.

based off a thousands of IN PRACTICE tests, ANY MONITOR where the response time has the least possible ghosting but never passing the point of no return(where overshoot begins). It came down to 3 monitors. I only CHOSE one monitor, and that is RLCSCOntender's MAIN and i will use this monitor to participate in RLCS season 10 and 11.

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Re: 05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.

Post by iopq » 09 Sep 2020, 12:24

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Re: 05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.

Post by Stevie66 » 09 Sep 2020, 12:49

The aw2521hf was decent, the OD with Freesync on was useless though, all 3 settings looked exactly the same and felt the same, the MSI and LG are much clearer.

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Re: 05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.

Post by speancer » 09 Sep 2020, 15:37

RLCScontender wrote:
09 Sep 2020, 04:07
based off a thousands of IN PRACTICE tests, ANY MONITOR where the response time has the least possible ghosting but never passing the point of no return(where overshoot begins). It came down to 3 monitors. I only CHOSE one monitor, and that is RLCSCOntender's MAIN and i will use this monitor to participate in RLCS season 10 and 11.
Your post is confusing me a little. Your final personal best IPS monitor (in terms of fast competitive play and motion handling), also judging from previous posts, is MSI MAG251RX, yes? The other two best picks would be ASUS VG259QM and Alienware AW2521HFL?
RLCScontender wrote:
05 Sep 2020, 20:07
This is my #1 overall pick and it really is the ultimate gaming monitor. This monitor should be monitor of the year of 2020. The MSI MAG251RX. the MSI is very difficult to get in europe but in the USA, it's not that hard to get but the sellers are jacking up the prices.
There is no problem at all with MAG251RX availability in Poland. I already had one and returned it, my unit had 5 stuck pixels and bluish tint on left side and upper side. My brand-new VG259QM (manufactured in April 2020) also has bluish tint on left side... and Predator XB273 X also had this issue, blush tint on left side. Did you or anyone else here notice anything like that? I have no idea what's up with this, makes me frustrated. I can clearly see bluish tint on the left side of the screen, it makes colours look dimmer and whites/grays look bluish. I thought it was one time issue, but it's my 3rd 240 Hz IPS monitor I see that f***ing bluish tint on. ASUS VG279QM had yellowish/orangish tints here and there, but they were nowhere as distracting as the bluish/dim ones.
Tested displays: ASUS VG259QM (main)Zowie XL2546KASUS VG279QMAlienware AW2521HFLAOmen X 25fZowie XL2546Zowie XL2540KMSI MAG251RXGigabyte M27QPredator XB273XPredator XB271HUAcer XV272UKV

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