05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.

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Re: 05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.

Post by RestTarRr » 10 Aug 2020, 07:08

speancer wrote:
28 Jul 2020, 19:05
Okay, so why do you put XB273 X so low in your rating? Not so long ago you were saying that it was so amazing and you'd re-buy it, that it was at least the second best 240 Hz IPS monitor. Now it's just in the middle of the chart, below several other 240 Hz IPS options...
RLCScontender wrote:
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Isn't it obvious? Because the ratings are heavily influenced by his emotions rather than reality. Not even a week before that he had been raving about how this is the best monitor he has tested and how it was an unfair advantage because of how good it was. Then a dead pixel appears because of misfortune and suddenly we forget that the monitor has rated number 1 in pretty much every category. The only question you should be asking yourself is if you want a 27 inch monitor and if you are willing to pay the extra cash. Because if his previous word is to be taken even remotely seriously then xb273 is easily the best IPS monitor, with the only downside that it's a bit pricier and 27 inches.

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Re: 05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.

Post by IIISLIDEIII » 10 Aug 2020, 08:17

it all depends on the intended use, for competitive fps 25 inches looks perfect, field of view and mouse movement perfect, 27 is a bit big, personally tried the comparison, the speech that many say that it is enough to move away from the monitor to compensate does not exist, the same result is not obtained

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Re: 05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.

Post by Stevie66 » 10 Aug 2020, 12:37

Did anyone test the XB273 X to see if it's as low GTG as that RLSCScontender say? I see no reviews on it yet, and if that chart is accurate then it's extremely impressive even if it can strobe at 120hz max

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Re: 05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.

Post by speancer » 13 Aug 2020, 11:24

Stevie66 wrote:
10 Aug 2020, 12:37
Did anyone test the XB273 X to see if it's as low GTG as that RLSCScontender say? I see no reviews on it yet, and if that chart is accurate then it's extremely impressive even if it can strobe at 120hz max
Seems like there's still not a single test for this monitor online, sadly. I've also been looking forward for some other XB273 X tests to have any comparison. From my personal testing though, this monitor seems to have very good response times and just slight inverse ghosting on "Normal" overdrive.
Main display (TV/PC monitor): LG 42C21LA (4K 120 Hz OLED / WBE panel)
Tested displays: ASUS VG259QM/VG279QM [favourite LCD FPS display] (280 Hz IPS) • Zowie XL2546K/XL2540K/XL2546 (240 Hz TN DyAc) • Dell S3222DGM [favourite LCD display for the best blacks, contrast and panel uniformity] (165 Hz VA) • Dell Alienware AW2521HFLA (240 Hz IPS) • HP Omen X 25f (240 Hz TN) • MSI MAG251RX (240 Hz IPS) • Gigabyte M27Q (170 Hz IPS) • Acer Predator XB273X (240 Hz IPS G-SYNC) • Acer Predator XB271HU (165 Hz IPS G-SYNC) • Acer Nitro XV272UKV (170 Hz IPS) • Acer Nitro XV252QF (390 Hz IPS) • LG 27GN800 (144 Hz IPS) • LG 27GL850 (144 Hz nanoIPS) • LG 27GP850 (180 Hz nanoIPS) • Samsung Odyssey G7 (240 Hz VA)

OS: Windows 11 Pro GPU: Palit GeForce RTX 4090 GameRock OC CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D + be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 + Arctic MX-6 RAM: 32GB (2x16GB dual channel) DDR5 Kingston Fury Beast Black 6000 MHz CL30 (fully optimized primary and secondary timings by Buildzoid for SK Hynix die on AM5 platform) PSU: Corsair RM1200x SHIFT 1200W (ATX 3.0, PCIe 5.0 12VHPWR 600W) SSD1: Kingston KC3000 1TB NVMe PCIe 4.0 x4 SSD2: Corsair Force MP510 960GB PCIe 3.0 x4 MB: ASUS ROG STRIX X670E-A GAMING WIFI (GPU PCIe 5.0 x16, NVMe PCIe 5.0 x4) CASE: be quiet! Silent Base 802 Window White CASE FANS: be quiet! Silent Wings 4 140mm PWM (3x front, 1x rear, 1x top rear, positive pressure) MOUSE: Logitech G PRO X Superlight (white) Lightspeed wireless MOUSEPAD: ARTISAN FX HIEN (wine red, soft, XL) KEYBOARD: Logitech G915 TKL (white, GL Tactile) Lightspeed wireless HEADPHONES: Sennheiser Momentum 4 Wireless (white) 24-bit 96 KHz + Sennheiser BTD600 Bluetooth 5.2 aptX Adaptive CHAIR: Herman Miller Aeron (graphite, fully loaded, size C)

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Re: 05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.

Post by Stevie66 » 13 Aug 2020, 11:34

speancer wrote:
13 Aug 2020, 11:24
Stevie66 wrote:
10 Aug 2020, 12:37
Did anyone test the XB273 X to see if it's as low GTG as that RLSCScontender say? I see no reviews on it yet, and if that chart is accurate then it's extremely impressive even if it can strobe at 120hz max
Seems like there's still not a single test for this monitor online, sadly. I've also been looking forward for some other XB273 X tests to have any comparison. From my personal testing though, this monitor seems to have very good response times and just slight inverse ghosting on "Normal" overdrive.
What about while using the variable overdrive, is the inverse ghosting gone? People were saying the Nitro XV273X is the same monitor or at least panel minus the G-Sync module, not sure how true or accurate that is though but it does score really good on tftcen.

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Re: 05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.

Post by speancer » 13 Aug 2020, 13:48

Stevie66 wrote:
13 Aug 2020, 11:34
What about while using the variable overdrive, is the inverse ghosting gone? People were saying the Nitro XV273X is the same monitor or at least panel minus the G-Sync module, not sure how true or accurate that is though but it does score really good on tftcen.
Variable overdrive is always in use as far as I know, as it's all done by the G-SYNC module integrated in the monitor, so no matter what refresh rate you're currently on (fixed or variable), it gives the best performance it's able to provide. With overdrive disabled, I can see a little bit of ghosting in the Blur Busters UFO Ghosting Test, overdrive "Normal" looks clear, but produces a bit of inverse ghosting (pale halos) mostly visible in brighter transitions, "Extreme" overdrive is, of course, unusable and produces severe overshoot.

Currently I have BenQ Zowie XL2546 and Acer Predator XB273 X, and I can tell you in all certainty, that the amount of overshoot that I can see in the UFO Ghosting Test is definitely smaller on the XB273 X. While playing CS:GO on XB273 X, I'd occasionally spot a small amount of light, pale trail behind an object when moving quickly, while on XL2546 it's more like bluish trail. Unfortunately, I have no gear to capture that and provide pictures or videos, smartphone I have is fairly outdated, it struggles to make a picture that isn't blurred :lol: I was surprised to see pretty visible overshoot on XL2546, a fairly solid amount of inverse ghosting plaguing brighter transitions in the UFO Ghosting Test, as it's said to be top-class TN panel and is the most popular e-sport CS:GO professionals' choice. I would say I don't really see that much overshoot while playing CS:GO on XL2546, however. What's strange though is that I can clearly see overshoot while moving... windows on my desktop, or on static targets in workshop's map like AimBotz (probably due to the fact it's pretty bright there). I'm pretty confused with this Zowie display. I wonder if XL2546 is that weird or I got a defective unit.

Tomorrow I will be laying my hands on MSI Optix MAG251RX, my order is in process, so I'll have a direct comparison for another 240 Hz option. After that I'll probably also order Asus TUF Gaming VG259QM, the 280 Hz monster.
Main display (TV/PC monitor): LG 42C21LA (4K 120 Hz OLED / WBE panel)
Tested displays: ASUS VG259QM/VG279QM [favourite LCD FPS display] (280 Hz IPS) • Zowie XL2546K/XL2540K/XL2546 (240 Hz TN DyAc) • Dell S3222DGM [favourite LCD display for the best blacks, contrast and panel uniformity] (165 Hz VA) • Dell Alienware AW2521HFLA (240 Hz IPS) • HP Omen X 25f (240 Hz TN) • MSI MAG251RX (240 Hz IPS) • Gigabyte M27Q (170 Hz IPS) • Acer Predator XB273X (240 Hz IPS G-SYNC) • Acer Predator XB271HU (165 Hz IPS G-SYNC) • Acer Nitro XV272UKV (170 Hz IPS) • Acer Nitro XV252QF (390 Hz IPS) • LG 27GN800 (144 Hz IPS) • LG 27GL850 (144 Hz nanoIPS) • LG 27GP850 (180 Hz nanoIPS) • Samsung Odyssey G7 (240 Hz VA)

OS: Windows 11 Pro GPU: Palit GeForce RTX 4090 GameRock OC CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D + be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 + Arctic MX-6 RAM: 32GB (2x16GB dual channel) DDR5 Kingston Fury Beast Black 6000 MHz CL30 (fully optimized primary and secondary timings by Buildzoid for SK Hynix die on AM5 platform) PSU: Corsair RM1200x SHIFT 1200W (ATX 3.0, PCIe 5.0 12VHPWR 600W) SSD1: Kingston KC3000 1TB NVMe PCIe 4.0 x4 SSD2: Corsair Force MP510 960GB PCIe 3.0 x4 MB: ASUS ROG STRIX X670E-A GAMING WIFI (GPU PCIe 5.0 x16, NVMe PCIe 5.0 x4) CASE: be quiet! Silent Base 802 Window White CASE FANS: be quiet! Silent Wings 4 140mm PWM (3x front, 1x rear, 1x top rear, positive pressure) MOUSE: Logitech G PRO X Superlight (white) Lightspeed wireless MOUSEPAD: ARTISAN FX HIEN (wine red, soft, XL) KEYBOARD: Logitech G915 TKL (white, GL Tactile) Lightspeed wireless HEADPHONES: Sennheiser Momentum 4 Wireless (white) 24-bit 96 KHz + Sennheiser BTD600 Bluetooth 5.2 aptX Adaptive CHAIR: Herman Miller Aeron (graphite, fully loaded, size C)

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Re: 05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.

Post by Stevie66 » 13 Aug 2020, 13:54

speancer wrote:
13 Aug 2020, 13:48
Stevie66 wrote:
13 Aug 2020, 11:34
What about while using the variable overdrive, is the inverse ghosting gone? People were saying the Nitro XV273X is the same monitor or at least panel minus the G-Sync module, not sure how true or accurate that is though but it does score really good on tftcen.
Variable overdrive is always in use as far as I know, as it's all done by the G-SYNC module integrated in the monitor, so no matter what refresh rate you're currently on (fixed or variable), it gives the best performance it's able to provide. With overdrive disabled, I can see a little bit of ghosting in the Blur Busters UFO Ghosting Test, overdrive "Normal" looks clear, but produces a bit of inverse ghosting (pale halos) mostly visible in brighter transitions, "Extreme" overdrive is, of course, unusable and produces severe overshoot.

Currently I have BenQ Zowie XL2546 and Acer Predator XB273 X, and I can tell you in all certainty, that the amount of overshoot that I can see in the UFO Ghosting Test is definitely smaller on the XB273 X. While playing CS:GO on XB273 X, I'd occasionally spot a small amount of light, pale trail behind an object when moving quickly, while on XL2546 it's more like bluish trail. Unfortunately, I have no gear to capture that and provide pictures or videos, smartphone I have is fairly outdated, it struggles to make a picture that isn't blurred :lol: I was surprised to see pretty visible overshoot on XL2546, a fairly solid amount of inverse ghosting plaguing brighter transitions in the UFO Ghosting Test, as it's said to be top-class TN panel and is the most popular e-sport CS:GO professionals' choice. I would say I don't really see that much overshoot while playing CS:GO on XL2546, however. What's strange though is that I can clearly see overshoot while moving... windows on my desktop, or on static targets in workshop's map like AimBotz (probably due to the fact it's pretty bright there). I'm pretty confused with this Zowie display. I wonder if XL2546 is that weird or I got a defective unit.

Tomorrow I will be laying my hands on MSI Optix MAG251RX, my order is in process, so I'll have a direct comparison for another 240 Hz option. After that I'll probably also order Asus TUF Gaming VG259QM, the 280 Hz monster.
I'm pretty sure variable overdrive only works with VRR(G-Sync on) with fixed/G-Sync off you have the 3 options and that's it.
I'm still torn on the XB273 X or MAG251RX, heard the Acer works best at normal OD across all hz and the MSI on fast. Might just buy both and test what I like more, even though 25"/1080p is superior I prefer the larger 27" and also G-Sync module, also I think the Acer is 3 year warranty and MSI is 2 year.

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Re: 05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.

Post by speancer » 13 Aug 2020, 14:08

Stevie66 wrote:
13 Aug 2020, 13:54
I'm pretty sure variable overdrive only works with VRR(G-Sync on) with fixed/G-Sync off you have the 3 options and that's it.
I'm still torn on the XB273 X or MAG251RX, heard the Acer works best at normal OD across all hz and the MSI on fast. Might just buy both and test what I like more, even though 25"/1080p is superior I prefer the larger 27" and also G-Sync module, also I think the Acer is 3 year warranty and MSI is 2 year.
Both XB273 X and MAG251RX have 2 years warranty, at least in my local stores. About variable overdrive, it's best if we ask about that in G-SYNC forum section to see who's right, I am not 100% sure :) And yeah, I also struggle to choose between the XB273 X, MAG251RX and VG259QM/VG279QM, so I'm just buying and testing them personally. That's the only way one can be sure to make the right choice, if you ask me. When I see how all of them perform, I'll make my choice then.
Main display (TV/PC monitor): LG 42C21LA (4K 120 Hz OLED / WBE panel)
Tested displays: ASUS VG259QM/VG279QM [favourite LCD FPS display] (280 Hz IPS) • Zowie XL2546K/XL2540K/XL2546 (240 Hz TN DyAc) • Dell S3222DGM [favourite LCD display for the best blacks, contrast and panel uniformity] (165 Hz VA) • Dell Alienware AW2521HFLA (240 Hz IPS) • HP Omen X 25f (240 Hz TN) • MSI MAG251RX (240 Hz IPS) • Gigabyte M27Q (170 Hz IPS) • Acer Predator XB273X (240 Hz IPS G-SYNC) • Acer Predator XB271HU (165 Hz IPS G-SYNC) • Acer Nitro XV272UKV (170 Hz IPS) • Acer Nitro XV252QF (390 Hz IPS) • LG 27GN800 (144 Hz IPS) • LG 27GL850 (144 Hz nanoIPS) • LG 27GP850 (180 Hz nanoIPS) • Samsung Odyssey G7 (240 Hz VA)

OS: Windows 11 Pro GPU: Palit GeForce RTX 4090 GameRock OC CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D + be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 + Arctic MX-6 RAM: 32GB (2x16GB dual channel) DDR5 Kingston Fury Beast Black 6000 MHz CL30 (fully optimized primary and secondary timings by Buildzoid for SK Hynix die on AM5 platform) PSU: Corsair RM1200x SHIFT 1200W (ATX 3.0, PCIe 5.0 12VHPWR 600W) SSD1: Kingston KC3000 1TB NVMe PCIe 4.0 x4 SSD2: Corsair Force MP510 960GB PCIe 3.0 x4 MB: ASUS ROG STRIX X670E-A GAMING WIFI (GPU PCIe 5.0 x16, NVMe PCIe 5.0 x4) CASE: be quiet! Silent Base 802 Window White CASE FANS: be quiet! Silent Wings 4 140mm PWM (3x front, 1x rear, 1x top rear, positive pressure) MOUSE: Logitech G PRO X Superlight (white) Lightspeed wireless MOUSEPAD: ARTISAN FX HIEN (wine red, soft, XL) KEYBOARD: Logitech G915 TKL (white, GL Tactile) Lightspeed wireless HEADPHONES: Sennheiser Momentum 4 Wireless (white) 24-bit 96 KHz + Sennheiser BTD600 Bluetooth 5.2 aptX Adaptive CHAIR: Herman Miller Aeron (graphite, fully loaded, size C)

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Re: 05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.

Post by Stevie66 » 13 Aug 2020, 14:14

speancer wrote:
13 Aug 2020, 14:08
Stevie66 wrote:
13 Aug 2020, 13:54
I'm pretty sure variable overdrive only works with VRR(G-Sync on) with fixed/G-Sync off you have the 3 options and that's it.
I'm still torn on the XB273 X or MAG251RX, heard the Acer works best at normal OD across all hz and the MSI on fast. Might just buy both and test what I like more, even though 25"/1080p is superior I prefer the larger 27" and also G-Sync module, also I think the Acer is 3 year warranty and MSI is 2 year.
Both XB273 X and MAG251RX have 2 years warranty, at least in my local stores. About variable overdrive, it's best if we ask about that in G-SYNC forum section to see who's right, I am not 100% sure :) And yeah, I also struggle to choose between the XB273 X, MAG251RX and VG259QM/VG279QM, so I'm just buying and testing them personally. That's the only way one can be sure to make the right choice, if you ask me. When I see how all of them perform, I'll make my choice then.
If there was a 4th OD setting for variable OD then it would work without G-Sync but seeing how there's 3, I don't see how variable overdrive would work when you always have 1 of the 3 options selected, with G-Sync on variable overdrive just works. Acers website shows 3 years, at least for North America.

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Re: 05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.

Post by predator9222 » 13 Aug 2020, 18:28

RLCScontender wrote:
08 Aug 2020, 11:29
predator9222 wrote:
07 Aug 2020, 20:32
Hello, I just wanted to add that the panel used in a Alienware aw2521hf is M250HAN01.7 not M250HAN01.3
source? I need direct evidence backing this up. Every thiing points in the direction of m250han01.3

contrast ratios(1200:1)
response times(lower mid 3ms)
the non-native pc resolution

only difference is, the battery is internal and doesn't require external brick for the alienware 24.5" model
Hello, I thought the same, but I disassembled the monitor and it says M250HAN01.7
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