05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.

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Re: 05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.

Post by RLCSContender* » 11 Sep 2020, 08:02

weird, all of the 24.5" monitors have a black matte coating(even the alienware HFL(the white one). At least the ones i purchased.

That grainy look is usually more of a function of the 27" monitors because all of them are about 80 ppi(outside of the 1440p 27" panels). generally speaking, if i see a grainy monitor, i just sit back a few inches. 1080p 27", i sit 40-44 inches away from my monitorn. 1080p 24.5" i sit 24 inches away when i browse the internet, but i sot 28-30 inches away if i play video games. That is fairly close, but anything further, i lose accuracy and precision.

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Re: 05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.

Post by Stevie66 » 18 Sep 2020, 11:32

I guess I'm at the end of my journey for now, I like the Asus VG259qm the most, OD120 is nice and clear as the LG, pretty similar to the MSI on the Fastest, better than the Alienware, the BFI on the Asus is so bright and nice, though I'm not sure if the MSI(I think was a bit nicer on the ufo at 144 vs the Asus, maybe 240hz too?) was better but it sure was darker, but at 240 and 280 fps nothing it distracting, playing at 280hz looked the best to me. Still need to calibrate it with my tool but out of the box it's similar to the MSI, good enough for gaming. Only negative is the 60hz input lag, but I'll use my other monitor for 60hz locked games.
Has a few dead pixels though so it's going back and getting another. Hope it has no BLB like this current one, it's literally perfect.

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Re: 05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.

Post by jimbus80 » 18 Sep 2020, 15:21

Stevie66 wrote:
18 Sep 2020, 11:32
I guess I'm at the end of my journey for now, I like the Asus VG259qm the most, OD120 is nice and clear as the LG, pretty similar to the MSI on the Fastest, better than the Alienware, the BFI on the Asus is so bright and nice, though I'm not sure if the MSI(I think was a bit nicer on the ufo at 144 vs the Asus, maybe 240hz too?) was better but it sure was darker, but at 240 and 280 fps nothing it distracting, playing at 280hz looked the best to me. Still need to calibrate it with my tool but out of the box it's similar to the MSI, good enough for gaming. Only negative is the 60hz input lag, but I'll use my other monitor for 60hz locked games.
Has a few dead pixels though so it's going back and getting another. Hope it has no BLB like this current one, it's literally perfect.
Sure, when playing at constant 240/280 fps, but that means you only play CSGO or other old or not graphically impressive games, or you have an incredibly powerful PC. For the rest of the gamers, you better get a monitor with good variable overdrive (less noticeable stuttering, or not at all, when the fps oscillate) and, unless you wanna go for a Gsync monitor, there are monitors much better than the VG259qm in this regard, like the AW2521HF or the MAG251RX (27" 1080p are not an option, unless you want to see the dots because of their low ppi).

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Re: 05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.

Post by Stevie66 » 18 Sep 2020, 16:02

jimbus80 wrote:
18 Sep 2020, 15:21
Stevie66 wrote:
18 Sep 2020, 11:32
I guess I'm at the end of my journey for now, I like the Asus VG259qm the most, OD120 is nice and clear as the LG, pretty similar to the MSI on the Fastest, better than the Alienware, the BFI on the Asus is so bright and nice, though I'm not sure if the MSI(I think was a bit nicer on the ufo at 144 vs the Asus, maybe 240hz too?) was better but it sure was darker, but at 240 and 280 fps nothing it distracting, playing at 280hz looked the best to me. Still need to calibrate it with my tool but out of the box it's similar to the MSI, good enough for gaming. Only negative is the 60hz input lag, but I'll use my other monitor for 60hz locked games.
Has a few dead pixels though so it's going back and getting another. Hope it has no BLB like this current one, it's literally perfect.
Sure, when playing at constant 240/280 fps, but that means you only play CSGO or other old or not graphically impressive games, or you have an incredibly powerful PC. For the rest of the gamers, you better get a monitor with good variable overdrive (less noticeable stuttering, or not at all, when the fps oscillate) and, unless you wanna go for a Gsync monitor, there are monitors much better than the VG259qm in this regard, like the AW2521HF or the MAG251RX (27" 1080p are not an option, unless you want to see the dots because of their low ppi).
Yes I know I said that, and I don't play every game at max settings, but my PC is good enough that I get around 300 frames in games like Modern Warfare.
The Alienware was the worst of these 3 but still fine, the MSI was good, Fast was good for everything, the Asus at 60 looks pretty much the same from 120 or so to 280 fps(if you're dropping to 120 you better lower your settings or just stick with a 144hz monitor lol), the Alienware only had 1 good OD and with VRR all 3 overdrives looked the same(worse than the other 2 monitors), so it definitely wasn't doing something behind the scenes like a real GSync monitor with its VRR.
But yeah if your frames are all over the place get a monitor with a GSync module or one that's good at all fps, but the Asus at 60 does the job, MSI at Fast does too, and even the Alienware one good OD.

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Re: 05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.

Post by axaro1 » 18 Sep 2020, 16:06

Stevie66 wrote:
18 Sep 2020, 11:32
I guess I'm at the end of my journey for now, I like the Asus VG259qm the most, OD120 is nice and clear as the LG, pretty similar to the MSI on the Fastest, better than the Alienware, the BFI on the Asus is so bright and nice, though I'm not sure if the MSI(I think was a bit nicer on the ufo at 144 vs the Asus, maybe 240hz too?) was better but it sure was darker, but at 240 and 280 fps nothing it distracting, playing at 280hz looked the best to me. Still need to calibrate it with my tool but out of the box it's similar to the MSI, good enough for gaming. Only negative is the 60hz input lag, but I'll use my other monitor for 60hz locked games.
Has a few dead pixels though so it's going back and getting another. Hope it has no BLB like this current one, it's literally perfect.
Unfortunately this monitor suffers from high input lag at 60hz, wether you use it natively at this refresh rate or with Freesync at this refresh rate, I've never tried plugging a console since I strictly play with my computer.
I don't know if this increase in input lag scales linearly from 280hz down to 200-144-60hz (Since it has never been tested at intermediate refreshes) but I've never felt the necessity to use Adaptive Sync at all when setting the refresh rate to 280hz, even when I average 200fps in more demanding games like Apex (I generally get 320fps on R6 and 270fps with OW ).
I do notice tearing at 240hz with no Adaptive Sync but it's much harder to see it at 280hz even tho we are talking about just a +15% increase in refresh rate.
If we are strictly speaking about getting the best competitive experience I seriously doubt that other monitors can do better than the VG259QM but if we take out of the box color accuracy,VRR and HDR behaviour into the equation then the MSI definitely offers an all around better experience.
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Re: 05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.

Post by speancer » 18 Sep 2020, 16:10

jimbus80 wrote:
18 Sep 2020, 15:21
For the rest of the gamers, you better get a monitor with good variable overdrive (less noticeable stuttering, or not at all, when the fps oscillate) and, unless you wanna go for a Gsync monitor, there are monitors much better than the VG259qm in this regard, like the AW2521HF or the MAG251RX (27" 1080p are not an option, unless you want to see the dots because of their low ppi).
Overdrive has literally nothing to do with stuttering, at all. Overdrive controls voltage in LCD crystals, which is responsible for response times directly, so it impacts motion clarity (better response time helps with blur reduction) and picture quality (visibility of overshoot due to too high voltage if overdrive is pushed too far, for example). Also, pixel density being good or bad on 27" 1080p display is strictly subjective, some people don't like it, some don't care and are perfectly fine with it. It also depends on the distance between your eyes and the monitor, of course. Bigger monitor can be pushed further away for optimal vision, so lower pixel density is not necessarily a problem.

About stuttering, variable refresh rate technologies are responsible for reducing it. Variable overdrive has nothing to do with stuttering, variable overdrive just dynamically adjusts overdrive to always deliver the best performance (voltage balance between response times and overshoot artifacts) throughout the variable refresh rate range. Hardware G-SYNC is technically the best, sure, but G-SYNC Compatible in most cases is lightly enough, if you ask me.

Also, such super high refresh rate monitors are rather intended to be used for fast competitive gaming, such as CS:GO.
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Tested displays: ASUS VG259QM/VG279QM [favourite LCD FPS display] (280 Hz IPS) • Zowie XL2546K/XL2540K/XL2546 (240 Hz TN DyAc) • Dell S3222DGM [favourite LCD display for the best blacks, contrast and panel uniformity] (165 Hz VA) • Dell Alienware AW2521HFLA (240 Hz IPS) • HP Omen X 25f (240 Hz TN) • MSI MAG251RX (240 Hz IPS) • Gigabyte M27Q (170 Hz IPS) • Acer Predator XB273X (240 Hz IPS G-SYNC) • Acer Predator XB271HU (165 Hz IPS G-SYNC) • Acer Nitro XV272UKV (170 Hz IPS) • Acer Nitro XV252QF (390 Hz IPS) • LG 27GN800 (144 Hz IPS) • LG 27GL850 (144 Hz nanoIPS) • LG 27GP850 (180 Hz nanoIPS) • Samsung Odyssey G7 (240 Hz VA)

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Re: 05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.

Post by Stevie66 » 18 Sep 2020, 16:15

axaro1 wrote:
18 Sep 2020, 16:06
Stevie66 wrote:
18 Sep 2020, 11:32
I guess I'm at the end of my journey for now, I like the Asus VG259qm the most, OD120 is nice and clear as the LG, pretty similar to the MSI on the Fastest, better than the Alienware, the BFI on the Asus is so bright and nice, though I'm not sure if the MSI(I think was a bit nicer on the ufo at 144 vs the Asus, maybe 240hz too?) was better but it sure was darker, but at 240 and 280 fps nothing it distracting, playing at 280hz looked the best to me. Still need to calibrate it with my tool but out of the box it's similar to the MSI, good enough for gaming. Only negative is the 60hz input lag, but I'll use my other monitor for 60hz locked games.
Has a few dead pixels though so it's going back and getting another. Hope it has no BLB like this current one, it's literally perfect.
Unfortunately this monitor suffers from high input lag at 60hz, wether you use it natively at this refresh rate or with Freesync at this refresh rate, I've never tried plugging a console since I strictly play with my computer.
I don't know if this increase in input lag scales linearly from 280hz down to 200-144-60hz (Since it has never been tested at intermediate refreshes) but I've never felt the necessity to use Adaptive Sync at all when setting the refresh rate to 280hz, even when I average 200fps in more demanding games like Apex (I generally get 320fps on R6 and 270fps with OW ).
I do notice tearing at 240hz with no Adaptive Sync but it's much harder to see it at 280hz even tho we are talking about just a +15% increase in refresh rate.
Yeah the 60hz input lag is the only con for me, I think Hardware Unboxed mentioned lag at lower fps, but sure if they specifically meant the 60hz or linear like you mentioned with Freesync on but either way if your fps is going that low you're hopefully not playing a competitive game. The speakers suck but hey who uses those heh. But I'll just use my secondary monitor for console and PC fighting games. I can notice tearing too but I have to look for it and focus on it, so it's so minimal to me that it will never distract me in a game. Only time I use Freesync is single player games if the fps is all over the place and I want to crank the graphics to max.

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Re: 05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.

Post by speancer » 18 Sep 2020, 16:24

axaro1 wrote:
18 Sep 2020, 16:06
Unfortunately this monitor suffers from high input lag at 60hz, wether you use it natively at this refresh rate or with Freesync at this refresh rate, I've never tried plugging a console since I strictly play with my computer.
I don't know if this increase in input lag scales linearly from 280hz down to 200-144-60hz (Since it has never been tested at intermediate refreshes) but I've never felt the necessity to use Adaptive Sync at all when setting the refresh rate to 280hz, even when I average 200fps in more demanding games like Apex (I generally get 320fps on R6 and 270fps with OW ).
I do notice tearing at 240hz with no Adaptive Sync but it's much harder to see it at 280hz even tho we are talking about just a +15% increase in refresh rate.
If we are strictly speaking about getting the best competitive experience I seriously doubt that other monitors can do better than the VG259QM but if we take out of the box color accuracy,VRR and HDR behaviour into the equation then the MSI definitely offers an all around better experience.
Just to clarify, you do know that high 60 Hz lag only applies to fixed 60 Hz and fixed 60 Hz VRR, right?

If you set VG259QM to 280 Hz, enable VRR, and you only have 60 fps, high input lag does not occur.

It's not the best monitor for locked 60 Hz gaming, if competitive, like fighting games. For single player games at locked 60 Hz I don't really care. I play Sekiro quite often, it's locked on 60 Hz, it requires fast reactions, I have no trouble at all.
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Tested displays: ASUS VG259QM/VG279QM [favourite LCD FPS display] (280 Hz IPS) • Zowie XL2546K/XL2540K/XL2546 (240 Hz TN DyAc) • Dell S3222DGM [favourite LCD display for the best blacks, contrast and panel uniformity] (165 Hz VA) • Dell Alienware AW2521HFLA (240 Hz IPS) • HP Omen X 25f (240 Hz TN) • MSI MAG251RX (240 Hz IPS) • Gigabyte M27Q (170 Hz IPS) • Acer Predator XB273X (240 Hz IPS G-SYNC) • Acer Predator XB271HU (165 Hz IPS G-SYNC) • Acer Nitro XV272UKV (170 Hz IPS) • Acer Nitro XV252QF (390 Hz IPS) • LG 27GN800 (144 Hz IPS) • LG 27GL850 (144 Hz nanoIPS) • LG 27GP850 (180 Hz nanoIPS) • Samsung Odyssey G7 (240 Hz VA)

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Re: 05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.

Post by Stevie66 » 18 Sep 2020, 16:27

speancer wrote:
18 Sep 2020, 16:24
axaro1 wrote:
18 Sep 2020, 16:06
Unfortunately this monitor suffers from high input lag at 60hz, wether you use it natively at this refresh rate or with Freesync at this refresh rate, I've never tried plugging a console since I strictly play with my computer.
I don't know if this increase in input lag scales linearly from 280hz down to 200-144-60hz (Since it has never been tested at intermediate refreshes) but I've never felt the necessity to use Adaptive Sync at all when setting the refresh rate to 280hz, even when I average 200fps in more demanding games like Apex (I generally get 320fps on R6 and 270fps with OW ).
I do notice tearing at 240hz with no Adaptive Sync but it's much harder to see it at 280hz even tho we are talking about just a +15% increase in refresh rate.
If we are strictly speaking about getting the best competitive experience I seriously doubt that other monitors can do better than the VG259QM but if we take out of the box color accuracy,VRR and HDR behaviour into the equation then the MSI definitely offers an all around better experience.
Just to clarify, you do know that high 60 Hz lag only applies to fixed 60 Hz and fixed 60 Hz VRR, right?

If you set VG259QM to 280 Hz, enable VRR, and you only have 60 fps, high input lag does not occur. Then yes, it's not the best monitor for locked 60 Hz gaming, if competitive, like fighting games.
Really? Isn't the purpose of VRR being a variable refresh rate so if you're at 60 fps you're at 60hz because of VRR on? Only the 280hz is to set your max hz?

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Re: 05/22/2020 UPDATE. The IPS 240hz monitor tier list.(I've measured/tried the all) and my honest explanation why.

Post by speancer » 18 Sep 2020, 16:33

Stevie66 wrote:
18 Sep 2020, 16:27
speancer wrote:
18 Sep 2020, 16:24
axaro1 wrote:
18 Sep 2020, 16:06
Unfortunately this monitor suffers from high input lag at 60hz, wether you use it natively at this refresh rate or with Freesync at this refresh rate, I've never tried plugging a console since I strictly play with my computer.
I don't know if this increase in input lag scales linearly from 280hz down to 200-144-60hz (Since it has never been tested at intermediate refreshes) but I've never felt the necessity to use Adaptive Sync at all when setting the refresh rate to 280hz, even when I average 200fps in more demanding games like Apex (I generally get 320fps on R6 and 270fps with OW ).
I do notice tearing at 240hz with no Adaptive Sync but it's much harder to see it at 280hz even tho we are talking about just a +15% increase in refresh rate.
If we are strictly speaking about getting the best competitive experience I seriously doubt that other monitors can do better than the VG259QM but if we take out of the box color accuracy,VRR and HDR behaviour into the equation then the MSI definitely offers an all around better experience.
Just to clarify, you do know that high 60 Hz lag only applies to fixed 60 Hz and fixed 60 Hz VRR, right?

If you set VG259QM to 280 Hz, enable VRR, and you only have 60 fps, high input lag does not occur. Then yes, it's not the best monitor for locked 60 Hz gaming, if competitive, like fighting games.
Really? Isn't the purpose of VRR being a variable refresh rate so if you're at 60 fps you're at 60hz because of VRR on? Only the 280hz is to set your max hz?
You don't understand what I said, I think. Let me try again :P

Yes, VRR adjusts refresh rate to frame rate, however the high input lag on 60 Hz on VG259QM only happens when you play a game that is locked on 60 Hz or if you change refresh rate to fixed 60 Hz manually. If there is no refresh rate limitation and you leave it at 240/280 Hz, then 60 fps in VRR does not add that extra lag you'd get on fixed/locked 60 Hz.
Main display (TV/PC monitor): LG 42C21LA (4K 120 Hz OLED / WBE panel)
Tested displays: ASUS VG259QM/VG279QM [favourite LCD FPS display] (280 Hz IPS) • Zowie XL2546K/XL2540K/XL2546 (240 Hz TN DyAc) • Dell S3222DGM [favourite LCD display for the best blacks, contrast and panel uniformity] (165 Hz VA) • Dell Alienware AW2521HFLA (240 Hz IPS) • HP Omen X 25f (240 Hz TN) • MSI MAG251RX (240 Hz IPS) • Gigabyte M27Q (170 Hz IPS) • Acer Predator XB273X (240 Hz IPS G-SYNC) • Acer Predator XB271HU (165 Hz IPS G-SYNC) • Acer Nitro XV272UKV (170 Hz IPS) • Acer Nitro XV252QF (390 Hz IPS) • LG 27GN800 (144 Hz IPS) • LG 27GL850 (144 Hz nanoIPS) • LG 27GP850 (180 Hz nanoIPS) • Samsung Odyssey G7 (240 Hz VA)

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