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Re: The best monitors with least blur/best response times

Post by RLCSContender* » 15 Jun 2020, 22:56

speancer wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 20:53
logicio wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 12:09
ive literally sat at my computer for days straight. DAYS. trying to figure out the best monitor.
So ill explain what ive come down to.

mag252rx
VG259QM
xl2546s

TLDR;
Im looking for the best TN Panels out there that are said to just beat out the MAG252rx and the VG259qm. I would get the Benq 2546s but its 500$ and hard to even find. Is there any 300-400$ monitors out there that even beat the MAG or the VG? Where are these "Best" TN panles at? I cannot find them. Thanks. @Chief Blur Buster maybe help us peasants
I've had ASUS TUF VG279QM, the bigger version of the VG259QM, it's a great monitor when it comes to response times for an IPS panel type. ASUS has done a good job with their fastIPS panels. At 240 Hz and overdrive 80, this thing reaches an average of 3.55 ms GtG with practically no overshoot at all. Average error is about 1.4%, which is nothing. That's absolutely amazing performance for an IPS-type panel. It's one of the very few IPS displays that can compete with top TNs right now. That, and you also get much better colours and very wide viewing angles that IPS offers, in opposite to TN, which is known for its washed out colours and very poor viewing angles. Gaming with 280 Hz overclock was also pretty cool, although the difference is marginal, in my opinion. At 280 Hz and overdrive 80, VG279QM reaches an average of 3.82 ms GtG, which is - in theory - already a little bit too slow for 280 Hz, because the refresh window at 280 Hz is only 3.57ms, while for 240 Hz it's 4.17 ms. In practice, however, it was totally fine, as the overshoot is extremely low at less than 1% average error, and at 280 Hz you still get more than 70% of pixel transitions within the refresh rate window if we add +1ms, so it's good enough. I could play CS:GO without issues at 280 Hz + overdrive 80.

MSI MAG251RX is a little bit faster then the VG259QM, averaging at 3.21ms GtG with overdrive "Faster", BUT is has way more overshoot. Average error is low at 3.3%, however the worst errors are as high as 37%, so you might occasionally spot some light trails behind moving objects while gaming. What's more, MAG251RX has terrible ergonomy comparing to the VG259QM. It only has height adjustment, you cannot adjust anything but height, while the ASUS has height, swivel and pivot adjustments in a good range.

BenQ Zowie XL2546S is a heavily overpriced display, in my opinion. Sure, the Zowie line is said to be the best in terms of performance and most professional FPS players use Zowie XL series monitors, but for me personally, TN panels are unacceptable, with horrible, washed out colours and very poor viewing angles. I've had BenQ Zowie XL2546 and I could not stand it. I really love IPS image quality and viewing angles. If you care only about the best performance, XL2546S is said to be able to reach pixel transitions as fast as in 0.5ms, and its predecessor - XL2546 - is the most used display on e-sport professional FPS scene, so for solely performance purposes, I'd give it a try.

From these options I'd personally go with the ASUS TUF VG259QM/VG279QM.
Umm what? The vg279qm/vg259qm is faster than any TN if u oveclock it at 280hz.

G2G matter if there are two monitors of the same refresh rate and the monitor with the faster response time will have less assymetrical blur. But at 240hz, the symmetrical blur or mprt is already good enough as it is and assymetrical blur like inverse ghosting coronas or ghosting from undershoot(smearing) is harder to see. Basically, the dogmatic common understanding of Response times arent nearly as important at 240hz compared to 144hz

The motion blur the vg259qm/vg259qm cannot be beaten either bcuz of elmb sync at 280hz.

TN is still king from 240hz and below though and most esports games have an fps cap. Then again, ive owned the omen x 27 and the msi mag251rx and i didnt see any noticeable difference in motion blur or performance.

Maybe a slower fast ips i can but then again everyone is different. Some have better perception than others

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Re: The best monitors with least blur/best response times

Post by Pazos » 16 Jun 2020, 01:56

speancer wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 20:53
logicio wrote:
15 Jun 2020, 12:09
ive literally sat at my computer for days straight. DAYS. trying to figure out the best monitor.
So ill explain what ive come down to.

mag252rx
VG259QM
xl2546s

TLDR;
Im looking for the best TN Panels out there that are said to just beat out the MAG252rx and the VG259qm. I would get the Benq 2546s but its 500$ and hard to even find. Is there any 300-400$ monitors out there that even beat the MAG or the VG? Where are these "Best" TN panles at? I cannot find them. Thanks. @Chief Blur Buster maybe help us peasants
I've had ASUS TUF VG279QM, the bigger version of the VG259QM, it's a great monitor when it comes to response times for an IPS panel type. ASUS has done a good job with their fastIPS panels. At 240 Hz and overdrive 80, this thing reaches an average of 3.55 ms GtG with practically no overshoot at all. Average error is about 1.4%, which is nothing. That's absolutely amazing performance for an IPS-type panel. It's one of the very few IPS displays that can compete with top TNs right now. That, and you also get much better colours and very wide viewing angles that IPS offers, in opposite to TN, which is known for its washed out colours and very poor viewing angles. Gaming with 280 Hz overclock was also pretty cool, although the difference is marginal, in my opinion. At 280 Hz and overdrive 80, VG279QM reaches an average of 3.82 ms GtG, which is - in theory - already a little bit too slow for 280 Hz, because the refresh window at 280 Hz is only 3.57ms, while for 240 Hz it's 4.17 ms. In practice, however, it was totally fine, as the overshoot is extremely low at less than 1% average error, and at 280 Hz you still get more than 70% of pixel transitions within the refresh rate window if we add +1ms, so it's good enough. I could play CS:GO without issues at 280 Hz + overdrive 80.

MSI MAG251RX is a little bit faster then the VG259QM, averaging at 3.21ms GtG with overdrive "Faster", BUT is has way more overshoot. Average error is low at 3.3%, however the worst errors are as high as 37%, so you might occasionally spot some light trails behind moving objects while gaming. What's more, MAG251RX has terrible ergonomy comparing to the VG259QM. It only has height adjustment, you cannot adjust anything but height, while the ASUS has height, swivel and pivot adjustments in a good range.

BenQ Zowie XL2546S is a heavily overpriced display, in my opinion. Sure, the Zowie line is said to be the best in terms of performance and most professional FPS players use Zowie XL series monitors, but for me personally, TN panels are unacceptable, with horrible, washed out colours and very poor viewing angles. I've had BenQ Zowie XL2546 and I could not stand it. I really love IPS image quality and viewing angles. If you zowie care only about the best performance, XL2546S is said to be able to reach pixel transitions as fast as in 0.5ms, and its predecessor - XL2546 - is the most used display on e-sport professional FPS scene, so for solely hardperformance purposes, I'd give it a try.

From these options I'd personally go with the ASUS TUF VG259QM/VG279QM.
Why couldn't you stand the zowie? How is the difference between the zowie and vg279qm in terms of motion clarity?

I'm in the market for a 25 inch with 240 hz

the 2546s is my favourite but not sure if like dyac or not and at the moment I can't find one for buying

I could get a vg259qm or a dell Aw2521

For only competitive gaming do you think the ips can keep up against a tn?

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Re: The best monitors with least blur/best response times

Post by RLCSContender* » 16 Jun 2020, 02:27

Pazos wrote:
16 Jun 2020, 01:56

For only competitive gaming do you think the ips can keep up against a tn?
depends what framerate. If the framerate is above 240hz, then TN cannot keep up with the 280hz asus monitors.
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Re: The best monitors with least blur/best response times

Post by speancer » 16 Jun 2020, 02:27

Pazos wrote:
16 Jun 2020, 01:56
Why couldn't you stand the zowie? How is the difference between the zowie and vg279qm in terms of motion clarity?

I'm in the market for a 25 inch with 240 hz

the 2546s is my favourite but not sure if like dyac or not and at the moment I can't find one for buying

I could get a vg259qm or a dell Aw2521

For only competitive gaming do you think the ips can keep up against a tn?
I explained it in my post you quoted :) I could not stand XL2456 because it's TN panel, so - typically for TN - it has washed out colours and horrible viewing angles, and I need more versatile display for every day use. I am very used to IPS panels, which offer great colour reproduction and accuracy, as well as wide viewing angles, so switching to TN was painful.

In my opinion, motion clarity is excellent on both of these monitors. I could tell the difference in motion clarity between my Acer Predator XB271HU and VG279QM/XL2546, although it's rather subtle, just clearer by a noticeable margin.

DyAc is quite subjective. I've played CS:GO for years, and for me personally, DyAc did not matter too much, because I focus on my crosshair while aiming/tracking my target, so I wouldn't normally really notice DyAc working, because I don't look at my surroundings, I'm just crosshair focused. That's subjective and could be game specific. Some other people say DyAc makes a big difference to them, so it's probably best to try it for yourself, however I did not really see anyone saying it makes a significant difference in CS:GO specifically. Some reviewers who play Apex Legends or Overwatch claimed that they loved how DyAc worked for them in these games.

And yes, these super fast new fastIPS panel types are actually fast enough for competitive gaming, in my honest opinion. ASUS TUF VG259QM/VG279QM is a great monitor, fast enough for competitive FPS. You can't go wrong with it. For the absolutely best performance I would follow e-sport FPS scene guidance and choose XL2546S, but unless you're competing at high levels, you'll be more than fine with the ASUS offerings.
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Re: The best monitors with least blur/best response times

Post by pox02 » 16 Jun 2020, 02:29

I will aim on variable overdrive monitor like aw2521hfl
monitors xg258q aw2518hf 27GK750F-B pg248q xg240r lg w2363d-pf xb270hu XL2546 XL2546K NXG252R

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Re: The best monitors with least blur/best response times

Post by Pazos » 16 Jun 2020, 03:26

speancer wrote:
16 Jun 2020, 02:27
Pazos wrote:
16 Jun 2020, 01:56
Why couldn't you stand the zowie? How is the difference between the zowie and vg279qm in terms of motion clarity?

I'm in the market for a 25 inch with 240 hz

the 2546s is my favourite but not sure if like dyac or not and at the moment I can't find one for buying

I could get a vg259qm or a dell Aw2521

For only competitive gaming do you think the ips can keep up against a tn?
I explained it in my post you quoted :) I could not stand XL2456 because it's TN panel, so - typically for TN - it has washed out colours and horrible viewing angles, and I need more versatile display for every day use. I am very used to IPS panels, which offer great colour reproduction and accuracy, as well as wide viewing angles, so switching to TN was painful.

In my opinion, motion clarity is excellent on both of these monitors. I could tell the difference in motion clarity between my Acer Predator XB271HU and VG279QM/XL2546, although it's rather subtle, just clearer by a noticeable margin.

DyAc is quite subjective. I've played CS:GO for years, and for me personally, DyAc did not matter too much, because I focus on my crosshair while aiming/tracking my target, so I wouldn't normally really notice DyAc working, because I don't look at my surroundings, I'm just crosshair focused. That's subjective and could be game specific. Some other people say DyAc makes a big difference to them, so it's probably best to try it for yourself, however I did not really see anyone saying it makes a significant difference in CS:GO specifically. Some reviewers who play Apex Legends or Overwatch claimed that they loved how DyAc worked for them in these games.

And yes, these super fast new fastIPS panel types are actually fast enough for competitive gaming, in my honest opinion. ASUS TUF VG259QM/VG279QM is a great monitor, fast enough for competitive FPS. You can't go wrong with it. For the absolutely best performance I would follow e-sport FPS scene guidance and choose XL2546S, but unless you're competing at high levels, you'll be more than fine with the ASUS offerings.
Thx a lot i decided to go with the vg259qm but as I wanted to pull the trigger it was already sold out :x

But the good thing is I can preordered one for a much cheaper price (almost half the price of what a zowie would cost)

I saw a video from the vg259qm with strobing on 240 hz and it looks really good

I only play csgo or valorant and I always have higher fps than 240 hz (rtx2080 / ryzen 5 3600 @ 4.2 GHz)

So now I'm waiting for the monitor to arrive should arrive in 2-3 weeks

I will report if I'm happy with it

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Re: The best monitors with least blur/best response times

Post by amezibra » 16 Jun 2020, 08:03

here is ufo test video of my XL2746S if that can help some choose :

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Re: The best monitors with least blur/best response times

Post by kofman13 » 16 Jun 2020, 08:55

i been playing more of a mix of casual exploration games as well as my usual apex legends/overwatch, do you think a real G sync monitor like predator acer XB273 x would be helpful for games of all different frame rates?

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Re: The best monitors with least blur/best response times

Post by RLCSContender* » 16 Jun 2020, 09:29

Amezibra i see slight crosstalk artefacts in that strobing ufo test.. how much input lag does it give if u turn strobing on? That strobing looks fairly good and the trade off of more input lag and crosstalk is worth it

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Re: The best monitors with least blur/best response times

Post by phixion » 16 Jun 2020, 10:43

Before dismissing TN (as I did in the past), check out the new TN panel monitors, they are vastly superior to older TN panels.

You have to decide between IPS (and it's inherent issues) vs TN (and it's inherent issues). Just know that the newer TN panels are way better than the old ones.
Acer Predator XN253QX 240Hz G-Sync

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