Official Asus ROG Swift 360Hz PG259QN Owners Thread

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Re: Official Asus ROG Swift 360Hz PG259QN Owners Thread

Post by Alpha » 07 Nov 2020, 15:42

Q83Ia7ta wrote:
06 Nov 2020, 18:34
Would be great if any owner with previous monitor of vg259qm or vg279qm (IPS 280hz) will write their experience/feeling with 360hz model.
I have both. I personally can tell and feel a difference between the two. Before any numbers hit, you can search by date and I had mentioned a few times around here I could tell the difference on the VG259QM between OD and ULMB. I am hyper sensitive to motion, I don't get motion sick at all but watching a movie or something I see the frames pretty obnoxiously. Any sort of latency I can tell 100% (this is likely due to a few workflow reasons). There is probably some medical person that can explain but I don't seem to catch ghosting or blur at the level these are getting at like some. My guess is its likely my "gaze" when gaming or me zoning into the things around or something else is going on with the frames.

For me the differences no specific order,

No contest out of the box in color accuracy.

Higher refresh rate matters to me, may not for others. People can argue what they experience but at the end of the day you know what you know and each user would have to decide and let their biology determine what is going on.

I don't know what is what number wise but on CM105 VG259QM feels incredibly slow when it loses frames. If I'm playing a game and take a significant drop in FPS 0 chance I won't know. Its tough with that display. The PG259QN isn't in the same ballpark in this regard *to me*. If the numbers say other wise I will agree and scratch my head. I won't on the 280/360 refresh rate debate if that is a thing.

As wild as it sounds I believe I'd grab my Omen X 25F over the VG259QM for comp if the PG259QN went down. It feels consistent throughout the refresh rate. I'm taking the PG259QN over all period.

The VG259QM is easily the monitor I would recommend between the two, its an incredible value and performance. If you want the best of the 2 for me its not close, its the PG259QN. This will and should vary by individual. All of our eyes, brains, reaction times are different. I really only play competitive shooters and at times have a lot financially on the line so there is that. Try both if you can before you buy. I know its easier said than done.

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Re: Official Asus ROG Swift 360Hz PG259QN Owners Thread

Post by itsdannyv » 07 Nov 2020, 15:59

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06 Nov 2020, 14:03
I just received my PG259GN monitor and I feel that the digital vibrance isn't nearly up to par. Is this an issue? I have it turned all the way up in my NVIDIA control panel and it doesn't come close to the vibrance of the monitor I am replacing, the VG259Q, which is far more vivid. Here is my color calibration report:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kkO0SK ... sp=sharing

My Gray's are testing a Delta E of way over 2, close to 3, which seems pretty erratic.

Thanks for any help you can give me.
Anyone have any insight?

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Re: Official Asus ROG Swift 360Hz PG259QN Owners Thread

Post by speancer » 07 Nov 2020, 19:32

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01 Nov 2020, 11:59
Chillen wrote:
01 Nov 2020, 08:33
Is this problem because I am still on the GTX 970? Any information or suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
It is the 970. You might be able to get 360 Hz working at reduced blankings or slightly lower resolution via ToastyX CRU.

I think it's the pixel clock bandwidth budget. It was high enough to allow 300, but not 360. If you lower resolution and create a new mode by ToastyX, you might be able to test 360.

I would recommend a newer GPU, however.

For reliably capturing overdrive artifacts, you need a pursuit camera technique. Pan the camera at the same speed as the text. Or better yet, use www.testufo.com/ghosting .... We have a Pursuit Camera forum for pursuit camera newbies, including the iPhone instructions.
I assume it's a bad idea to buy 360 Hz monitor if one has GTX 900 series GPU or older then? I'm still on GTX 980Ti and I was wondering if that'd cause me trouble with PG259QN.
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Re: Official Asus ROG Swift 360Hz PG259QN Owners Thread

Post by Chief Blur Buster » 07 Nov 2020, 19:55

speancer wrote:
07 Nov 2020, 19:32
I assume it's a bad idea to buy 360 Hz monitor if one has GTX 900 series GPU or older then? I'm still on GTX 980Ti and I was wondering if that'd cause me trouble with PG259QN.
If you already have 144Hz+ or 240Hz+, get a RTX 3070 first. It's probably a better-priority upgrade.
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Re: Official Asus ROG Swift 360Hz PG259QN Owners Thread

Post by speancer » 07 Nov 2020, 20:08

Chief Blur Buster wrote:
07 Nov 2020, 19:55
speancer wrote:
07 Nov 2020, 19:32
I assume it's a bad idea to buy 360 Hz monitor if one has GTX 900 series GPU or older then? I'm still on GTX 980Ti and I was wondering if that'd cause me trouble with PG259QN.
If you already have 144Hz+ or 240Hz+, get a RTX 3070 first. It's probably a better-priority upgrade.
I don't think I need RTX 3070 :) My only competitive game is CS:GO and it's CPU hungry one, so I'd rather invest in a new platform first, and then add something like RTX 3060, but these are still quite distant plans. I don't think 360 Hz IPS in current price is worth the difference from 280 Hz IPS anyway (and it's too little difference in your recommended upgrades as well), and another problem you point out is mouse polling rate: there is no way I switch back to wired mice, so I will always prefer 1000 Hz high-end wireless over 8000 Hz wired (hopefully wireless mice will also get higher poll rates), which makes it a better idea to stick with 240/280 Hz for now, probably.

Anyway, I was rather hoping you'd shed some more light on why PG259QN wouldn't cooperate too well with GTX 900 series. Is it because of the older DisplayPort version? What about firmware update with newer DP support I mentioned?
Main display (TV/PC monitor): LG 42C21LA (4K 120 Hz OLED / WBE panel)
Tested displays: ASUS VG259QM/VG279QM [favourite LCD FPS display] (280 Hz IPS) • Zowie XL2546K/XL2540K/XL2546 (240 Hz TN DyAc) • Dell S3222DGM [favourite LCD display for the best blacks, contrast and panel uniformity] (165 Hz VA) • Dell Alienware AW2521HFLA (240 Hz IPS) • HP Omen X 25f (240 Hz TN) • MSI MAG251RX (240 Hz IPS) • Gigabyte M27Q (170 Hz IPS) • Acer Predator XB273X (240 Hz IPS G-SYNC) • Acer Predator XB271HU (165 Hz IPS G-SYNC) • Acer Nitro XV272UKV (170 Hz IPS) • Acer Nitro XV252QF (390 Hz IPS) • LG 27GN800 (144 Hz IPS) • LG 27GL850 (144 Hz nanoIPS) • LG 27GP850 (180 Hz nanoIPS) • Samsung Odyssey G7 (240 Hz VA)

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Re: Official Asus ROG Swift 360Hz PG259QN Owners Thread

Post by Chief Blur Buster » 08 Nov 2020, 02:38

speancer wrote:
07 Nov 2020, 20:08
Anyway, I was rather hoping you'd shed some more light on why PG259QN wouldn't cooperate too well with GTX 900 series. Is it because of the older DisplayPort version? What about firmware update with newer DP support I mentioned?
Yes, older DIsplayPort. DisplayPort is just a bandwidth budget. The bandwidth bitbucket doesn't allow enough pixels per second to fit 1920x1080x360x24bit pixels per second (and all of its porches/blanking interval data), so the refresh rate is capped at lower Hz. My understanding is you're limited to approximately 300Hz when using a 1080p resolution on the DisplayPort used by the GTX 900 series, so the VG259QM would fit the GTX 900 series.
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Re: Official Asus ROG Swift 360Hz PG259QN Owners Thread

Post by speancer » 08 Nov 2020, 03:23

Chief Blur Buster wrote:
08 Nov 2020, 02:38
speancer wrote:
07 Nov 2020, 20:08
Anyway, I was rather hoping you'd shed some more light on why PG259QN wouldn't cooperate too well with GTX 900 series. Is it because of the older DisplayPort version? What about firmware update with newer DP support I mentioned?
Yes, older DIsplayPort. DisplayPort is just a bandwidth budget. The bandwidth bitbucket doesn't allow enough pixels per second to fit 1920x1080x360x24bit pixels per second (and all of its porches/blanking interval data), so the refresh rate is capped at lower Hz. My understanding is you're limited to approximately 300Hz when using a 1080p resolution on the DisplayPort used by the GTX 900 series, so the VG259QM would fit the GTX 900 series.
I see, thanks. Yeah, no issues with 280 Hz on my GTX 980Ti, good to know it's about my current max Hz, so I'll just delete PG259QN from my to-test list, since I don't plan on upgrading my PC anytime soon.
Main display (TV/PC monitor): LG 42C21LA (4K 120 Hz OLED / WBE panel)
Tested displays: ASUS VG259QM/VG279QM [favourite LCD FPS display] (280 Hz IPS) • Zowie XL2546K/XL2540K/XL2546 (240 Hz TN DyAc) • Dell S3222DGM [favourite LCD display for the best blacks, contrast and panel uniformity] (165 Hz VA) • Dell Alienware AW2521HFLA (240 Hz IPS) • HP Omen X 25f (240 Hz TN) • MSI MAG251RX (240 Hz IPS) • Gigabyte M27Q (170 Hz IPS) • Acer Predator XB273X (240 Hz IPS G-SYNC) • Acer Predator XB271HU (165 Hz IPS G-SYNC) • Acer Nitro XV272UKV (170 Hz IPS) • Acer Nitro XV252QF (390 Hz IPS) • LG 27GN800 (144 Hz IPS) • LG 27GL850 (144 Hz nanoIPS) • LG 27GP850 (180 Hz nanoIPS) • Samsung Odyssey G7 (240 Hz VA)

OS: Windows 11 Pro GPU: Palit GeForce RTX 4090 GameRock OC CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D + be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 + Arctic MX-6 RAM: 32GB (2x16GB dual channel) DDR5 Kingston Fury Beast Black 6000 MHz CL30 (fully optimized primary and secondary timings by Buildzoid for SK Hynix die on AM5 platform) PSU: Corsair RM1200x SHIFT 1200W (ATX 3.0, PCIe 5.0 12VHPWR 600W) SSD1: Kingston KC3000 1TB NVMe PCIe 4.0 x4 SSD2: Corsair Force MP510 960GB PCIe 3.0 x4 MB: ASUS ROG STRIX X670E-A GAMING WIFI (GPU PCIe 5.0 x16, NVMe PCIe 5.0 x4) CASE: be quiet! Silent Base 802 Window White CASE FANS: be quiet! Silent Wings 4 140mm PWM (3x front, 1x rear, 1x top rear, positive pressure) MOUSE: Logitech G PRO X Superlight (white) Lightspeed wireless MOUSEPAD: ARTISAN FX HIEN (wine red, soft, XL) KEYBOARD: Logitech G915 TKL (white, GL Tactile) Lightspeed wireless HEADPHONES: Sennheiser Momentum 4 Wireless (white) 24-bit 96 KHz + Sennheiser BTD600 Bluetooth 5.2 aptX Adaptive CHAIR: Herman Miller Aeron (graphite, fully loaded, size C)

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Re: Official Asus ROG Swift 360Hz PG259QN Owners Thread

Post by ike49 » 08 Nov 2020, 11:00

izy wrote:
07 Nov 2020, 07:38
andrelip wrote:
06 Nov 2020, 13:16

They didn't release that yet. All 4 monitors with the Reflex Latency Analyzer were promised for November and none of them have a precise date yet. It's clear that this some kind of NDA from NVIDIA, which kind of sucks.

Nvidia teases incredible products in their presentation, and unfortunately, many weeks later, we still unable to get your hand into it. It's frustrating. RTX 3080 out of stock and the 360Hz reflex monitors didn't even have a release date.

Actually Alienware AW2521H is now available to buy on US Dell store for $900.
https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/accesso ... d/210-AYCB
Hi Guys, im new to those forums. I have been trying to purchase the PG259qn for a while, but thanks to the scalpers, am not able to get one (go to ebay and see how many are for sale for 1200 USD +), so i went ahead and straight away ordered the Alienware AW2521H 360hz, since i saw Izy's post. The bonus is it has the nvidia reflex analyzer. However i have been trying to find any reviews on it and cant find any. Do you think it will be as good as the asus? or maybe even better?

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Re: Official Asus ROG Swift 360Hz PG259QN Owners Thread

Post by Stevie66 » 08 Nov 2020, 13:26

ike49 wrote:
08 Nov 2020, 11:00
izy wrote:
07 Nov 2020, 07:38
andrelip wrote:
06 Nov 2020, 13:16

They didn't release that yet. All 4 monitors with the Reflex Latency Analyzer were promised for November and none of them have a precise date yet. It's clear that this some kind of NDA from NVIDIA, which kind of sucks.

Nvidia teases incredible products in their presentation, and unfortunately, many weeks later, we still unable to get your hand into it. It's frustrating. RTX 3080 out of stock and the 360Hz reflex monitors didn't even have a release date.

Actually Alienware AW2521H is now available to buy on US Dell store for $900.
https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/accesso ... d/210-AYCB
Hi Guys, im new to those forums. I have been trying to purchase the PG259qn for a while, but thanks to the scalpers, am not able to get one (go to ebay and see how many are for sale for 1200 USD +), so i went ahead and straight away ordered the Alienware AW2521H 360hz, since i saw Izy's post. The bonus is it has the nvidia reflex analyzer. However i have been trying to find any reviews on it and cant find any. Do you think it will be as good as the asus? or maybe even better?
No one knows until real reviews come out that test it then you can compare to the Asus reviews.

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Re: Official Asus ROG Swift 360Hz PG259QN Owners Thread

Post by andrelip » 09 Nov 2020, 10:11

speancer wrote:
07 Nov 2020, 20:08
Chief Blur Buster wrote:
07 Nov 2020, 19:55
speancer wrote:
07 Nov 2020, 19:32
I assume it's a bad idea to buy 360 Hz monitor if one has GTX 900 series GPU or older then? I'm still on GTX 980Ti and I was wondering if that'd cause me trouble with PG259QN.
If you already have 144Hz+ or 240Hz+, get a RTX 3070 first. It's probably a better-priority upgrade.
I don't think I need RTX 3070 :) My only competitive game is CS:GO and it's CPU hungry one, so I'd rather invest in a new platform first, and then add something like RTX 3060, but these are still quite distant plans. I don't think 360 Hz IPS in current price is worth the difference from 280 Hz IPS anyway (and it's too little difference in your recommended upgrades as well), and another problem you point out is mouse polling rate: there is no way I switch back to wired mice, so I will always prefer 1000 Hz high-end wireless over 8000 Hz wired (hopefully wireless mice will also get higher poll rates), which makes it a better idea to stick with 240/280 Hz for now, probably.

Anyway, I was rather hoping you'd shed some more light on why PG259QN wouldn't cooperate too well with GTX 900 series. Is it because of the older DisplayPort version? What about firmware update with newer DP support I mentioned?
The latency at the bare minimum for each frame is CPU time + GPU time. If your game is bottlenecked by CPU, it will limit the maximum FPS, but advances in the GPU time will optimize each frame's latency. Depending on your previous GFX and graphics settings, it could be very noticeable. Do a test yourself, put your resolution at 1440x1080 high (without v-sync and blur), and then change to 640 low, and you see a great amount of latency reduction even if the fps stay exactly the same. One test using the latency analyzer of PG259QNR reported a latency drop from 27ms to 12ms in CSGO after switching the 1080ti to 3080. I don't know the resolution that they tested it, but could not be more than 1080p that is the monitor limit. The 1080ti is not the bottleneck at all at this resolution and we still have a good improvement by upgrading the GFX.

The FPS stays the same because the CPU starts to render at the same time GPU is finishing the actual one, so as long as the CPU is faster than the GPU it will have the same FPS. But the frame that is presented to the user has to wait for the GPU to finish, so it matters a lot even if the flip queue does not fill an entire frame.

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