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Re: BenQ Zowie XL2546K 240hz TN

Post by axaro1 » 04 Nov 2020, 16:06

Conan wrote:
04 Nov 2020, 15:54
i pulled the trigger. i ordered from amazon.de today.
hype is real.
What monitor are you currently using?
XL2546K 1080p 240hz TN (MAIN) | VG259QM 1080p 280hz IPS | XG2402 1080p 144hz TN | LS24F350 1080p 72hz LPS

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Re: BenQ Zowie XL2546K 240hz TN

Post by Conan » 04 Nov 2020, 16:10

axaro1 wrote:
04 Nov 2020, 16:06


What monitor are you currently using?
benq XL2430T

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Re: BenQ Zowie XL2546K 240hz TN

Post by axaro1 » 05 Nov 2020, 03:44

I'm just ordered the XL2546K, shout out to Camelcamelcamel for notifying me when the Amazon price dropped (-92€ :D ), unfortunately I'll have to wait for it to be restocked but I couldn't decline such a low price.

I can't wait to test it! I've been using a 2010's PLS Samsung panel (rated for 60hz overclocked to 75hz) for a week and it was not as bad as I remembered it to be in terms of input lag, motion clarity is bad but not terrible, if you actually set it to the faster overdrive there's noticeable overshoot but it massively improves motion clarity.
XL2546K 1080p 240hz TN (MAIN) | VG259QM 1080p 280hz IPS | XG2402 1080p 144hz TN | LS24F350 1080p 72hz LPS

R5 3600 4.35ghz 1.237V AVX stable | 3600mhz Hynix C-Die [CJR]https://i.imgur.com/R5Rm34i.png | 5700XT Gaming OC 2059mhz 1121mv[/color]

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Re: BenQ Zowie XL2546K 240hz TN

Post by Stevie66 » 05 Nov 2020, 17:10

How is the K compared to the S not using DyAc? from the images it looks like there's a lot of coronas with the K and AMA off looks pretty fuzzy? worse than the current 240hz IPS monitors...

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Re: BenQ Zowie XL2546K 240hz TN

Post by Conan » 06 Nov 2020, 01:59

Stevie66 wrote:
05 Nov 2020, 17:10
How is the K compared to the S not using DyAc? from the images it looks like there's a lot of coronas with the K and AMA off looks pretty fuzzy? worse than the current 240hz IPS monitors...
what images? source?

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Re: BenQ Zowie XL2546K 240hz TN

Post by Stevie66 » 06 Nov 2020, 07:40

Conan wrote:
06 Nov 2020, 01:59
Stevie66 wrote:
05 Nov 2020, 17:10
How is the K compared to the S not using DyAc? from the images it looks like there's a lot of coronas with the K and AMA off looks pretty fuzzy? worse than the current 240hz IPS monitors...
what images? source?
The images and review one page back, AMA off looks like the only playable one and also looks pretty blurry at least from that image, don't remember the S model looking that bad with AMA on and high

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Re: BenQ Zowie XL2546K 240hz TN

Post by axaro1 » 06 Nov 2020, 07:52

Stevie66 wrote:
05 Nov 2020, 17:10
How is the K compared to the S not using DyAc? from the images it looks like there's a lot of coronas with the K and AMA off looks pretty fuzzy? worse than the current 240hz IPS monitors...
axaro1 wrote:
29 Oct 2020, 11:21
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I'd say the ufotests looks similar.
If you want to compare with the VG259QM, the AW2521hf and the XB253:
https://www.bijanjamshidi.com/asus-tuf-gaming-vg259qm
https://www.bijanjamshidi.com/alienware-aw2521hfl
https://www.bijanjamshidi.com/acer-pred ... 3q-240hz-1

I don't want to criticize this guy since he's the only one making 240hz reviews with actual Ufotests but I've seen better motion pursuit images.
That being said this is the only reviewer who reviewed basically all the 240hz IPS and some TNs so at least we are using the same recording method.
XL2546K 1080p 240hz TN (MAIN) | VG259QM 1080p 280hz IPS | XG2402 1080p 144hz TN | LS24F350 1080p 72hz LPS

R5 3600 4.35ghz 1.237V AVX stable | 3600mhz Hynix C-Die [CJR]https://i.imgur.com/R5Rm34i.png | 5700XT Gaming OC 2059mhz 1121mv[/color]

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Re: BenQ Zowie XL2546K 240hz TN

Post by Conan » 06 Nov 2020, 08:45

But using TN over IPS gets you that overall feeling of snappier feeling.
Besides, why would anyone use 2546K without dyac...and with dyac the monitor is just bonkersly better than the rest in terms of ufo test in particular.

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Re: BenQ Zowie XL2546K 240hz TN

Post by alapsu » 06 Nov 2020, 09:12

Conan wrote:
06 Nov 2020, 08:45
But using TN over IPS gets you that overall feeling of snappier feeling.
Besides, why would anyone use 2546K without dyac...and with dyac the monitor is just bonkersly better than the rest in terms of ufo test in particular.
I have the non-K XL2546 and the only reason I use it without DyAc enabled is BenQ's arbitrary restriction on the monitor's minimum strobing hz. Their monitors can't do single strobing at <100 Hz, so if I'm trying to play a newer game that can't consistently hit at least 100 FPS, it's nicer to play with strobing turned off.

Also, with some games (notably, the Halo: The Master Chief Collection PC port), some motion is locked to a certain framerate that's lower than your overall framerate. An example can be found in MCC's Halo: CE: if you watch the opening cutscene with strobing turned on, you'll notice the character animations (which I believe are locked to either 30 or 60 fps) stutter to the point of unwatchability while the rest of the world (including camera motion) looks nice and smooth.

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Re: BenQ Zowie XL2546K 240hz TN

Post by axaro1 » 06 Nov 2020, 10:19

Conan wrote:
06 Nov 2020, 08:45
Besides, why would anyone use 2546K without dyac.
If this korean review is correct then in terms of G2G this panel is the fastest LCD available in the market, with a minimum G2G of 1ms and a maximum of 1.5ms, the small variance between the lowest and the highest G2G can be a good indicator of the lack of asymmetrical blur, which can improve perceived motion clarity.

I put it alongside with the S variant reviewed by the same reviewer with the same testing methodology

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The chief said that:
I've seen GtG improve by >50% on the same panel with simple tuning stuff before. It depends on how bad it was before, and how much headroom to improve there is. Improved TCON/scalers might also be used even if the panel is identical; and the TCON might have cleaner LCD-driving voltages that work GtG slightly better. Overdrive lookup tables may be re-tuned for better GtG with less overshoot.
Next Tuesday I will put it side by side with my VG259QM to get a better idea of how good it is, I've been using OD120 at 240hz and OD80 at 280hz on the Asus so I'm perfectly fine with a little bit of overshoot if it means that there is an improvement in motion clarity.

I've been asking a lot of pros on twitch.tv owning Benq models if any of them where using Dyac and basically 30% of them were using it in games like CSGO and Valorant, fewer were using it in R6s and only 1 guy out of 18 was using it in Overwatch which is the main game that I play.

Dyac or not this panel is fast, judging by the crosstalk images provided by detto_o and comparing them with the S model I think that the better panel tuning actually improved the crosstalk at 240hz and from what I can see it's 100% viable at 240hz so I'd love to try it.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was possible to raise the 181hz trick cap to 200hz for crosstalkless strobing.
XL2546K 1080p 240hz TN (MAIN) | VG259QM 1080p 280hz IPS | XG2402 1080p 144hz TN | LS24F350 1080p 72hz LPS

R5 3600 4.35ghz 1.237V AVX stable | 3600mhz Hynix C-Die [CJR]https://i.imgur.com/R5Rm34i.png | 5700XT Gaming OC 2059mhz 1121mv[/color]

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