BenQ Zowie XL2546K 240hz TN

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Re: BenQ Zowie XL2546K 240hz TN

Post by Falkentyne » 07 Dec 2020, 00:37

AddictFPS wrote:
02 Dec 2020, 17:47
I wonder what DyAc+ single strobe range has XL2546K, can't understand why is not in oficial specs. Is like know the VRR range, both is a must be.

XL2746S has max 240 min 100 (or maybe a bit less than 100, seems nobody has tested the exact limit, but at 60 is double strobing, unbearable "double image"). I wonder if this lower limit is removed in this new model, in order to play 60FPS locked games without motion blur, no matter flicker, is assumed like in old CRT monitors.

Is interesting know the exact frequency where DyAc+ start apply double strobing, both DisplayPort and HDMI, to know the frequency limit to make custom resol. for DyAc+ , thx !
Try to make a custom resolution for 60hz.
Instead of the default, try to increase the horizontal total and vertical total.
For example, try HT: 2080, VT: 1502 at 60hz. See if the monitor single strobes or not.

If that doesn't work, try HT: 2816, VT: 1350 / VT: 1500 / VT: 1502, if you can get a signal.
Trying to see if you can 'trick' the monitor's double strobe cutoff range.

BTW on the old XL2420Z / XL2720Z, the double /single strobe cutoff range was 96hz, IIRC (if the SS override option was off).

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Re: BenQ Zowie XL2546K 240hz TN

Post by Inco^ » 07 Dec 2020, 07:05

Boomchakadah wrote:
06 Dec 2020, 13:26
Inco^ wrote:
05 Dec 2020, 19:23
I just got the PG259QN and my game experience is noticeably enhanced compared to with the XL2546K. The higher refresh rate really makes a difference. My first gaming session with this monitor was really a pleasure. The game I play handles 360+ FPS in most cases, I enable G-Sync, vSync=Fast, FPS cap below 360.
how does it perform at 240Hz in terms of motion clarity compared to the XL2546K.(with DyAc ON & OFF)?
I am not sure what is exactly/commonly intended/meant by "motion clarity".
Compared to my previous Lenovo 1440p 240Hz monitor, the XL2546K gives a smoother and snappier experience. The motion clarity, the faculty to apprehend the ennemies their trajectory, is improved. Consequently, I guess we can say that motion clarity is better. This can be said both with and without DyAc+. The DyAc+ has a visible effect and I can detect whether it is ON or OFF if I look at a stationnary background while moving/panning my crosshair. But during action and a gun fight, I don't notice much difference between DyAc+ ON/OFF. Compared to my previous Lenovo 1440p 240Hz monitor, the XL2546K gives better motion clarity, but not thanks to DyAc+.
With the PG259QN 360fps@360Hz, motion clarity is improved compared to XL2546K, because it is easier to understand the environment and the ennemies their trajectory.
Now, with the PG259QN 250fps@240Hz with ULMB with fastest pulse (with which brightness is low), the motion clarity is less than PG259QN 360fps@360Hz, and I can reasonably say that is similar to my experience with XL2546K. But again, I am not very sensitive to the improvements given by DyAc+, which means I am probably not able to tell if PG259QN's ULMB is as good as XL2546K's DyAc+. Because for me, strobing does not seem to be a preponderant parameter for my gaming experience. I've heard many csgo esports players don't turn on DyAc.
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Re: BenQ Zowie XL2546K 240hz TN

Post by axaro1 » 08 Dec 2020, 11:35

XL2566K* | XV252QF* | LG C1* | HP OMEN X 25 | XL2546K | VG259QM | XG2402 | LS24F350[RIP]
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Re: BenQ Zowie XL2546K 240hz TN

Post by Ogmilkman » 08 Dec 2020, 12:08

It seems like the VG259QM only really falters in respect to its 2.5ms lower total dark response time (1.4ms at OD120). I wonder how much this difference can be seen in practice in a game like CSGO/Valorant.

Is the lower dark response time correlated to the lower contrast?

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Re: BenQ Zowie XL2546K 240hz TN

Post by axaro1 » 08 Dec 2020, 14:14

Ogmilkman wrote:
08 Dec 2020, 12:08
It seems like the VG259QM only really falters in respect to its 2.5ms lower total dark response time (1.4ms at OD120). I wonder how much this difference can be seen in practice in a game like CSGO/Valorant.
With AMA High it performs basically like the VG259QM with OD80 but it's slightly faster and with less overshoot.
It's fun to see that RTings is actually considering OFF the best OD and even using it as a baseline for their black frame insertion test when AMA High and Premium create absolutely no crosstalk, the difference in crosstalk between off and High or even premium is massive (I can make an ufotest to compare the two modes if some of you guys are interested)

I'm getting very good results with their icm profile, RGB settings and contrast.

Input lag with and without BFI is in line with other IPS.
Ogmilkman wrote:
08 Dec 2020, 12:08
Is the lower dark response time correlated to the lower contrast?
I don't think so.
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Re: BenQ Zowie XL2546K 240hz TN

Post by Ogmilkman » 08 Dec 2020, 14:33

On their monitor it looks like the total response times on AMA High are still around what's expected on the VG259QM 120 while the 10-90% rise/fall times are definitely a bit lower. For whatever reason the total dark response time went up from 5.7ms to 6.5ms Off to High.

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Re: BenQ Zowie XL2546K 240hz TN

Post by TwentyFoe » 08 Dec 2020, 14:54

axaro1 wrote:
08 Dec 2020, 14:14
It's fun to see that RTings is actually considering OFF the best OD and even using it as a baseline for their black frame insertion test when AMA High and Premium create absolutely no crosstalk, the difference in crosstalk between off and High or even premium is massive (I can make an ufotest to compare the two modes if some of you guys are interested)
How do you explain that? I'm very confused (based on your experience, as I don't own it yet).
axaro1 wrote:
08 Dec 2020, 14:14
I'm getting very good results with their icm profile, RGB settings and contrast.
Also, what do you mean when you say that you're getting "very good results"? Where are you testing your results against? Because seeing how the colors vary from one monitor to the other, I figured that I will have no other choice but to get a calibrator (which sucks).

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Re: BenQ Zowie XL2546K 240hz TN

Post by axaro1 » 08 Dec 2020, 16:13

TwentyFoe wrote:
08 Dec 2020, 14:54
How do you explain that? I'm very confused (based on your experience, as I don't own it yet).
RTings consider any amount of overshoot as unusable, a good example is OD120 on the VG259QM which produces a very low amount of overshoot while noticeably increasing motion clarity, they state "we don't recommend it, as there's too much overshoot.", mind you we are talking about barely 8.6% overshoot on the Asus which would be sub 4% if it wasn't for a single transition.
TwentyFoe wrote:
08 Dec 2020, 14:54
Also, what do you mean when you say that you're getting "very good results"? Where are you testing your results against? Because seeing how the colors vary from one monitor to the other, I figured that I will have no other choice but to get a calibrator (which sucks).
The colors out of the box,red/magenta shades especially, are very far from the target.
I don't have a colorimeter but it did improve the colors compared to the icm profile in the XL2546K drivers, using an icm profile without manually calibrating it yourself is still better than not using nothing at all (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IHsHZx-Bb8).
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Re: BenQ Zowie XL2546K 240hz TN

Post by TwentyFoe » 08 Dec 2020, 17:05

axaro1 wrote:
08 Dec 2020, 16:13
RTings consider any amount of overshoot as unusable, a good example is OD120 on the VG259QM which produces a very low amount of overshoot while noticeably increasing motion clarity, they state "we don't recommend it, as there's too much overshoot.", mind you we are talking about barely 8.6% overshoot on the Asus which would be sub 4% if it wasn't for a single transition.
Oh, I now see that they still provide charts, tables and motion blur photos for different overdrive settings, and I agree that both the High and the Premium settings produce a better "RTINGS" logo... That only makes me even more confused, because I honestly believe that it objectively looks better, but maybe that screenshot alone does not provide the whole picture (no pun intended), and in actual chaotic gaming (with lots of objects on the screen), they deem it to be less clear (again, despite the fact that the photo itself suggests otherwise)? Again, very confusing, and I have no means of telling.
axaro1 wrote:
08 Dec 2020, 16:13
using an icm profile without manually calibrating it yourself is still better than not using nothing at all (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IHsHZx-Bb8).
Oh, definitely. I also use one in the meanwhile. I will check the video, though, as I wasn't familiar with it, so thanks regardless!

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Also, I checked reddit because I assumed that they would also have a dedicated thread to the review, and the only response was by that clown I went back and forth with (I'm xzotc). Would be very nice if you guys would drop by and share your 2cents, as you can attest from first hand experience (unlike me, as I mentioned there).

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Re: BenQ Zowie XL2546K 240hz TN

Post by johny_ro » 08 Dec 2020, 17:14

axaro1 wrote:
08 Dec 2020, 14:14
Ogmilkman wrote:
08 Dec 2020, 12:08
It seems like the VG259QM only really falters in respect to its 2.5ms lower total dark response time (1.4ms at OD120). I wonder how much this difference can be seen in practice in a game like CSGO/Valorant.
With AMA High it performs basically like the VG259QM with OD80 but it's slightly faster and with less overshoot.
It's fun to see that RTings is actually considering OFF the best OD and even using it as a baseline for their black frame insertion test when AMA High and Premium create absolutely no crosstalk, the difference in crosstalk between off and High or even premium is massive (I can make an ufotest to compare the two modes if some of you guys are interested)

I'm getting very good results with their icm profile, RGB settings and contrast.

Input lag with and without BFI is in line with other IPS.
Ogmilkman wrote:
08 Dec 2020, 12:08
Is the lower dark response time correlated to the lower contrast?
I don't think so.
Would you give slighly edge for XL2546K then VG259QM when it comes to fast pace competive shooters (like Valorant and CS:GO) in terms of motion and responsiveness?

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